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siberian khatru 06-04-2016 02:13 PM

I wouldn't part with the money or the prospects it would take to get Shields.

Prison Bitch 06-04-2016 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 12260078)
We'll see. A few of my ChiSox friends are going apeshit because it's rumored they'll be sending over one of their top two prospects in exchange. Sox might be going for WS or bust with this one but Shields likely won't cover the very real holes on that roster.

His numbers since 2015 have been much more Jeremy Guthrie than 13-14 Shields.

Uh.....Jeremy Guthrie??? Shields went 13-7 last year with a 3.91 ERA and 216k. Not sure I'd use Batting Practice Guthrie as the right comp.


He's had 1 terrible start this year. It happens. His first 10 starts he had a 3.05 ERA.

Chiefspants 06-04-2016 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12260127)
Uh.....Jeremy Guthrie??? Shields went 13-7 last year with a 3.91 ERA and 216k. Not sure I'd use Batting Practice Guthrie as the right comp.


He's had 1 terrible start this year. It happens. His first 10 starts he had a 3.05 ERA.

Jeremy Guthrie's 2014 FIP: 4.32
James Shields's 2015 FIP: 4.45

KChiefs1 06-04-2016 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12260091)
@JonHeyman: Padres, chisox have agreed on the principals of shields deal, with only details to go



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suzzer99 06-04-2016 03:20 PM

When is Vargas coming back?

KChiefs1 06-04-2016 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12260149)


Source: #Padres sending #WhiteSox more than $30M in Shields trade.





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suzzer99 06-04-2016 03:24 PM

This says $27M.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">White Sox will pay $27 million of James Shields&#39; remaining $58 million contract. $5 M in &#39;16, $10 M in &#39;17 and &#39;18 if he doesn&#39;t opt out.</p>&mdash; Colleen Kane (@ChiTribKane) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiTribKane/status/739203965733085188">June 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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As much as it sucks being in a small market, it sure has saved us from doling out some terrible contracts over the years - Omar notwithstanding. Seems like the teams that really get hosed are the wannabe-rich teams like the Padres. There's NY/Bos and the two LA teams, then a second tier of wannabes like SD, Detroit and Philly who are getting destroyed by contracts right now.

Chiefspants 06-04-2016 03:26 PM

Man, not a bad deal for the Sox at all. I'm still not convinced that Shields is any more than JGuts type innings eater at this point, but he'll still round out their rotation & provide BP relief for a very reasonable price.

P.S. - S/O to the Padres owner for gutting Shields' value this week and to Preller for demonstrating his typical incompetence.

KChiefs1 06-04-2016 03:27 PM

New @whitesox pitcher #JamesShields 4-1 with a 3.00 ERA in 8 starts @ @USCellularField



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C3HIEF3S 06-04-2016 03:32 PM

Possible Duffy vs Shields match-up next weekend.

Why Not? 06-04-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 12260170)
Possible Duffy vs Shields match-up next weekend.


I always like Shields for his part in the turn around. That said, I hope we go Mariners on him.

big nasty kcnut 06-04-2016 04:09 PM

No I hope we embarrassed him like bartolo colon hitting a home run off of him.

nychief 06-04-2016 04:12 PM

Shields has been below average in the NL.

duncan_idaho 06-04-2016 04:32 PM

Man. AJ Preller is ****inb awful.

They must be in love with Tatis, because Johnson is garbage.

At this point, KC should shift focus and see what they can get Pomeranz for. Preller apparently is in sell-low mode.

That's the type of return I would have expected if San Diego didn't eat any cash at all.

Tatis is OK, but he was like No 25-30 in most international prospect rankings last year and is a LONG ways away.

Shit, at this rate, KC could probably get Kemp and Pomeranz for Bonifacio and not much else.


