IDK man, but I'm rolling to a gunsmith tomorrow, see if he can get it out. Super excited about getting my gun dura-coated, just sucks that I won't have it back for like a month, lol.

Thanks for the opinions



No thanks to you smarta**.

:Poke:


:p

yup, I saw the one about Military channel's ultimate weapons, won their top ten CQB weapons list. I just mentioned here hoping to get my hands on one someday soon. I had seen one before, but not fired it and didn't know about the recoil system until the program.

I'm close to buying an on duty pistol. I need to sell my tactical mossberg shotgun first though. I never shot it anyways. I'm more into a gun I can actually take out to the range and have fun with. I'll get a Remington someday. So if anyone wants a mossberg 18.5" barrel w/ extra pistol grip it's for sale.

Anyways here's the pistol im seriously interested in.

http://www.budspolicesupply.com/cata...products_id=65

Thoughts?

Heh. My sarcasm meter has been so far out of whack this last week its actually pretty pathetic. Got me.:thumb:

LMAO Thanks for being a good sport!

Heh, this just needed to be posted in this thread. :)

http://img.hobowars.com/fn_photos/l_16366_1a1fa.jpg

In mo. you cant carry a sidearm during bow season. Heard a report about a black climbing into a hunters dear stand(radio) and the guy was screamin so loud his huntin partner thought he was being eaten.LMAO

LMAO Poor guy.

Same hunting show had a report of a Mnt. Lion being killed up around you about the same time.
Never heard anything else.

Probably all kinds of wild shit round here.We hike at Taum Sauk and Johnson Shut ins all the time and I'm pretty certain there's some wild cats of some type all around that area.

Probably migrate right up from AR. through Shannon & Oregon Co. right over the Devils Backbone and boom youre in populated areas.

Wouldn't surprise me any.

You pack in the woods?

Not really,just mainly St Joe,St Francois,Hawn etc... We do that 12 mile hike from Taum Sauk to the shut ins a few times a year and camp out about half way through sometimes.We can do it in a day,but we like to take our time and just take it easy.

My red dot sight (Lucid HD7) arrived yesterday...very cool. At first when I mounted it, it was leaning a tiny bit to the right and it was off center because of it. So I switched the tightening screws around - put the tightening nuts on the left instead of the right - and that fixed it. I can't get out to the range until next weekend though.

How much for the moss?

I like the look of it and liked how it felt in my hand (changeable grips was nice), but I didn't like the trigger. I was looking at the 9mm and ended up going with a Sig Pro 2022 instead mostly because of the trigger.

Here's the 40 version...http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/14910

I finally pulled the trigger and bought a mosin nagant from buds $103. Hopefully everything is good on it. I'm excited to see it, clean it and fire it.

For a CP member I'd let it go for $225. Bought it new in janurary for $275. I've shot probably 100 rounds through it. Nothing wrong with it, I'd just rather have something I can take out to the range regularly.

Summit Gun Broker is selling used Glock 40 cals for $365. I assume they're police trades.

I'm not a Glock guy (I prefer single/doubles), but that seems like a pretty good deal. Unfortunately he's out of the HKs.

Damn me for just buying that nagant.

Link?

Another thing I noticed - used 4x Trijicon ACOG scope for $600. Those things are outrageously expensive new.

http://www.summitgunbroker.com/AR15__Acog.html

Damn good price...wonder how much hell they've been through.

My HK was a police trade. It has some noticeable holster wear, but my FFL guy is a retired cop and range master, and when he examined it he estimated that it hadn't had more than 300 rounds put through it. It'll last forever.

Just saw this, already sent a PM about specs. is it the 500 pump with a pistol grip?

I have a police trade S&W .4006 and it's a pretty nice gun. It's nice to know the person your getting it from though. In the next month or so I'm getting a S&W .4506 from the same guy and it's premo (even better than the .4006). Only shot once a year for his in service training. In WV troops are given first dibs on their service weapons when they change out and can get additional ones through a lottery. They are changing out to S&W M&P .45's.

Checked the link and damn it looks like the one I have that went through a tour in Iraq. A little dinged up here and there, but I will say it is one kick ass scope. These things are built right and built to last.

Yeah, right now it has the regular butt stock. The pistol grip comes with it though. Actually just put a shell holder on it. The gun holds 5+1, so all I gotta say is

Come at me bro.

It's the black color, safety on top, bead sight, 18.5" barrel, extended mag. I can't hit the broad side of a barn with it but my father was blowing everything up with.

I'm tempted, but that's just too much money right now.

something like this?

