Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9098797)

You have no ****ing clue wh-...

**** this. Done.

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9098775)

I disagree and I think you give them to much credit. No, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors but those vets aren't stepping up at all. I have seen some of them quit on the field. If I am a new GM, I don't want some of them. Some of the crap is going to come out on the tape if we get a new GM. I guarantee some of them will be gone at this time next year if we get a new GM.

It is far worse than you think imo. It isn't just the coaching. They are professionals.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9098952)

The team needs leaders. Sure.

How about a real coach and a real QB? Bowm. Problem solved.

Not every player has to be a Ray Lewis chest-thumping mong that yells and screams over everything.

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9098961)

Derrick Thomas would have beaten somebodys ass by now because of the way we have lost. You are undervaluing one of the most important things imo.

You think TG would have said something to the press if Pioli was ****ing with the young guys? I totally do. He would have gone to bat for them.

We need a GM, Coach, and a QB but we better get some leaders on the field too.

Originally Posted by cyborgtable (Post 9098991)

So Green says something in the media and gets canned. What good is done by that other than another team in need of a QB picks him up, it wouldn't help any players on the team and you are packing your bags to go somewhere else.

If Tamba Hali or Derrick Johnson did it now plenty of teams looking for passrushers would take them in a heartbeat. Pioli wouldn't stand for it and would cut or trade their asses in a heartbeat because it goes against the "Patriot Way" that he loves so much.

I agree leadership is needed but I think you don't understand how ****ed up Pioli has made the place.

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9099016)

I was talking about Gonzalez but Green works to. There is no way they get canned.

I think I do understand man. I worked for a guy just like him for three years and I watch my firends working for him every day across the street.

People thought the supervisors were pussies because they are/were in a position to say something and never have. They simply take their paycheck and cash it. They were once our friends and now people loathe them. They were good people and completely sold out. Why did they take the position?

I respect your opinion but, I see it differently. maybe you are right and I am wrong? All I know is that the supervisors at my work don't speak out because it's a bad economy. These guys are getting paid millions. Also, these guys were chosen to be leaders (captains) by their co-workers. They can't just "check out."

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9098961)

Derrick Thomas would have beaten somebodys ass by now because of the way we have lost. You are undervaluing one of the most important things imo.

You think TG would have said something to the press if Pioli was ****ing with the young guys? I totally do. He would have gone to bat for them.

We need a GM, Coach, and a QB but we better get some leaders on the field too.

Originally Posted by cyborgtable (Post 9099037)

If their not going to get canned why be afraid to talk. Either these players are raging morons and complete chicken shits, which you can't make it to the league if your a chicken shit unless your name is Casshole. Either they know their done if they try to do anything or they are stupid babys. I highly doubt all 52 people are the latter

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9099074)

You missing the point man. It's none of your reasons. The reason is that they just don't give a ****. They don't care about winning. Pioli gave one or two guys second contracts who don't give a shit.



I do and I completely understand. The problem is that some of them have failed at being leaders. They can't just step aside for someone else if you are going to change the culture man. This isn't madden and this team has no chemistry or identity. On paper what you are saying is true.

However, there is no resentment or emotion on paper.

If it's like my work, the damage is done man. The resentment will always be there from the guys that aren't captains.

Look man, take DJ for example. Did he ever care before that new contract came up? Does he care about winning now? Why wouldn't he call a players only meeting and get shit worked out if he wanted to win? Listen to his post game quotes. They are the same as they were five years ago. I am tired of hearing it. By no means am I blaming all of this on him but, he has got to own some of it and he never does. Just like Cassel.

I see your point and do think it would hypothetically work. It's just that in my experience it's different. Can you see where I am coming from?

Originally Posted by cyborgtable (Post 9099149)

How does your brain function well enough for you to breath.

Originally Posted by cyborgtable (Post 9099149)

How does your brain function well enough for you to breath.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9099557)

Bobmult is a pure masochist, he's feeding off the abuse.

Its like Tyler Durden giggling and spewing blood as the mobster beats him half to death in the basement.

I often like the way he pleads his "lets be civil" case, then he goes and says something insane again.

Originally Posted by cyborgtable (Post 9099570)

Maybe he really is Pioli, I've heard it before here but it makes perfect sense. Keeps spouting these guys don't want to win and we don't have any leaders. It's almost like he believes every player needs to be a self motivated leader and he has fighting trying to prove taking a qb number 1 is the wrong move.

He could be doing everything in his power to stop this message board and thus, in his mind, the SOC movement.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9099557)

Bobmult is a pure masochist, he's feeding off the abuse.

Its like Tyler Durden giggling and spewing blood as the mobster beats him half to death in the basement.

I often like the way he pleads his "lets be civil" case, then he goes and says something insane again.