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tooge 01-07-2010 09:12 AM
Actually, every successful coach in history, and come to think of it, GM's as well, look to add guys from their past to the team they are with now. When Marty left here he hired guys at other places that had worked with him here. When he came here he brought guys that were with him in Cle. Same for Vermiel. He brought in Trent Green, Eddie Kennison, Al Saunders, etc. Same with Herm. Quit making it our like the chiefs are doing anything different than any other team does. this is how it works in the NFL. You bring in guys you are familiar with. Nobody was calling this the Saint Louisification of the Chiefs in 2001 but Vermiel brought in just as many ex rams players and coaches as Pioli has. Stop making it such an issue

stanleychief 01-07-2010 09:48 AM
If we ever start emulating the Lions, can someone please shoot me? In the end it's all about wins and losses, individual talent and player stats don't mean a thing. See Oakland Raiders and Washington Redskins for further proof.

We'll see where they end up at the end of next year, but I'd put my money on the Chiefs having a better record.

In regards to the original post, I don't mind emulating successful regimes or even getting players from successful regimes. If it brings a winning attitude back to KC I'm all for it. The last two times we did it we made the playoffs as a result, which certainly beats the 2-14 and 4-12 suckfest we have endured the last few years.

Molitoth 01-07-2010 10:09 AM
Modeling ourselves after the best team in the decade is fine by me. Would you rather model our football team after the raiders or lions?

Idiot.

Rausch 01-07-2010 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by KC111110 (Post 6418306)
Why shouldn't we, the kc way hasn't really been working too great
There is no "KC way."

KC's way is to find another winning franchise and steal their way/coaches/players. Been like that since about 93...

Demonpenz 01-07-2010 10:15 AM
from 1999 until 2008 we were trying to emulate The Clippers

OnTheWarpath15 01-07-2010 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6418061)
OTWP, you are a smart dude and I'm with ya on a lot of your takes.

BUT MAN... you seem like you are MUCH more interested in being right about this team going down a endless path of suck so you can be right, rather than to see any chance of us improving and having reasons to be hopeful about a light at the end of the tunnel.

I know its hard to remain positive, at all, about the outlook of our beloved Chiefs, but damn, on a day we hired the best candidate for our OC job and have started to make moves to improve our defensive staff, you seem ready and anxious to shit on every move for any reason you can pull out of the sky.

Maybe Im off base and just plain wrong, but I am going off perception of a newer member of the board in my assumption.

Im not trying to attack you, just trying to understand why you seem to be devoid of objectivity on a few topics and seem clouded by hate on them.

Charlie Weis is a GREAT qb coach and his offenses got the most out of lacking talent in NE and he built a offensive powerhouse at ND.

The three qbs he coached were Tom Brady (multiple superbowl winner), Brady Quinn (first round pick) and Jimmy Clausen (likely top ten pick) thats pretty good stuff.
What in the blue **** are you talking about?

I've said numerous times that I'm not at all upset with the hire of Weis, and that he's a really good get for this organization.

Reading comprehension is not this place's strong suit, it appears.

OnTheWarpath15 01-07-2010 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6418418)
I was never backup you dumbass. And you don't know shit about football either.
Whatever you say, Jake.

Last chance. Still want to say you weren't a backup?

Brock 01-07-2010 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6418815)
What in the blue **** are you talking about?

I've said numerous times that I'm not at all upset with the hire of Weis, and that he's a really good get for this organization.

Reading comprehension is not this place's strong suit, it appears.
Why are you upset they hired Weis. Damn, man. Your negativity is out of control.

Frazod 01-07-2010 10:28 AM
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I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good.

Red Beans 01-07-2010 10:31 AM
What a bunch of shit. Enjoy the fact that we're bringing in successful coaches. So they've all had Patriot ties. Big freakin' deal, they've coached other places too. Get over it. It's progress and that's great in my book. Quit crying, pop that nipple out of your mouth, and look at the bright side. You want Herm back? No, didn't think so.

Rausch 01-07-2010 10:31 AM
Weis isn't my dream hire but I'm happy Haley won't be calling the plays next year. I doubted he'd get an OC. Figured he might get a QB coach and lighten his load but keep the playcalling duties.

Glad to see he won't be. I'm also glad to see we hired a proven coordinator instead of some young guy trying to make a name who could be easily pushed around by the HC/GM...

RustShack 01-07-2010 11:23 AM
The Patriots Way isn't really the Patriots way.. since they brought it all the former Jets and Browns like what we are doing with the Patriots.. and in ten years people are going to call it the Chiefs way(not saying SB's and all that)... but every GM and Coach brings in people they've worked with before. Its always been that way and always will be.

beach tribe 01-07-2010 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6417534)
Who gives a **** what "analysts" think?

Charlie Weis is a damn good offensive coordinator. Period. He'll bring so much to the Chiefs offensively that I would not be shocked to see us in the Top Ten next year.

Offense is all about play design. Cassel has limitations (as does every QB) but I fully expect Weis to design plays that will limit his deficiencies while creating plays that make him far more efficient.

Haley had some good ideas but he was stretched way too thin. He did a lot of stupid shit because there was no one around with a pedigree he respected to keep him in check. I guarantee that all those stupid, inappropriate trick plays and shit like trying a fake punt on your own 28 while only down one score has come to an end.

I'm shocked that anyone, ANYONE, can find a negative in his hiring.
Hell yeah.

This was a great hire.

TheGuardian 01-07-2010 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6418818)
Whatever you say, Jake.

Last chance. Still want to say you weren't a backup?
Where was I a backup at?

OnTheWarpath15 01-07-2010 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6419240)
Where was I a backup at?
According to the 2006 depth chart, Central.

2nd string WILL LB behind a sophomore.

And based on your paltry 39 tackles in 10 games the year before, I'd say you were a backup your Junior year as well. Your numbers at Coffeyville were quite impressive though, I must say.

As far as Central goes, there's no shame in it whatsoever. Hell, I'll admit it - I'm actually a bit jealous.

I had an offer to play at SEMO, was set up to graduate HS early and get down to Cape early to start classes and working out, and shredded my shoulder and knee in my last HS game. Football career over.

Here's the thing about this place: You're better off telling the truth, because people around here are ****ing scary good at digging up info - and if you lie, you'll never hear the end of it.

Just some friendly advice.

So, would you still like to say you weren't a backup?


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