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GloryDayz 11-01-2016 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12521913)
I think more and more people are starting to put this together, particularly with the glut of college graduates these days. I'm hearing it a lot more and totally agree with it.

I think there are several issues about college that aren't discussed as much yet as they should be. Everyone talks about the cost of college, and it's certainly increased, but at the same time a local public university is not unaffordable.

I think the bigger issues around college are that the pressures of going to college are overwhelming the rational decision about whether to do it. As you mention, some people simply don't want the careers that college points them to. But society pushes the college route so hard that people feel compelled to go even if they're not interested in it, or frankly in some cases not academically a good fit.

And the second issue is that so many people are going to college that I think we're getting a glut of graduates now. The most telling example is law school, which is a nightmare scenario right now, but it's also true of other degree programs as well. So that lowers the value of a college degree because you're competing with a lot of people who have similar degrees.

And of course third is the cheapening of college degrees through private sector schools and other things.

Somewhere along the line, it seems like our society decided that that a career isn't prestigious if it doesn't require a degree, and that everyone should hold a degree. Neither of those is true.

I am guilty if this. But unapologetic about it too. From a very young age my sons knew/know that being a freshman in college is what comes after 12th grade. Sorry to offend but in 2016 it's an arrow you need in your quiver unless you know you'd can't make the grades. That being said, it didn't take much pushing with son #1 as he transitioned from the baseball/football/wrestling "athlete" to the band (learning music is mandatory in this house, he just loved it too)/robotics/tennis/Eagle Scout (mandatory if you want to drive in this house)/physics-and-academics "student" by 9th grade. THAT being said, I've made it very clear to him that while I expect he goes to college, having a great time while there, and trying other things is perfectly fine too (hence a couple a changes in majors). It's tough out there, and if he wants to try construction once he's done that's fine, but having a degree in your pocket is kind of important if you want a career instead of a job.

lewdog 11-01-2016 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 12522466)
Hmmm. I have to certify to advance. So I work and cert. Work and cert. Work and cert.

Doesn't work like that for therapists. Schooling determines your level and pay. Have a bachelor's and you'll only ever been an assistant. Can't be a speech therapy assistant in any medical setting because swallowing therapy is such a liability, only actual speech therapists can have medical jobs. Physical therapy assistants can work in any setting but can't do evals or write goals. They just follow a plan of care that a therapist writes.

Iowanian 11-01-2016 08:15 PM

I have been a big proponent of young people looking at the trades for quite a while. There are several great career options with minimal schooling and aging and declining workforces.

Welders, linemen, electricians, hvac....specialty carpenters, equipment operators....lots of options.

That said, I blindsided some of my melenials today with some late day news, and they stepped up and volunteers to do whatever was needed. I'm very proud of them today. I have some good ones.

TrebMaxx 11-01-2016 08:26 PM

I have three new millennials in my office and really they have been great. I like that they can ask about something, receive the answer and retain what was told to them. They all have aspirations to move on to bigger and better things but hell so did I at their age.

BWillie 11-02-2016 03:10 PM

I'd rather you just give me the money.


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