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DaneMcCloud 10-25-2012 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan (Post 9049304)
ROFL I thought "Chud" was some made-up bullshit.
Rob Chudzinski, OC of the Carolina Panthers.

Well, the good news is that he'll certainly be available.

:evil:

chiefzilla1501 10-25-2012 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9049288)
This is what I've said across multiple threads.

It's early, but I like what Joe Philbin has been able to accomplish for a talent depleted football team. The Dolphins traded away their best offensive and defensive players, drafted a rookie QB and are currently sitting at 3-3 and are a few plays from 5-1.

Regardless of who their GM is in 2013, this team will be poised to make a move because they won't need to tie up their first round pick on a QB and have a pair of second and third round picks.

Philbin wasn't the "hot" coordinator. By all accounts, he didn't even call the plays. But what he was before being hired as a head coach was a pure football coach that was organized, detailed and level headed. His age (51) didn't hurt him at all.

THAT'S the type of guy I want to lead the Chiefs. Not a one-year-wonder like Chud or whomever.
We're actually agreeing on some things. Too often people get excited about the "hot" coordinator. In many cases, first thing I ask myself is... if this guy has been successful for so long, then why doesn't the guy ever get a head coaching job? Exactly what I said when the Panthers made the idiotic Ron Rivera hire.

Woodchuck 10-25-2012 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9049288)
This is what I've said across multiple threads.

It's early, but I like what Joe Philbin has been able to accomplish for a talent depleted football team. The Dolphins traded away their best offensive and defensive players, drafted a rookie QB and are currently sitting at 3-3 and are a few plays from 5-1.

Regardless of who their GM is in 2013, this team will be poised to make a move because they won't need to tie up their first round pick on a QB and have a pair of second and third round picks.

Philbin wasn't the "hot" coordinator. By all accounts, he didn't even call the plays. But what he was before being hired as a head coach was a pure football coach that was organized, detailed and level headed. His age (51) didn't hurt him at all.

THAT'S the type of guy I want to lead the Chiefs. Not a one-year-wonder like Chud or whomever.
I see where you are coming from and I like the idea of getting a guy who has been in the league a while with experience but, Philbin fell into a pretty good situation. His OC was his rookie QB's coach in college and I think that's a pretty big deal.

What about Dom Capers? Try and get him to come and be the HC and bring in Kevin Green as the DC. Are you completely opposed to giving former HCs another shot?

DaneMcCloud 10-25-2012 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9049371)
I see where you are coming from and I like the idea of getting a guy who has been in the league a while with experience but, Philbin fell into a pretty good situation. His OC was his rookie QB's coach in college and I think that's a pretty big deal.

What about Dom Capers? Try and get him to come and be the HC and bring in Kevin Green as the DC. Are you completely opposed to giving former HCs another shot?
Dom Capers? Yeah, like Wade Phillips, he needs another chance.

:facepalm:

Capers is a decent DC but a horrible head coach.

And no, Philbin didn't "fall into" his situation. He and Mike Sherman worked together in Green Bay, runs the West Coast offense and was a no-brainer selection. Their brain trust decided that Tannehill was their guy and so far, he's playing very well and improving each week.

That isn't "luck": That's a detailed plan of success. Something the Chiefs haven't had since, well, the 1960's.

WhiteWhale 10-25-2012 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9047358)
I'm not so sure Ben wasn't forced on him.

He tried to win with Cordell ****ing Stewert.

He's been away from the game for 7 seasons now.

I wouldn't hate it, but I'm not in favor of it.
Conjecture isn't evidence. It's just conjecture.

No, he DID win with Kordell Stewart. Not a SB, but if that's all that qualifies as 'winning' then there's only one winning team every year. Not a good way to track progress if you think 2nd place is just as far away as 30th place.

He went to the AFC championship game with a terrible QB. First season with a good QB he won the SB. That's how it happened.

If that didn't teach him the value of a QB, then he's just ****in' stupid.

It's not like he's my first choice, but it crack me up how people act as though he's an unaccomplished loser while last season the same crowd was ready to bust a nut at the prospect of getting a poor man's version of Cowher in Jeff Fisher.

chiefzilla1501 10-25-2012 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 9049382)
Conjecture isn't evidence. It's just conjecture.

No, he DID win with Kordell Stewart. Not a SB, but if that's all that qualifies as 'winning' then there's only one winning team every year. Not a good way to track progress if you think 2nd place is just as far away as 30th place.

He went to the AFC championship game with a terrible QB. First season with a good QB he won the SB. That's how it happened.

If that didn't teach him the value of a QB, then he's just ****in' stupid.

