Even if you think the safety was a dumb move on genos part, it's one play in an entire 3 year college career. You move on.

You don't look at 2 or 3 plays/games and decide not to draft the guy. That would be like looking at Andy Reid's last 2 coaching seasons and deciding against the hire.

It's all a moot point. Fixing this is what coaches DO. And we finally have one (at least) who can and will. Not worried.

He stepped back AND THEN tried to run left.

His center/guard are stonewalling the shit out of the DT. His RT/RG are stone walling the DE. His LT is handling the other DE for the most part. He has room to step up and move to the left or right.

http://i.imgur.com/q7okz.jpg

I'm not worried either. But I'm not going to lie to myself and pretend that his bad plays are good.

IMO, the biggest thing he needs to be coached on is, when to just take the short stuff and not always try and push it down the field. I like that he tries, but it's not always needed.

Every QB has bad plays. Every QB throws INTs. Every QB has bad games.

Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, etc...

All of them do.

Its just mind boggling that idiots on here are completely against taking a QB with amazing potential because of one average game in the snow. A game in which he didn't even throw an INT.

If they're using that logic, then NO QB would be good enough for them. I just dont get it.

Those people don't watch games, they read stupid online mocks and take the word of kiper, mayock, and mcshay like the word of god.

The only legit knocks I've ever seen, are that he holds onto the ball, and that he "doesn't have to read defenses". Whatever.

Nick Foles ran the Air Raid offense in college too. Look what Reid was able to do with him...

In fact Foles' big knocks were much the same as Geno, add decision making and much more. Foles wasn't a quarter the QB Geno is...

Plus, Foles is a ****ing reerun. He doesn't have a fraction of the intelligence and work ethic that Geno Smith has.

PLus, I heard Foles has a small penis.

I wondered why you were looking so hard at his feet
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LMAO

The guy had a shitty game against Syracuse a team that he lost 3 times prior to the pinstripe bowl and apparently studied filmed tireless in preparation to beat .

And?

How many times on a row in the playoffs did the pats beat the Manning led colts?

I bet Manning watched the hell out of film before every game.

It happens to the best of them, sometimes a team just has your number
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Ok...what's your ****ing point?

This is what I'm talking about.

WHAT IS YOUR ****ING POINT?

How does that mean he won't be a good QB in the NFL?

How does that erase everything else he's done?

Does that mean his arm strength, accuracy, quick release, pocket presence & poise, and football IQ don't mean shit and won't translate to the NFL somehow?

PLEASE TELL ME HOW THAT MATTERS!

Yep the Patriots owned Manning. Which apparently means he sucks according to idiots on CP.

lol, Just wait til Mayok has him at the top of the boards, then every ones mocks will change, happens every year. Mayok is pretty much the only draft "expert" on websites that anyone should even pay attention too.


Reid will make the right choice. He knows this team needs a qb bad and he's in a position to draft the qb he wants.

Almost every great qb has had that team that just has their number consistently for a while
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Actually Smith was at the top of all mocks updated in the last three Weeks, then we hired Reid and some changed to Jekyll, hell one had us taking bjork...
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Because it shows that he can't make the necessary adjustments needed. You study all summer and play the same defense twice, but yet they still get the best of you and have no clue how to do anything against them.

If this was another prospect, like Barkley, he would be getting destroyed for this.

Geno's "incredible" football IQ is not as good as this board makes it seem.

My ****ing point is this was a big game, and he knew that. Geno ****ed up, and fell on his face against an opponent that he has history with. That was a big reason why he was pissed off on the sidelines.

Guys stop acting like he's QB jesus, he has flaws when someone points them out don't shit your pants like your two years old.

We all want that badass QB prospect and all have warts but don't get pigeonholed on one prospect.

Do you get pissed in this thread when people talk him up? Cause you defend him in some threads, then come in here and bash him.

I guess Peyton Manning can't make the necessary adjustments either then.

Same with other great QBs who struggle against certain teams/defenses...

But let's just ignore that.

Sometimes teams just figure out your scheme. It happens.


He didn't have a good game, but I'm not sure why that means this game is held higher than any other game. Yeah, it was a bowl game, but to say it was the most important game of his life is a little silly.

Look at his bowl game last year, in BCS game.

Just being honest. I praise him for what he's good at, but I'm not making excuses for his struggles like other people.

He has legit concerns just like every other QB in this draft.

Every QB has had bad games in big games and ****ed it up.

EVERY QB.

Brady has failed in two straight Super Bowls.

Again, what is your point?

Does this mean he won't succeed in the NFL?

Does this one "big" Pinstripe Bowl game mean he won't be a good NFL QB?

If so, how?

And no one is saying he's QB Jesus. Once again, your argument is that he didn't play well against a team/defense he's struggled with a few times but you're not explaining how that means anything going into the NFL.

Because it doesn't mean anything.

Nope. That game doesn't matter.