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KChiefs1 06-04-2016 04:55 PM

*** Official 2016 Royals Repository, Version 1 ***
 
A week after talks between the Padres and White Sox regarding James Shields began gaining “significant momentum,” the two sides have officially reached a deal. The veteran right-hander and cash (reportedly $31MM of the remaining $58MM on his contract) will head to Chicago in exchange for fellow righty Erik Johnson and shortstop prospect Fernando Tatis Jr., Padres general manager A.J. Preller announced.

Since beginning the season with a red-hot 19-8 mark, the White Sox have fallen to 29-26 and have dropped to third place in the AL Central, though they’re only 1 1/2 games behind the first-place Royals. While their starters entered Saturday with the majors’ eighth-lowest ERA (3.61) and seventh-best fWAR (5.7), their pre-Shields rotation was a top-heavy group. Aside from superstar Chris Sale and the underrated Jose Quintana, who has posted ace-like numbers this year, the White Sox haven’t gotten overly impressive production from any of their other starters.

With Shields aboard, the expectation is that either Mat Latos or Miguel Gonzalez will lose his spot in the rotation. Regardless of whether the White Sox demote Latos or Gonzalez, their top four will likely consist of Sale, Quintana, Shields and Carlos Rodon as long as all four are healthy. Whether Shields will stay in that top four beyond 2016 is up in the air, though, as he could opt out of the final two years of his contract at season’s end. That would mean leaving $42MM on the table, however.


Shields, 34, isn’t the pitcher he was during his best years with the Rays and Royals, but he remains a competent innings eater who’s on pace to exceed the 200-inning plateau and surpass the 30-start barrier for the 11th straight season. That aside, Shields does come with red flags. After a dreadful final start with the Padres, Shields’ ERA (4.28) is at its highest since 2010. Further, his strikeout rate – which spiked to a personal-best 9.61 per nine innings last year – has regressed to 7.62 (closer to his 7.84 career average) and the control that he displayed in his earlier days has declined. Shields’ walk rate is at 3.61 per nine innings, which is in line with last year’s 3.6, and his velocity has dipped. To Shields’ credit, he has long been a capable ground-ball generator – at 48 percent this year, there’s no sign he’s slowing down in that area. That should help his cause as he shifts to the hitter-friendly confines of U.S. Cellular Field, but he does have the third-highest home run rate among qualified starters since last season (16.9 percent).

For the Padres, this is undoubtedly a disappointing ending to a short-lived experiment. Shields joined the Friars on a lucrative long-term deal as a free agent in 2015, at which point the club gave up the 13th overall pick in that June’s draft to sign him. With Shields in the fold, the Padres had designs on competing for a playoff spot. They instead finished a disappointing 74-88, though, and have begun this season 22-34. San Diego is now rebuilding, so keeping Shields around wouldn’t have made sense.

The 26-year-old Johnson, who’s the more established player the Padres got for Shields, could figure into their rotation at some point. Johnson has posted a 4.50 ERA, 7.1 K/9 and 4.5 BB/9 across 98 major league innings. In a 523 2/3-frame minor league sample size, Johnson’s strikeout rate (7.8) hasn’t looked much different, though he has walked fewer batters (3.1) while working to a terrific 3.23 ERA.

Tatis, meanwhile, signed with the White Sox for $700K as a 16-year-old last summer. The Dominican native is the son of former big leaguer Fernando Tatis, and Ben Badler of Baseball America wrote at the time of his signing that the 6-foot-1, 175-pounder pairs power potential on offense with a good arm on defense. Tatis, therefore, could potentially serve as a third baseman or outfielder in the majors.

Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported May 28 that the two teams were discussing a Shields trade, and he confirmed the return for the Padres today. Bob Nightengale of USA Today noted earlier today that a deal was close. FanRag Sports Jon Heyman then reported that the framework of a deal was agreed upon. Dan Hayes of CSN Chicago had Johnson going to San Diego. Chris Cotillo of SB Nation reported that the trade was done. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported the amount of money the White Sox will receive in the trade.

So the White Sox are effectively getting Shields on a 3-year, $27m deal. For the innings Shields consistently generates, that's good value.

Ventura said Shields expected to join club Tues or Weds.

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