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pugsnotdrugs19 02-14-2016 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart (Post 12081858)
Well what about the Donkey game vs New England?

Who didn't destroy their line that day?

Bambi 02-14-2016 06:09 PM

This thread should be titled "NFL's best OLB: Von Miller or Derrick Thomas"

Then you'd have a legitimate poll.

milkman 02-14-2016 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 12081944)
This thread should be titled "NFL's best OLB: Von Miller or Derrick Thomas"

Then you'd have a legitimate poll.

Uh.....No.
We all loved DT, but he is not the best.

Most would argue LT.
I would argue Bobby Bell.

Bambi 02-14-2016 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12081948)
Uh.....No.
We all loved DT, but he is not the best.

Most would argue LT.
I would argue Bobby Bell.

I meant between Miller and Thomas.

That's a legit poll compared to this one.

MagicHef 02-14-2016 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12081725)
Did you miss all the weed drama and inconsistent motor his first 3yrs ? You live out here as well and I'm sure you saw every game. Why all the venom man ?

Inconsistent motor? You may have signatures disabled, so I'll quote mine here:

"With a sack in 63.3% of his games, SB MVP Von Miller is the most consistent pass rusher in NFL history."

Pick any great pass rusher, past or present. Von is more consistent than him.

kccrow 02-14-2016 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 12081944)
This thread should be titled "NFL's best OLB: Von Miller or Derrick Thomas"

Then you'd have a legitimate poll.

Why are you here?

Really, the only thing you do is criticize everything related to Chiefs. All of their players are shit. Broncos are Gods. Even stats can't convince you.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-14-2016 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 12081988)
Inconsistent motor? You may have signatures disabled, so I'll quote mine here:

"With a sack in 63.3% of his games, SB MVP Von Miller is the most consistent pass rusher in NFL history."

Pick any great pass rusher, past or present. Von is more consistent than him.

Yet if you make it sacks per START, Houston edges Miller out with 0.87 sacks per game started.

Seems like a better gauge, but hey.

Shaid 02-14-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12082082)
Yet if you make it sacks per START, Houston edges Miller out with 0.87 sacks per game started.

Seems like a better gauge, but hey.

A better gauge would be how often they each get a sack when rushing the passer. Houston plays in coverage more often then Von which is obvious from his dominance in passes defended.

Von also had the benefit of being in more rushing situations because he played opposite of an explosive offense for a couple years. When other teams have to play catchup, they are in obvious passing situations much more often.

I still give Von the edge in pass rushing though. I just think Houston is more complete.

MagicHef 02-14-2016 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12082082)
Yet if you make it sacks per START, Houston edges Miller out with 0.87 sacks per game started.

Seems like a better gauge, but hey.

It's sad that you still don't understand that I'm not measuring sacks per game.

Rain Man 02-14-2016 09:25 PM

For the first couple of years, Von Miller was facing Matt "Fetal" Cassel, while Houston was facing a pre-mortem Manning. Miller was guaranteed some sacks that Houston didn't have an opportunity to get.

jspchief 02-14-2016 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12081797)
And that wouldn't be true. Manning vs. Brady can be debated upon forever.

Lol. No.

Bambi 02-14-2016 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12082074)
Why are you here?

Really, the only thing you do is criticize everything related to Chiefs. All of their players are shit. Broncos are Gods. Even stats can't convince you.

Football is the sport where stats mean the least.

As far as Broncos vs Chiefs players...

I'm a Chiefs fan. But I struggle to find one single position on offense or defense where I'd choose a Chiefs player over a Broncos.

They draft better and sign better free agents. Sorry if that hurts your sensitive feelings.

DaneMcCloud 02-14-2016 09:33 PM

IMO, Houston is more of a well-rounded OLB that can also rush the passer. Miller is an excellent pass rush specialist and game changer.

I'd be happy to have either or both on my team but if I'm asked to choose or compare, Houston is Kevin Greene and Miller is Lawrence Taylor.

Neither is a bad choice.

GloryDayz 02-14-2016 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 12082214)
Football is the sport where stats mean the least.

As far as Broncos vs Chiefs players...

Denver has a better owner.

FYP

pugsnotdrugs19 02-15-2016 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 12082171)
It's sad that you still don't understand that I'm not measuring sacks per game.

No, no, I get it, you're measuring percentage of games in which he had at least a single sack. It's cool.

But what I'm saying is Houston sacks the quarterback at a higher rate than Miller when considering rush attempts or games started. Also cool.


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