The only games that matter are the Pinstripe Bowl and the games during West Virginia's 5 game losing streak/CP idiots

Or we could ignore him showing the same struggles against KSU, Texas Tech and flashes of other games.

Nobody is doing that.

Again. Geno is NOT perfect, but he's not even a rookie yet. He will grow, especially with competent coaching WHICH WE NOW HAVE.

:facepalm:


let's frolicked in the world "teh best QB eva land" .

The guy had bad game, and it was a big game that could cost him some money.

Will he be successful in the NFL, that's the big question.

It's obvious that you have your sights on Geno, and no one else so if someone you believe slights him you'll defend him as if he was your first born infant son.

The reason most here, like Sac, are so high on him, isn't just for the numbers he's put up. It's for all physical attributes.


IMO, most of Geno's flaws are things that are coachable and from all we've heard, he has a pretty high football IQ and is a hard worker.

Why is it such a big deal to some that others are so high on Geno? This is a new thing for Chiefs fans, first overall pick and all and they are high on a QB. Good for them.

We havent had hope in a while.

Whisperer quit shitting up the thread

This is a downright stupid post.
He brings up Brady not trying to compare skills right now, but saying if a qb like Manning or Brady can get owned by the same team multiple times any qb can get owned by teams multiple times and it isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme
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I like Geno, but I will definitely acknowledge his flaws like every other QB in the class.

The way this board it talking, Geno is the only QB worth a shit in this draft.

If Reid picks Geno, he's gonna be running a more simplified offense with easier reads, like Ratty is doing with RG3.

I disagree. The guys in his face have walked his linemen back at least 7-10yds.as soon as he steps up, there is NOTHING stopping the defenders from disengaging and making a play. His linemen sure won't stand in their way. You're neglecting the fact that Syracuse's defense was top ten in the nation in tackles for loss.

No, we aren't saying he's the only one worth a shit, we are saying he is the BEST QB in this class. Why settle for 2nd best?

He's not worth the #1 pick...I'd rather we trade down or take the best athlete out there...which no one will really know until the combine.

Communications degree vs. English degree.

I was trying to explain this to some people on Powermizzou, and I was vastly outnumbered by people who thought Geno at #1 overall was a ridiculous thought. I love this thread because it explains much more clearly than I ever could as to why it isn't.

16/24
197 yards
2 TDs
0 Ints

In a blizzard and high winds isn't struggling.

Getting owned in the time of possession, not being able to block up front and not being able to stop the run is struggling.

I don't get how someone with any modicum of objectivity can say that Geno "fell flat on his face" in the Pinstripe Bowl.

And then, to go and look at his body of work, especially against highly rated defenses/good teams...I mean, ****.

And another dumbass enters the thread....

Totally ****ing clueless

Best QB in the draft isn't worth the #1 pick?

We truly are living in the end times. Maybe the Mayans WERE right.

Uh, yeah, he is.

Welcome to Loserville.

And the Combine isn't going to give you shit unless you are looking for the best "athlete" rather than the best football player.

****ing best athlete...seriously?

This is how teams end up with ****ing guys like Dontari Poe and Vernon Gholston.

Jesus H. ****ing Christ on a stick.

You're an idiot. He has a TERRIBLE offensive line against a top 10 defensive front. Nothing to do with him. On top of that, the coach completely changed the offense for that game. Never a good way to try and win.

So if the best player available is a running back, do you replace Charles?
This logic is stupid.


You take the bpa in order of most important position of NEED. We desperately need the best QB in the draft and that is geno.

Right now there is no standout QB. Not one of these QB's is significantly better then the other one.

They are all in the same group. Some have better attributes than the others, but none of them have taken the 1 spot by the balls.

That doesn't excuse not taking one at #1. Andy Reid needs to identify who he wants to coach and select him, regardless of this so called "value".

You are a ****ing moron.

Take the time to watch those vids I posted.

Compare Geno's mechanics, presence, arm, accuracy and awareness to every other quarterback in this draft.

It's not even close.

Geno is as good a NFL prospect as you will find at the position.

But just keep blathering your inanities without anything factual or objective to back them up. I'm in a foul mood so having you to kick around for another 30 posts or so might cheer me up.

I agree. Basically the point I'm making is that there is more than just 1 QB option at 1.

I think Barkley and Wilson could easily be top 10 worthy by April.

Nothing is changing about them from now until April...
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The hell if it isn't. The combine is a huge determining factor of football IQ and information about prospects.

Wilson is playing in the Senior Bowl this month. He looks good and he's rising up the god damn board.

Super duper.

But his body of work and skill set isn't what Geno brings to the table. And the Senior Bowl is a complete waste besides.

****ing guys like Ryan Sims destroyed people at the Senior Bowl. It's what got him drafted by the Chiefs in fact. People fall in love with measurables because they are easy to use as a comparator, but don't show the actual football accumen that one possess. Or what happens at a All-Star game setting.

