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milkman 12-23-2008 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 5323711)
We have so many more needs in so many areas. The offense isn't really the proble. We need a better pass rush - that is the one thing that will improve the play of our secondary. Hali isn't a bad second choice, but we need a franchise DE, and I'm convinced Orakpo is the guy we need. Take the best OL/LB available in the second round. Grab Chase Daniel in the 3rd (I think he'll still be there, and in as much as I'm a Jayhawk, he's a helluva competitor).

All of this speculation is pretty premature until we see if the Chiefs make any moves in the offseason going after free agents. For all I know, Herm gets canned and the new GM and Coach become serious players during the free agency period. I have my doubts, as everything Clark seems to be saying reinforces my belief that Clark is going to keep Herm around for another year.
Chase Daniel is a helluva a competitor, and he'd make a great QB in the land of Oz for the Munchkins.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-23-2008 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5324825)
Chase Daniel is a helluva a competitor, and he'd make a great QB in the land of Oz for the Munchkins.
We dropped out of the NFL and went "Arena"?

Reerun_KC 12-23-2008 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5324825)
Chase Daniel is a helluva a competitor, and he'd make a great QB in the land of Oz for the Munchkins.
Unless there is pressure, then he folds like a chair... Dude threw pick after pick during the second half of the season... Hell he couldnt even beat the Jayhawks...

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-23-2008 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5324853)
Unless there is pressure, then he folds like a chair... Dude threw pick after pick during the second half of the season... Hell he couldnt even beat the Jayhawks...
And that ALONE is reason for "kick ass to the curb" in my book.

Pinkel too. If you can't beat Pasta The Hutt and his Short-Bus Ewoks; get the **** OUTTA' MY HOUSE!:D

RINGLEADER 12-23-2008 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Priest4Prez (Post 5320114)
Nobody wants to waste a No. 2 pick in the 1st round on a WR, but we need to trade down and get a few mid first round players to fill gaps on the OL, DL, and get that third threat at WR
I'd be okay with that too -- those big trades never seem to happen anymore though...

RINGLEADER 12-23-2008 10:27 PM
I'd keep Thigpen and the spread (and Gailey). This offense and Thigpen are good enough to win with an average defense. With more time hopefully he gets better. If he doesn't then you pick up a QB in 2010.

HIChief 12-23-2008 11:04 PM
Does anybody know what the success rate of 1st round QB's is? I mean, some of the best QB's in the league are deep round picks, or even undrafted. The Chiefs will have much better return on the 1st pick investment if they target a freak LB, DE, or DT, then pick up a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-23-2008 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HIChief (Post 5325031)
Does anybody know what the success rate of 1st round QB's is? I mean, some of the best QB's in the league are deep round picks, or even undrafted. The Chiefs will have much better return on the 1st pick investment if they target a freak LB, DE, or DT, then pick up a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.
I was wondering how many Heisman winners turn out to be busts in the NFL myself...

Ricky Williams comes to mind.

Tribal Warfare 12-23-2008 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 5324908)
This offense and Thigpen are good enough to win


Which is the problem, Thigpen is good enought to win some with this gimmick but won't make it any farther than the regular season or a 1st round shutdown loss.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-23-2008 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 5324908)
I'd keep Thigpen and the spread (and Gailey). This offense and Thigpen are good enough to win with an average defense. With more time hopefully he gets better. If he doesn't then you pick up a QB in 2010.
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ChiefsCountry 12-24-2008 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by HIChief (Post 5325031)
Does anybody know what the success rate of 1st round QB's is? I mean, some of the best QB's in the league are deep round picks, or even undrafted. The Chiefs will have much better return on the 1st pick investment if they target a freak LB, DE, or DT, then pick up a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.
Since 1970, 70% of the top 5 picks that were QB's have made the Pro Bowl. Most of the recent busts have came from two draft classes.

Also 57% of the Super Bowls have been won by first round QB's. That number increases to 70% if you factor in Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Also majority of those non-first round quarterbacks winners were Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Roger Staubuch (who would have went #1 if werent for Vietnam) and Bart Starr. So you want a 3rd round QB? Joe Montana aside, its just Jeff Hostler who has won a Super Bowl.

So what is the better investment now?

BigChiefFan 12-24-2008 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5325127)
Which is the problem, Thigpen is good enought to win some with this gimmick but won't make it any farther than the regular season or a 1st round shutdown loss.
Agreed, we now have our quality BACK-UP. Anybody that thinks you can run the spread 100% of the time and be successful is fooling themselves.


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