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Balto 08-16-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17059059)
But that's different or something. Only one side is obligated to honor their end of the contract.

100% wrong

BigRedChief 08-16-2023 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17058132)
You can't compromise a team for one DT who is about to turn 30. The contract has to have a safety valve to protect the cap.

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17058659)
Not giving the team an out on the 4th year is a pretty big deal. ...assuming that's what's even actually happening.

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17058738)
No, they're offering what he wants. However, the Chiefs want a lower gurwnteed number in case his production drops off due to his age. Jones wants that security.

This may be the hold up. Chiefs want to be covered in case a 34 year old DT falls off in their production. He wants guarantees etc.

But, none of us knows for sure what's the hold up.

tredadda 08-16-2023 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17059092)
100% wrong

Is it? And how so? Players under contract are cut all the time. No one has issues when a team does it, but when players want protections they are looked on poorly. This is why so many players push for the guaranteed money. Teams can still cut them, they are still on the hook for the guaranteed money, not the length of the contract.

O.city 08-16-2023 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17059090)
What are guys even talking about????

It’s IN THE CONTRACT he signs that a team can cut him at any time and only pay the guaranteed money…….it’s written IN THE CONTRACT.

How are teams not honoring the contracts? Haha

Yeah….and I don’t believe there’s anything in there saying he can’t do what he’s doing? No?

Balto 08-16-2023 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17059103)
Is it? And how so? Players under contract are cut all the time. No one has issues when a team does it, but when players want protections they are looked on poorly. This is why so many players push for the guaranteed money. Teams can still cut them, they are still on the hook for the guaranteed money, not the length of the contract.

Think you answered your own question.

Bearcat 08-16-2023 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17059103)
Is it? And how so? Players under contract are cut all the time. No one has issues when a team does it, but when players want protections they are looked on poorly. This is why so many players push for the guaranteed money. Teams can still cut them, they are still on the hook for the guaranteed money, not the length of the contract.

I think he was taking your post literally, of all the ones to quote, heh.

Coochie liquor 08-16-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17058125)
I believe Veach said that last week, but I may have misheard.

I do agree that having the rookie deals is great, but having an elite player like Tyreek would also be nice if you could have traded Jones instead.

I feel like it was Reek who was the one that said he’d never play for Bienemy again. He wasn’t coming back with EB still here.

Balto 08-16-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17059104)
Yeah….and I don’t believe there’s anything in there saying he can’t do what he’s doing? No?

Fines and if a player doesn’t show for a certain amount of the season the team still keeps that year.

tredadda 08-16-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17059100)
This may be the hold up. Chiefs want to be covered in case a 34 year old DT falls off in their production.

But, none of us knows for sure what's the hold up.

That seems to make the most sense. From KC's perspective a backloaded contract with outs makes sense, but from Jones' perspective upfront and guaranteed money are probably the most important.

TwistedChief 08-16-2023 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17059059)
But that's different or something. Only one side is obligated to honor their end of the contract.

Yeah, I know what you’re saying, but it’s not actually correct. The contract spells out who has what rights and options. There’s nothing in the contract stipulating that Jones can walk away after 3 years instead of 4 and sign with another team. Whereas because of guaranteed money and what-not there are always outs for teams which means they don’t necessarily have to pay the full value of the contract. But all of that is understood on day one and is part of the overall negotiation.

If you want pick a bone with something, complain about the franchise tag. But even with that, the players agreed to it in exchange for other benefits elsewhere.

Jones signed a deal with eyes wide open. I’m only upset if he misses games, but I expect he’ll report once they leave St Joe’s in any case.

tredadda 08-16-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17059109)
I think he was taking your post literally, of all the ones to quote, heh.

I guess. Either way the whole concept that only players have to honor their contracts, but not the teams makes no sense to me.

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-16-2023 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17059117)
Yeah, I know what you’re saying, but it’s not actually correct. The contract spells out who has what rights and options. There’s nothing in the contract stipulating that Jones can walk away after 3 years instead of 4 and sign with another team. Whereas because of guaranteed money and what-not there are always outs for teams which means they don’t necessarily have to pay the full value of the contract. But all of that is understood on day one and is part of the overall negotiation.

If you want pick a bone with something, complain about the franchise tag. But even with that, the players agreed to it in exchange for other benefits elsewhere.

Jones signed a deal with eyes wide open. I’m only upset if he misses games, but I expect he’ll report once they leave St Joe’s in any case.

^this^ I thought he would report before last Sunday's game, but I knew the daily fines can't be waived, but didn't realize preseason game checks being withheld for a holdout is optional. He will be back when shortly after the Chiefs leave St. Joes...

IowaHawkeyeChief 08-16-2023 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17059114)
That seems to make the most sense. From KC's perspective a backloaded contract with outs makes sense, but from Jones' perspective upfront and guaranteed money are probably the most important.

False narrative. Teams do honor contracts. The contract and negotiated league rules stipulate all that goes on in a contract and it enforcement. Who can be cut, when they can become a free agent, who can be fined for holding out, and franchise tag rules. Jones signed his current deal know exactly what the situation would be this year, as do all players.

tredadda 08-16-2023 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17059117)
Yeah, I know what you’re saying, but it’s not actually correct. The contract spells out who has what rights and options. There’s nothing in the contract stipulating that Jones can walk away after 3 years instead of 4 and sign with another team. Whereas because of guaranteed money and what-not there are always outs for teams which means they don’t necessarily have to pay the full value of the contract. But all of that is understood on day one and is part of the overall negotiation.

If you want pick a bone with something, complain about the franchise tag. But even with that, the players agreed to it in exchange for other benefits elsewhere.

Jones signed a deal with eyes wide open. I’m only upset if he misses games, but I expect he’ll report once they leave St Joe’s in any case.

This I agree with. I am also ok with Jones being fined for not being there in that respect. I understand the outs built into a contract, it's more the opinions in the court of public opinion that teams cuts a player=Ok. Player holds out for whatever reason=player bad, honor contract.

Red Dawg 08-16-2023 10:04 AM

Must be nice to be able to sign a contract and then out right not honor it fully because I don't feel like it.


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