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htismaqe 03-21-2023 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16867686)
So you think they'd pass on Darnell Wright or Anton Harrison if they fell into their lap?

I don't think either will be there, but it's certainly possible, and I think they'd be on our short list.

Yeah, I do think it's possible they pass on both, especially with this edge class. I'd say it's much more likely that neither are available at #31 though. So now what? Trade up for a RT? Because that seems to be what some people want to do.

Balto 03-21-2023 01:35 PM

One question I have with a Hopkins OR OBJ signing is targets. One could just say that Hopkins/OBJ would get JuJu's 100 targets(which would be about 50 less than what Hopkins typically averages, would he be ok with that?) but I'd also ask where are Toney's targets going to come from?

I'm not sure if these are 100% correct but the this is what I found from a fast search:
Kelce: 152
JuJu: 104
MVS: 91
Skyy: 41
Hardman: 37
Watson: 35
Toney: 26

Lets say Kelce gets 130, Hopkins/OBJ get 100, Do you take MVS targets away and give them to Skyy and Toney?

Say we have about 500 max balls to TE/WRs

Kelce 150
Hopkins/OBJ 100(will this piss them off?)
Toney 75 (IS this enough?)
MVS 75 (down from 91?)
Skyy 50 (does this hurt his development?)
Left overs 50 for the rest

Seems like last season when everyone was healthy most of the balls went to Kelce, JuJu , MVS and rest random. So really only 3 main targets focused on.

IF Reid isn't lying about giving Toney and Skyy bigger roles one could argue that while Veach is still looking at bringing in Hopkins or OBJ he might see that as a MVS exit in a trade if they go that route.

Kelce
Hopkins/OBJ
Toney
Skyy

Could easily be what Veach is thinking.

Mecca 03-21-2023 01:36 PM

MVS is never going to be a high target guy.....and if you want to be honest, it'd be nice if they could lower Kelce's targets a bit with his age.

RunKC 03-21-2023 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16867686)
So you think they'd pass on Darnell Wright or Anton Harrison if they fell into their lap?

I don't think either will be there, but it's certainly possible, and I think they'd be on our short list.

Wright probably won’t be there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Players who will go higher than people think:<br><br>Darnell Wright<br>Adetomiwa Adebawore<br>Hendon Hooker<br><br>Players who will go lower than people think:<br><br>Brian Branch<br>Bryan Bresee<br>Jordan Addison</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1638190599953104898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It feels like he’s gonna be a Steeler IMO

Mecca 03-21-2023 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16867716)
Wright probably won’t be there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Players who will go higher than people think:<br><br>Darnell Wright<br>Adetomiwa Adebawore<br>Hendon Hooker<br><br>Players who will go lower than people think:<br><br>Brian Branch<br>Bryan Bresee<br>Jordan Addison</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1638190599953104898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It feels like he’s gonna be a Steeler IMO

If Addison falls to us we better take that ****er.

staylor26 03-21-2023 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16867701)
Yeah, I do think it's possible they pass on both, especially with this edge class. I'd say it's much more likely that neither are available at #31 though. So now what? Trade up for a RT? Because that seems to be what some people want to do.

I really like this EDGE class, but there aren't many out of the guys that will be available that I'd take over one of those guys. More likely there's a group of guys that I'd try to get aggrevie for in round 2 to pair with Harrison/Wright at 31.

staylor26 03-21-2023 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16867718)
If Addison falls to us we better take that ****er.

Yes, please.

htismaqe 03-21-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16867725)
I really like this EDGE class, but there aren't many out of the guys that will be available that I'd take over one of those guys. More likely there's a group of guys that I'd try to get aggrevie for in round 2 to pair with Harrison/Wright at 31.

Yeah, I just don't see a quality tackle falling to us, so there's that. And I just don't think they're in the market for a LTotF. They clearly said they wanted to move on from Brown because they wanted a long-term solution and then turned around and gave Taylor more money than Brown got.

I don't see them taking a tackle in the first really no matter what happens. I don't think they view it the same way some fans do or they never would have started Wylie and Brown for as long as they did.

Mecca 03-21-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16867736)
Yeah, I just don't see a quality tackle falling to us, so there's that. And I just don't think they're in the market for a LTotF. They clearly said they wanted to move on from Brown because they wanted a long-term solution and then turned around and gave Taylor more money than Brown got.

I don't see them taking a tackle in the first really no matter what happens. I don't think they view it the same way some fans do or they never would have started Wylie and Brown for as long as they did.

They are probably fine with Niang at RT and Wanagho as the backup...Wanagho actually has a far better athletic profile than Wylie does hell so does Niang.

WR, Edge, DT are likely the top of the list for this team unless something out of the ordinary happens.

staylor26 03-21-2023 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16867736)
Yeah, I just don't see a quality tackle falling to us, so there's that. And I just don't think they're in the market for a LTotF. They clearly said they wanted to move on from Brown because they wanted a long-term solution and then turned around and gave Taylor more money than Brown got.

I don't see them taking a tackle in the first really no matter what happens. I don't think they view it the same way some fans do or they never would have started Wylie and Brown for as long as they did.

Eh, they also invested in Mitchell Schwartz at one point. I don't think they're desperate for one, but I can see them drafting a plug and play guy like one of those 2 if they fall to 31.

If they get Hopkins or OBJ, they definitely will take BPA.

Mecca 03-21-2023 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16867743)
Eh, they also invested in Mitchell Schwartz at one point. I don't think they're desperate for one, but I can see them drafting a plug and play guy like one of those 2 if they fall to 31.

If they get Hopkins or OBJ, they definitely will take BPA.

But they were willing to sign Schwartz when he took a pretty team friendly deal and Fisher wasn't grossly paid.

staylor26 03-21-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16867739)
They are probably fine with Niang at RT and Wanagho as the backup...Wanagho actually has a far better athletic profile than Wylie does hell so does Niang.

WR, Edge, DT are likely the top of the list for this team unless something out of the ordinary happens.

Run stuffing DT next to Jones is something I don't see them investing in early when it comes down to it. I can maybe see them taking one the 2nd, but Veach has yet to invest more than a 3rd.

I think they'd take somebody like Mazi Smith ir Keaanu Benton if they fell to 63, 2 big guys with pass rush upside, but that's it. I don't think either last that long though.

staylor26 03-21-2023 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16867748)
But they were willing to sign Schwartz when he took a pretty team friendly deal and Fisher wasn't grossly paid.

And this would be very similar. Paying the LT top dollar with a rookie RT on a 5 year deal...

Megatron96 03-21-2023 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16867706)
MVS is never going to be a high target guy.....and if you want to be honest, it'd be nice if they could lower Kelce's targets a bit with his age.

Yeah, my feeling is that if Toney and Skyy are going to get more targets, MVS' targets are going to drop some anyway. MVS isn't ever going to be a critical part of the offense anyway. He's a role player more than a real receiver. In that role, he's pretty good. But he's not going to become a legit WR2.

Mecca 03-21-2023 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16867757)
Run stuffing DT next to Jones is something I don't see them investing in early when it comes down to it. I can maybe see them taking one the 2nd, but Veach has yet to invest more than a 3rd.

I think they'd take somebody like Mazi Smith ir Keaanu Benton if they fell to 63, 2 big guys with pass rush upside, but that's it. I don't think either last that long though.

Daniel Jeremiah has Mazi Smith at 26 to the Cowboys today so I guess he's rising.


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