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ChiefJustice 07-08-2009 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 5886526)
Last time I checked, the Beatles didn't have to be on TV from the waist up..from perry como to Hound Dog....not only music, but a culture itself.

if anything elvis ushered in a new style of music, and subsequently ushered in the Beatles. didn't help that his career was interrupted by the service and movies. to be able to come back years after the British invasion, speaks volumes...Something tells me there is a reason why they sought out the King...paying homage, IMO.


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I love the Beatles for the catalog of music they produced.

I just think Elvis is more iconic in his influence on many genres of music.

Listen to " You gave me a mountain"(penned by Marty Robbins) and you can see not only his range but,his dedication for remembering where he came from.

ShortRoundChief 07-08-2009 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 5886526)
Last time I checked, the Beatles didn't have to be on TV from the waist up..from perry como to Hound Dog....not only music, but a culture itself.

if anything elvis ushered in a new style of music, and subsequently ushered in the Beatles. didn't help that his career was interrupted by the service and movies. to be able to come back years after the British invasion, speaks volumes...Something tells me there is a reason why they sought out the King...paying homage, IMO.

I agree.

007 07-08-2009 03:57 AM

The Beatles

and I couldn't stand them.

ShortRoundChief 07-08-2009 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 5886583)
The Beatles

and I couldn't stand them.

Really?

I love the beatles, they most definitely were the gateway to my generation.

That being said, elvis opened them doors.

RNR 07-08-2009 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5886148)
I'm just guessing here, but if Ringo wasn't a very good drummer I think they could have found a replacement.

Yes but as we all know Ringo got the gig because John and Paul could not handle Pete Best pulling all the top shelf ass after the shows.

Nzoner 07-08-2009 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5886562)
And mostly soul-less $#it.

Just pop with nothing behind it. That's his legacy?

Timberlake, the Backstreet Boys, and N'Synch?

That's not a legacy that's a ****ing apology demanded and deserved...

ROFL

You're in prime form

Saccopoo 07-08-2009 08:37 AM

Elvis. Not even remotely close.

Michael Jackson had one good album - Off The Wall, a small handful of good songs over the course of his career on his other albums and an understanding/taking advantage of being in the "right place at the right time" and utilizing a relatively new avenue/medium (MTV) to it's fullest extent for maximum impact. In addition, he was constantly in the public's eye for not his music, but his excentricities in his private life; e.g., trying to turn himself into a white pixie elf, sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber, Bobo, snuggling up with kids, Neverland, etc. While Thriller remains the highest selling album of all time, remember that the current biggest selling act in music right now is the Jonas Brothers.

The Beatles pushed the boundaries of rock in terms of melody, song writing and instrumentation, but they were almost unique in a sense rather than paving a road that a multitude of bands followed. More of their generations Nirvana than an overall influence of other bands. They were simply better in terms of overall creativity and musical understanding. Sure, St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club was a genre shattering record that pushed the boundaries of creativity, and did spawn numerous imitators, but one would have to argue that the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin (at the tail end of the Beatles musical collective life) were actually more important in terms of overall impact and influence to music than the Beatles. Yes, their catalog of music, in a relatively short amount of time is nothing less than stunning (SPLHCB, Revolver, Let It Be, etc.), but they were more of being simply better than any other band at the time rather than being a bigger influence than any other band at the time.

Elvis, however, "invented" Rock and Roll. Redefined the whole concept of popular music in terms of what the buying public understood popular music to be. Without Elvis, there would be no "British Invasion," no Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. No appreciation nor widespread public acceptance of the black blues influeneces that shaped not only Rock 'n Roll, but the Motown sound and numerous other styles. Elvis brought together a number of musical influences (such as blues, gospel, country/western, poppy bugglegum WWII Andrew Sisters stuff, Bing Crosby crooning, etc, etc, etc.) and combined them with raw sex appeal and an understanding of showmanship and entertaining that the world had never seen before and reinvented music as the world knew it.

Again, it's Elvis, and it's not even remotely close.

Fire Me Boy! 07-08-2009 08:56 AM

KEEP F-IN' DOUBTING CHARLIE DANIELS.

FAX 07-08-2009 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5886562)
And mostly soul-less $#it.

Just pop with nothing behind it. That's his legacy?

Timberlake, the Backstreet Boys, and N'Synch?

That's not a legacy that's a ****ing apology demanded and deserved...

ROFL

FAX

Reaper16 07-08-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5886750)
Elvis. Not even remotely close.