It's not like he's my first choice, but it crack me up how people act as though he's an unaccomplished loser while last season the same crowd was ready to bust a nut at the prospect of getting a poor man's version of Cowher in Jeff Fisher.
I'm pretty sure the same people opposed to Fisher were the same ones opposed to Cowher.

RealSNR 10-25-2012 05:10 PM
Leave it to DJ's Left Nut to steal my ****ing guy.

I unfortunately don't have any posts touting my belief in Gus Bradley as a great NFL head coach, but I am pretty familiar with him. I wanted him in 2009 to be honest.

If not Bradley, I'd love to see an equally inspiring, organized coach like Chip Kelly. Although apparently that dude is set on never walking away from the college game ever. He's been turning down NFL offers the past two offseasons.

-King- 10-25-2012 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9049173)
Wade has gone 20 years without ever winning shit. Bill Cowher won 10 games a season and multiple conference championships.

And Tomlin did what Cowher did with Cowher's guys.

You know what - I'm not even going to bother.

Just go ahead and keep repeating this bit of idiocy to anyone that listen - it does more damage than any rebuttal I can put together:

"Wade Phillips is a better NFL head coach than Bill Cowher"

I'm sure you'll get plenty of people that are blown away by your sagacity.
So tomlin did what he did with Cowhers guys huh? Those same guys had a .500 record with cowher the year before Tomlin came.
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Woodchuck 10-25-2012 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9049373)
Dom Capers? Yeah, like Wade Phillips, he needs another chance.

:facepalm:

Capers is a decent DC but a horrible head coach.

And no, Philbin didn't "fall into" his situation. He and Mike Sherman worked together in Green Bay, runs the West Coast offense and was a no-brainer selection. Their brain trust decided that Tannehill was their guy and so far, he's playing very well and improving each week.

That isn't "luck": That's a detailed plan of success. Something the Chiefs haven't had since, well, the 1960's.
Good info. I didn't realize they had worked together. It is a detailed plan for success and it will be interesting to see where it goes.

-King- 10-25-2012 06:38 PM
It's funny that people just give Cowher a pass for not winning a superbowl until his 15th year in the league.

Any decent coach SHOULD be able to win 1 superbowl if he's been with the same team for 15 years.

Add that to the fact that he was the GM also and made personnel decisions, and that makes it even harder to give him a pass.

The only thing I like about Cowher is the toughness he would bring to the team. That's about it.

htismaqe 10-25-2012 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9049373)
Dom Capers? Yeah, like Wade Phillips, he needs another chance.

:facepalm:

Capers is a decent DC but a horrible head coach.

And no, Philbin didn't "fall into" his situation. He and Mike Sherman worked together in Green Bay, runs the West Coast offense and was a no-brainer selection. Their brain trust decided that Tannehill was their guy and so far, he's playing very well and improving each week.

That isn't "luck": That's a detailed plan of success. Something the Chiefs haven't had since, well, the 1960's.
Joe Philbin actually has a pretty impressive resume.

He was one HELL of an offensive line coach, that's for sure.

DaneMcCloud 10-25-2012 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9049892)
It's funny that people just give Cowher a pass for not winning a superbowl until his 15th year in the league.

Any decent coach SHOULD be able to win 1 superbowl if he's been with the same team for 15 years.

Add that to the fact that he was the GM also and made personnel decisions, and that makes it even harder to give him a pass.

The only thing I like about Cowher is the toughness he would bring to the team. That's about it.

Cowher was NEVER the GM of the Steelers.

In the 90's, he answered to Tom Donahoe and to a lesser extent, Tom Modrak.

In the 2000's, Kevin Colbert.

I'd rather see someone else in KC but JFC, get your facts straight.

WhiteWhale 10-25-2012 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9049892)
It's funny that people just give Cowher a pass for not winning a superbowl until his 15th year in the league.

Any decent coach SHOULD be able to win 1 superbowl if he's been with the same team for 15 years.

Add that to the fact that he was the GM also and made personnel decisions, and that makes it even harder to give him a pass.

The only thing I like about Cowher is the toughness he would bring to the team. That's about it.
So Don Shula is not a decent coach right?

Or does only the FIRST fifteen years qualify? I never know about these arbitrarily placed standards, so I have to ask.

ChiefsCountry 10-25-2012 10:56 PM
I would prefer a young upcomer but Cowher would be the one retread that I could accept. Also he would be somebody who would tell Pioli to go shove it as well.

DaneMcCloud 10-25-2012 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9049586)
So tomlin did what he did with Cowhers guys huh? Those same guys had a .500 record with cowher the year before Tomlin came.
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:facepalm:

The Steelers had some serious injuries in 2006, had endured their longest season since the 80's and in all likelihood, were just plain worn out.

Not too many teams repeat these days.

And FWIW, Tomlin took over essentially the same exact team and same exact coaching staff.

So the answer to your question is yes.


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