So give CP 1.5 in the last how many year of his tenure and Pioli has hit on at leat 2 this draft class and maybe 2.5 with Arenas return ability. He woudl have to be a probowl type returner and that is possible.

Which won't do us much good if we can't score and can't stop people on defense because we lack game-changing starters.

Huh, what?

The best players on this team are all still from the Carl Peterson era.

ALL OF THEM. Dorsey, Charles, DJ, Flowers, Carr, Albert, etc. Barry Richardson is outclassing Pioli's golden boy right tackle, O'Failaghan. Even Carl's shitty leftovers, like Ron Edwards, are better than anything Pioli has signed at nose tackle. Wallace Gilberry? CARL. Andy Studebaker? CARL. Dustin Colquitt? CARL. DeMorrio Williams? CARL.

The only guy Pioli has produced that looks really good is Berry, and that was a no brainer. So was signing Chris Chambers.

Oh, he gets credit for Succop.

Pioli hasn't "hit" on any other draft picks so far. Arenas and McCluster didn't do anything to inspire confidence that they were the right picks in preseason. Maybe if they were 4th rounders...but not as 2nd rounders.

Did you not specify game changers? Stick to the topic.

Yeah, I did.

But the fact that guys like Studebaker are beating out ANYONE Pioli has signed or drafted only drives home my point.

HE HAS A LOT TO ****ING PROVE.

And once again another CP myth rears it's ugly head. Yes we should have drafted a bust NT tackle instead of a playmaker.

McCluster was worth the pick, deal with it. Your analysis of him in this article is ****ing Ignorant. ****ing ignorant. I will say it again ****ING IGNORANT.

If what you have seen out of McCluster doesn't inspire you, you are ****ING IGNORANT.

We're learning pretty quickly that the 2009 offseason was a season to forget. I don't agree at all that this means you use 2010 as a panic reaction to cover up for your previous mistakes. Nor does it mean that you set ridiculous standards for rookies. McCluster doesn't need to be Percy Harvin today. He needs to develop into a Percy Harvin within 2 years. I don't see why that makes him a bust because he scrounges up 500 yards, let's say, which is actually terrific production for a rookie. Especially a second rounder.

I just want this team to get better. And the young guys deserve time to get better. Pioli ****ed up big time in 2009. But if we continue to improve in 2010 and beyond, I'm wiping the slate clean. And I don't see how anyone can look at the preseason as any justification that we should be nervous about the 2010 draft class not contributing. Berry, McCluster, Arenas, Kendrick Lewis... probably Asamoah down the road. If you look at this as a single class and not as a class that's supposed to make us forget 2010, you'll realize that they have potential to be very solid contributors to this team within the next 2-3 years.

I should be inspired by 7 catches for 40 yards?

****ing ignorant? I'm just clarifying.

I agree completely.

Pioli needs McCluster to be Percy Harvin today, though

He needs something GOOD to happen. It would do something for his reputation.

If mccluster starts tearing it up and arenas is returning tds and making people look foolish, nobody is going to remember what round they got picked in

I am not going to continue to argue McCluster with you. After you have shot your wad and made your tribute video by half season you will be singing a different tune and saying hey I was wrong, I'm glad.

You have become Mecca Light.

Why should you? You don't have half a leg to stand on.

McCluster is a lot closer to Kris Wilson 2.0 than Percy Harvin right now in terms of actual offensive production.

You are making yourself sound dumber by the post. Chris Wilson? Was Chris Wilson also a return guy and a RB as well as a receiver?

Did Chris Wilson avg 6.9 yards per carry on 12 carries in any preseason?

I also like the way you edited my post.

GoChiefs, you can't necessarily look at his production based on statistics. Especially when you consider that our receivers' stats are reliant on Matt Cassel finding open receivers and hitting them in stride. By the way, he's also rushed for 100 yards on fairly limited carries.

What I've seen this preseason is that Weis has been using him all over the place. So when people call him a matchup nightmare, I don't see why he couldn't be, even if he's not a 1,000 yard guy. The guy's lining up in the slot, in the backfield, and he's showing he can be a legit threat from either spot. And I doubt that Weis has come even close to showing his hand in terms of the creative ways they plan to use him.

No, we haven't seen enough to say he's worth the pick. But you can't possibly tell me that you haven't seen hints that he's going to be as electric as a lot of experts seem to think he'll be.