That's bullshit and you KNOW IT. Carl will NOT be here after the 2009 season. PERIOD.

Get out of the batters box, put that weak shit to bed, and step back up to the plate.

Well the same reason a lot of people including myself "just don’t get it".

I think you and I are debating two different issues here... Yes I feel the team is capable of 7-9 next year or better, but as I stated in a previous post, Herms game time decisions will cost us 1-3 games, Hell already cost us 2 games this year. The teams we have to face next year have coaches that understand the NFL and are miles ahead of Herm. So take that and factor in another 1-3 games and I can see the Chiefs going between 4-12 and 6-10 relatively easy... Its not hate or fact, its just an opinion.

I feel the talent is "at places" there Dane, but coaching is not. We have 6 sacks on the year... That is 6! Gun and Herm are to blame; these are Herms DL'men, Herms Tampon 2 and Gunthers, whatever the freak he is good for defense. Yet we can only muster up 6 sacks... We play so passive on _efense it is scary....

So are we going to debate the talent we have at certain positions and a team that could be middle of the pack next year? Or are we going to debate the coach that will ultimately keep them from reaching their goals???

Because with all the talent Mr. Keen eye has drafted over the years, all the holes he has fixed, all the players he has developed, IF he was so freaking great, why the freak is his record so bad, his teams always start the seasons slow, unprepared and injuries run through it like a Hurricane? The guy just doesn’t have "it" and it shows not only in his record, but his decisions when the stakes are the highest.

Herm and Kuharich took control of personnel in 2008. The draft and the signings of undrafted free agents (Mike Cox, Maurice Leggett, etc.) along with waiver wire acquisitions such as Bradley have been among the best talent acquisitions the Chiefs have had in nearly 20 years.

This team had been built through free agency. Herm was given what he was given in 2006 and 2007. He went to the owner and asked that he have control over personnel. There's nothing else he could with the old philosophy.

Furthermore, if he didn't have "It", how was he able to get to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years in New York and in his first year in KC? Especially without the services of Trent Green and Willie Roaf?

Who would have thought that was possible in 2005, when the Chiefs had won on 7 games in 2004?

Back to Herm: Are you really not seeing improvement in this squad from week to week? Do you actually WATCH each and every game or are you going by reports on Chiefsplanet or the radio?

There is a post around here that explains Herms coaching tenure in NYJ including his playoffs, if you havent read it, you should. Its pretty telling.

In 2005 the chiefs went 10-6 with DV, was strong at the end of the year, but the Dallas, Philly and NYG games cost them, I am not sure what Herm had to do with that, but okay?

In 2006, it was one of the biggest miracles in history, we needed what? 3 teams to lose and it came down to Denver and SF in overtime at Denver for us to make the playoffs. Yes we won an ugly home game, but by no means did we make the playoffs without the Lord Jesus himselfs help.

So his time in NYJ and the last two years are not Herms only drafts? So all that talent he drafted and developed was not his? Okay now I am confused? So we can only judge Herm on 2008 and not his previous drafts/tenures, unless we are looking at things that make him look good, like beating the Colts in the playoffs, but not anything else right?

Would be nice if the coach had a backbone in 2006 and 2007, instead of being a foot suffling porter to the King...

Dane, its been fun, but have to go for now...

You never responded to thread that showed all of the talent drafted by Herm and Bradway. There was a shit-ton, many of those players still with the team and guys like Abraham still out there kicking ass.

Dane, a serious question for you. You've been talking, in this thread & others, about the improvements the Chiefs have made this year & week to week. Over the first 6 games, would you have said the same things? Were they showing improvement? Also, were the FA's & draft picks looking good through the first 6 games or have they just started to come on?



PS....yes, I know that there is a transition period for FA & draft picks.

Then why are you asking this question?

Did you expect the Chiefs to win more than 3 games this season?

No. I didn't. Don't answer it. It's no biggie, just thought I'd ask.

I'm 99% certain that Abraham was taken before Herm got there...

Yep.

The year before.

There was individual improvement over the course of the first six games. Albert, Carr, Flowers, Charles, etc. While the team didn't necessarily improve, those players and others did improve.

With the addition of Bradley after the bye week and the change to the spread offense, the Chiefs offense matured and improved considerably.

It's a damn shame that the Chiefs front office and coaching staff weren't able to identify Thigpen as THE QBOTF in the off-season because it's possible that this team might be further ahead right now. But then again, they might not.

Herms draft record with the Jets is like it is here..up and down so pretty average when you balance it out.

The draft is a crapshoot for any team.

Yes, he was.

But those who would argue that Herm and his staff can't develop talent are just plain dumb because there's no way you're going to convince me that Abraham was "developed" by Al Groh in one year.

The thing that all these people who play the "development" card are missing is that you can't get blood from a turnip.

And the Chiefs have drafted a lot of turnips on the defensive side of the ball for the past decade.