And I'm pretty sure that Geno will do just fine in the "tests" compared to the other QB's available in this draft.

So RUn, what if Geno goes thru all the process and comes out higher than Wilson?

three are still going to be who they are.
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It's the interviews that matter when you get to this point in QB evaluation. Geno will set himself far above Wilson when that happens if there was any question at all coming in

Then it looks like he has a great shot to be the pick, but that hasn't happened yet.

What if Wilson looks marvelous at the Senior Bowl and the combine and scouts love his body of work (this season for him has been VERY impressive under the circumstances) and agree that he is easily worth a top 5 pick?

I'll trust whoever Reid picks because he knows more than this entire board combined.

You say Geno is the pick in other threads, then come in here and act like a whiny bitch when people question you.


It's ok to like who you like. I like Wilson alot too. But letting the senior bowl and combine make that much difference in who you pick is how you end up with Ryan Sims.

That's not set in stone at all SNR and you know that.

Tyler Wilson has said to have an "amazing" football IQ. Apparently Barkley does too.

Those could be big selling points to GM's and HC's.

I'm just not proclaiming that he is Jesus Christ Superstar in early January.

The combine and senior bowl hasn't even happened yet. A lot can happen in that time.

And Geno doesn't?


I dont' really have a problem with drafting either of the three, but this Geno love and hate is getting ridiculous.

So what exactly is the combine going to do for you? None of the three will likely throw, and we can't hear what they say in interviews.

What the **** do you think Geno Smith has?

exactly i'm more intrested in the sit downs and white board work they can do.. It goes without saying that Geno is tops in skillset. His skills are fundamentally sound, think he could add a couple lbs and a little work on his footwork but other than that the tools are all there it's his head that i question, and maybe i'll get proved wrong in the interviews.

Wilson size is by far the tops of this class out of the top Qb's.
Barkley's pre-snap reads and adjustments are tops.
geno's fundamentals are sound.

so it comes down to which package fits and works

Geno is said to have a good football IQ too, but his football tape has shown obvious concerns with that.

Why the **** would you question that?

Is it because he never smiles in pictures? Must mean he's gangsta

So does Wilsons and Barkleys.

I like Geno, but I'm not gonna act like some of the reeruns in this thread who are saying he's better than every QB in this class in every single way and that he's just as good as RG ****ing 3.

This is why the combine will be very interesting.

cause of plays he has made, holding the ball to long at time, drifting back into the endzone, the taunting and throwing gangsigns at fans.

just ? marks that i hope get cleared up. Like i've said if he passes with flying colors in interviews and we make the decision he is the one then by all means lets go i'm all in on rooting for him, just hope the staff does their homework and KNOW if there are any issues they can fix them and make him the best damn QB we have ever seen!

damn double post

He's not near the athlete RGIII is. Not even close. But as a passer, it's not quite the gap some think.

Hes not the best overall Qb at everything in this class. Bray has better arm strength, etc.


But when you add it all together, I believe he will probably grade out higher than the other QB's overall.

As O stated, how the **** are you going to know what the white board looks like in the one on one player meetings at the combine? Idiot.

One more thing to add to your "I don't know jack shit" list.

Wilson is 6'1.5" and 218 lbs.

Geno is 6'3" and 225 lbs.

Jones is 6'4" and 225 lbs.

Manuel is 6'4" and 240 lbs.

Sorensen is 6'4" and 235 lbs.

Wilson's size is tops in this class? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

From NFL.com:

Agree.

No, it really doesn't. It's Geno and it's not even close.

Sure, but not to us fans.


We won't have any idea how the interviews go.

He's better than every QB in this class in all the things that matter:

-Pocket presence/keeping cool under pressure
-Release
-Smarts/work ethic

Everything else can be improved in the pros easily.

Tell me a quarterback drafted first overall in the last 20 years who managed to accomplish that on the strength of his ****ing senior bowl.

Geno's football tape, huh?

Show me.

His toolbox in the pocket is every bit as good as rg3 if not better. Arm strength is probably a wash, geno has a better release, and never looks to run.

If you're expecting geno to come in and be RG3 he's going to disappoint you because he's not that player.

If you expect Geno to win ten games as a rookie... Your expectations are more reasonable.

I never said I would know.. Idiot, obviously the coaches will know and detemine.. Again Idiot.

Tyler Wilson
Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) Weight: 220 lb (100 kg)

Geno Smith
Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 220 lb (100 kg)

I will say that i was wrong, i thought wilson was also 6'3 but at 230 i've seen him listed at before where ive seen smith listed at around 218. just meant wilsons size not height, wilson seems a little thicker and bigger.

I don't care about any of the others you listed as i said the TOP qb prospects not all of them... idiot

So even if Reid determines geno won't fit with what he wants to do and is not the right package you think we should take him? ya ok good sense there