Michael Jackson had one good album - Off The Wall, a small handful of good songs over the course of his career on his other albums and an understanding/taking advantage of being in the "right place at the right time" and utilizing a relatively new avenue/medium (MTV) to it's fullest extent for maximum impact. In addition, he was constantly in the public's eye for not his music, but his excentricities in his private life; e.g., trying to turn himself into a white pixie elf, sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber, Bobo, snuggling up with kids, Neverland, etc. While Thriller remains the highest selling album of all time, remember that the current biggest selling act in music right now is the Jonas Brothers.

The Beatles pushed the boundaries of rock in terms of melody, song writing and instrumentation, but they were almost unique in a sense rather than paving a road that a multitude of bands followed. More of their generations Nirvana than an overall influence of other bands. They were simply better in terms of overall creativity and musical understanding. Sure, St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club was a genre shattering record that pushed the boundaries of creativity, and did spawn numerous imitators, but one would have to argue that the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin (at the tail end of the Beatles musical collective life) were actually more important in terms of overall impact and influence to music than the Beatles. Yes, their catalog of music, in a relatively short amount of time is nothing less than stunning (SPLHCB, Revolver, Let It Be, etc.), but they were more of being simply better than any other band at the time rather than being a bigger influence than any other band at the time.

Elvis, however, "invented" Rock and Roll. Redefined the whole concept of popular music in terms of what the buying public understood popular music to be. Without Elvis, there would be no "British Invasion," no Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. No appreciation nor widespread public acceptance of the black blues influeneces that shaped not only Rock 'n Roll, but the Motown sound and numerous other styles. Elvis brought together a number of musical influences (such as blues, gospel, country/western, poppy bugglegum WWII Andrew Sisters stuff, Bing Crosby crooning, etc, etc, etc.) and combined them with raw sex appeal and an understanding of showmanship and entertaining that the world had never seen before and reinvented music as the world knew it.

Again, it's Elvis, and it's not even remotely close.

Racist.

Duck Dog 07-08-2009 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5886750)
Elvis. Not even remotely close.

Michael Jackson had one good album - Off The Wall, a small handful of good songs over the course of his career on his other albums and an understanding/taking advantage of being in the "right place at the right time" and utilizing a relatively new avenue/medium (MTV) to it's fullest extent for maximum impact. In addition, he was constantly in the public's eye for not his music, but his excentricities in his private life; e.g., trying to turn himself into a white pixie elf, sleeping in a hyperbolic chamber, Bobo, snuggling up with kids, Neverland, etc. While Thriller remains the highest selling album of all time, remember that the current biggest selling act in music right now is the Jonas Brothers.

The Beatles pushed the boundaries of rock in terms of melody, song writing and instrumentation, but they were almost unique in a sense rather than paving a road that a multitude of bands followed. More of their generations Nirvana than an overall influence of other bands. They were simply better in terms of overall creativity and musical understanding. Sure, St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club was a genre shattering record that pushed the boundaries of creativity, and did spawn numerous imitators, but one would have to argue that the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin (at the tail end of the Beatles musical collective life) were actually more important in terms of overall impact and influence to music than the Beatles. Yes, their catalog of music, in a relatively short amount of time is nothing less than stunning (SPLHCB, Revolver, Let It Be, etc.), but they were more of being simply better than any other band at the time rather than being a bigger influence than any other band at the time.

Elvis, however, "invented" Rock and Roll. Redefined the whole concept of popular music in terms of what the buying public understood popular music to be. Without Elvis, there would be no "British Invasion," no Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. No appreciation nor widespread public acceptance of the black blues influeneces that shaped not only Rock 'n Roll, but the Motown sound and numerous other styles. Elvis brought together a number of musical influences (such as blues, gospel, country/western, poppy bugglegum WWII Andrew Sisters stuff, Bing Crosby crooning, etc, etc, etc.) and combined them with raw sex appeal and an understanding of showmanship and entertaining that the world had never seen before and reinvented music as the world knew it.

Again, it's Elvis, and it's not even remotely close.

:thumb: Very well said.

RNR 07-08-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5887052)
Racist.

He just hates Jackson because he was white. :shake: It makes me sick

urgmasdaughter 07-08-2009 10:59 AM

Duh...
 
This is a no brainer how can you possibly go any other way than with the Beatles.

Duck Dog 07-08-2009 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5886252)
Nonsense.

That's like saying that I can't compare a Van Gogh painting to an Andy Warhol work. They can both be pleasing and annoying at the same time.

It's all in the eye (or ear, in this case) of the beholder.

True, but it's pretty hard to forget that Elvis invented the music that the others were spawn from. His title should be King of Music.

Reaper16 07-08-2009 11:09 AM

Elvis invented nothing, assholes. He was an effective swindler of black music, though.


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