You still haven't rebutted anything I've said.

You're pointing to past history being an indicator that 3-4 DE isn't worthy of a Top 5, while agreeing with somebody in this thread that said that they are.

I just have no idea what you're arguing.

Give me something, man.

And yet, according to Direckshun, 3-4 DE is so much tougher to scout than QB.

For the second time... When?

I'm pretty sure Direckshun is the same guy who gave our 2009 draft an A+...

he's a little out there

Because Reggie and Bruce are the norm when discussing 3-4 DEs. That's why they were drafted 20+ years ago.

The logic goes, according to you, that the reason so few 3-4 DEs are drafted top 5 is because they're tough to scout. ROFL

You've lost me.

Why? Shouldn't more data allow you to have a more-informed opinion?

3-4 ends get drafted in the top 5 about as much as safeties.

...they have to be a generational talent, not something that comes around every year or two.

Safeties that are worth top five picks are ones that dominate the deep ball and are a dependable run defender...they also have to have the ability to play man coverage against almost anybody.

Basically, to be a top 5 pick playing a position that is not the most important you have to transcend your given position. You have to be a dominant prospect in almost all the areas you will be responsible for in the NFL and are expected to make an impact fairly soon...not much development should be expected of a player at an unimportant position because they are overdrafted because of rare, freakish ability.

Most DTs take 2-3 years to develop in the NFL...but Suh has stepped right in and made a difference from day one. He has rare physical gifts that allow players like him to step in and play well from the get go. He would have done similarly in a 3-4 because the responsibilities are similar.

Berry has done this as well (though he has made some big mistakes in the early part of the season, something he will surely work on and not repeat...I bet he plays against Gates much better in the second meeting and better each time thereafter) He has been a stout run defender and has basically taken away the long ball so far this year...think about how many times we were targeted in the deep ball last year and in years before that and then try to think about how many times we have had that problem this year...that is because teams are aware of him being back there. This also holds true with long runs. Think of how many big ones we gave up in the last few years and then think about how many we have surrendered this year...yeah, not too many. HUGE difference.

This is why I also think Moeaki would have been a top 15 pick at TE if he had stayed healthy in Iowa...he is very good in every area of a generally unimportant position. Those kind of guys are VERY VERY RARE.

Hope that helps, direckshun

You may be right, though it also could be too early to tell for sure.

I guess we'll find out for sure when we face a team like Tennessee, or say Pittsburgh or NYJ in the playoffs.

The only team we've faced with a consistent running game hit us for 6 yards a pop.

Yeah, because it's not like we spent 4 months talking about these prospects.

It's not as difficult as you might think.

Um not really. I'm sure you're talking about Houston. We shut them down running. They had one long run by Ward that skewed the stats.

And 49ers, Jags, and Cleveland aren't consistent running teams?

He's acknowledged that the 2 best players in the history of that position were worth a top 5 pick in retrospect. Buying a winning powerball ticket is smart after the fact. That doesn't mean that playing the lottery is smart.

In retrospect, we might learn that Ryan Succop was a better player than Tyson Jackson. That doesn't mean that we should have drafted Succop at 3.

So if all us should appolize for Moekai, when all of you dumbasses going to appolize to us who were right about Sanchez?