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whoman69 12-08-2011 01:37 PM
Short term there is no doubt this hurts the Cardinals. I think the last two years were off years as he was pushing, not the old Albert. I expect him to come back and be that dominant player for a few more years. That said, not signing him opens the Cardinals to be able to afford another pitcher and outfielder. It probably allows them to re-sign Furcal at a lower price than the $12million they did not excercise on him.

DeezNutz 12-08-2011 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8180790)
By all accounts, we won't.

And yeah, I'm kinda pissed about that.

We're going to do a really really stupid thing and throw a bunch of money at Jimmy !@#$ing Rollins.

Albert could've at least done this 2 weeks ago so we could have Reyes instead. Ugh, I'm already preparing myself for the Rollins deal and I'm not happy about it. I'm thinking we'll see 4 years/$64 million.

{sigh}
Really? Ugh. Not a back-breaking contract, but it's also far from great.

We'll have to see what he ends up signing for, but I honestly believe that Fielder is getting undervalued in a lot of discussions amongst fans because of his body type. Though he looks the part of the fat slob, his performance, athleticism, and longevity argue otherwise.

He's one of the few FA whom I believe could actually earn the type of FA dollars that he's going to see.

L.A. Chieffan 12-08-2011 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8180919)
Yeah, I guess I'm so dumb that I think $104,000,000 (Cardinals 2011 payroll) is less than $138,000,000 (LAA 2011 payroll). LMAO

What else you got, cockchugger?
i thought we were talking about the broke dick dodgers you dumb****?

if you compared dollars spent on payroll to actual size of population i bet shit louis is right up there with ny and boston

Swanman 12-08-2011 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8180925)
Short term there is no doubt this hurts the Cardinals. I think the last two years were off years as he was pushing, not the old Albert. I expect him to come back and be that dominant player for a few more years. That said, not signing him opens the Cardinals to be able to afford another pitcher and outfielder. It probably allows them to re-sign Furcal at a lower price than the $12million they did not excercise on him.
Losing Albert (unless they sign someone like Fielder) gives the Cardinals the ability to get Allen Craig's bat in the lineup every day, either at first or in right field if Berkman plays first. While he wouldn't put up typical Pujols numbers, if he picks up from last year's postseason, they won't be too far off, especially given Craig basically makes minimum wage. And he hopefully won't ground into 3,925 double plays like Albert did.

L.A. Chieffan 12-08-2011 01:41 PM
oh and i like how you completely ignore your origins of being a cardinal fan. maybe because your a pussy bandwagon fan? HMMM??

dont worry you still have time to come up with story about how your great grandpappy took you to go see bob gibson or some shit

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-08-2011 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8180191)
I pointed this out to a friend of mine, but the Cardinals evidently tried several times over the last 3 years to re-sign him and every time he said he wouldn't sign for less than A-Rod got.

Well if you sign him to that deal three years ago, you take an extra $9 million/season and apply it to him. What did Berkman make this year? Exactly - $9 million. Do we make the playoffs, let alone win the WS, without Lance Berkman? No, not even close.

So you can argue that we should've extended him 3 years ago if you'd like, but you have to also recognize that we probably don't win the World Series this year if we did.

The Cardinals did the right thing here, IMO. They extracted maximum value from his prime years and made a damn reasonable offer.

He took the money. They always take the money.
This assumes an absolute cap on the payroll this year.

kcpasco 12-08-2011 01:43 PM
Been to LA once, hated it

garbage and illegals everywhere

L.A. Chieffan 12-08-2011 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 8180942)
Been to LA once, hated it

garbage and illegals everywhere
how insightful

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-08-2011 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 8180303)
pretty sure that's not going to happen. a few years after he retires, everyone will welcome him back with open arms.
**** him. He's an entire tier below Bronco Neil. At least Bronco Neil was chasing a title.

Frazod 12-08-2011 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8180932)
i thought we were talking about the broke dick dodgers you dumb****?

if you compared dollars spent on payroll to actual size of population i bet shit louis is right up there with ny and boston
I'm sorry, but last time I checked it was the Angles that signed Pujols, not the Dodgers.

And while the Dodgers have the lowest payroll of the "big market" teams, they also had a moron owner who bankrupted the organization. I don't think you can pin that one on St. Louis.

What else?

Frazod 12-08-2011 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8180938)
oh and i like how you completely ignore your origins of being a cardinal fan. maybe because your a pussy bandwagon fan? HMMM??

dont worry you still have time to come up with story about how your great grandpappy took you to go see bob gibson or some shit
LMAO

Grew up in central Missouri, rooted for them all my life.

You've now officially passed Hootie stupid and are threatening to pass even Wickedson stupid.

Anything else?

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-08-2011 01:50 PM
DJ is right. The sense of betrayal doesn't come from him leaving, it comes from him leaving after the ten years of shit he's shoveled about his values and the city.

Just another mercenary, but one without the gumption to admit what he really is. If you're gonna be a greedy bastard, just say it, don't be a ****ing coward and hide behind values for 10 years.

Carlota69 12-08-2011 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8180221)
Not if they offered him the league minimum, no.

But by all accounts the Cardinals offered him a hell of a reasonable deal, one that trumped the Marlins deal anyway. All he did was use that to drive up the Angels.

He took the highest bid and left a city that would've revered the man in his wake. And why? So he can pass $150 million onto his children instead of $120 million.

He'll say it was about respect and wanting to feel appreciated - they always do. But in the end, the man that said he wanted to retire a Cardinal chased the money. He was given a reasonable offer and he still spit on it.

The Cardinals, despite all his words, amounted to little more than laundry and a paycheck. The Angels offered a bigger one, so he took it.
Of course take this with a grain of salt, but I read he was offered 10/275 by the Marlins, but the NTC was a deal breaker..STL offered less than Then the Angels, something like 9/198 vs 10/25-260.

Frazod 12-08-2011 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8180947)
**** him. He's an entire tier below Bronco Neil. At least Bronco Neil was chasing a title.
Dude, it's not like he went to the Cubs or the Reds.

I mean, if he had to go anywhere, better he goes to a team nobody gives a shit about in another league.

Carlota69 12-08-2011 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8180296)
This just in. The Angels have just paid for Pujols' first year salary in jersey sales.
LMAO Thats probably close to true.


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