Close, it is the basic stock and the grip can't be put on with the buttstock.

I'm on my phone, but somewhere in this thread is the picture of it. Not sure what page its on but it was around janurary 3rd. If you can't find it I'll have my wife take a photo and put it on here.

Maybe it isn't in this one, it's in the show me your arms thread. Give me a few and I'll take a picture of it.

Here she is, even dropped 10 bucks.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/39622

I hear you on that. I was lucky in more ways than one. Bought the ACOG for my nephew for his tour and was lucky that he was able to come back and hand it back to me. I don't think I would have ever bought one for myself due to the high price but at the same time now that I have one, I love it!

I think you got yourself a deal, how do you want to go about the exchange. I'm in st. Louis, will travel to meet halfway.

You know what sucks about buying ammo online....shipping. It will cost $17 just to ship five 20 rnd boxes of 7.62 x 54r ammo. Damn boxes are only $5 a piece.

Yeah, if I buy ammo online I bite 'the bullet' and order 1000 instead of 100. Shipping won't be much different and I only cry once. OR I add a few boxes of ammo to an existing order of something else from Midway. If I'm buying gun parts, cleaner, cases/holsters, etc...shipping price will be pretty much the same with or without the ammo.

Anyone interested in a ATN 330 Aries night warrior/ Night vision scope? I dont use it anymore. Gave up tracking bad men in South America. So it needs a new home.
Its a first generation scope. works well out 130 yards or so. Has an illumination light that mounts to the top of the scope.

http://images1.opticsplanet.com/640-...rmkwarni-2.jpg

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Specification
Total darkness tech Standard
Magnification 3x
Intensifier tube High res.1st Gen
Detection range 150 m
Recognition range 100 m
Lens system 6 element, F1.2, 85mm
FOV 14 deg.
Diopter adjustment +/- 5
Resolution 40 lp/mm
Power supply One 3 volt lithium
Range of focus 5' to infinity
Reticle Chevron or range finder
Controls Direct
Battery life 10-20 hours
Dimensions 230 x 100 x 105
9" x 4" x 4.1"
Weigh 1.1 kg (2.45 lbs


$200.00 plus shipping
works great on AR-flat tops, pumps or any semi auto . not so good with bolt actions. it will work with bolt actions,but you will have to have the bolt handle bent by a gun smith

I bought four boxes (80 total rnds) of 7.62 x 54r at $5 a box with $18 in shipping.

Two weeks ago I bought 500 rounds of 7.62 x39 for $110 with the $18 in shipping.

I'm going to kick myself in a month when I have to buy more mosin nagant ammo, should have bit the bullet, cried all day and bought the 440 rnd tin can for $110

Some questions:

What is the magnification?
Is it functional in daylight, or just at night?

X 3. & you can use it in the day time.It has the day cap for the lens. But I wouldn't take it out in the sun if I could avoid it. That goes for all night vision equipment. Any sun light is bad bad bad.

I guess as long as this is bumped, here's the latest rendition.

Gone are the flash suppressor, grip/light combo and bulky UTG rail guards. Added are the sling mount and sling, Miculek compensator, ladder style rail covers, back up iron sights, and TrebMaxx's bipod.

So it basically falls into the really-cool-toy-with-no-practical-applications-unless-you're-a-****ing-commando category, right?

Pretty much. It works great for hunting yotes at night.

I'd definitely put it on some quick change mounts atleast!

That sounds like a great idea. Doesn't seem like the type of thing you'd want on a rifle all the time.


Live Steam, I'm going to mull this over for a while and hope somebody else jumps on it and saves me from my **** YEAH BUY IT demons.

But I can only hold them at bay for so long. :D

Im not advertising it anywhere but hear.

Question for you AR experts out there. I have scoped my AR with a 3-9 scope, but left the original front sight on the gun. Should that be removed before shooting it in or will the scope just "look beyond" the front sight and make no difference. Also when you attach the scope rings do you torque them to spec or just tighten them down?

Thanks in advance.

I left my front sight alone. I dont see it at all through my scope.

Took me awhile, but I put the original wood stock back on the Sks. It has a black synthetic stock with a pistol grip also. I loved the synthetic stock but I also dig the original wood stock. I'm torn as to which one I want to leave on permanently.

Couldnt get the damn handgaurd to come off, had to leave it black.

That is very tempting for hunting wild hogs. Unfortunately I can't see myself having the time to go hog hunting in the near future but wish I did.

Looks great. I think it looks better now than it did with the flashlight vertical grip you had. If I may offer another sugestion it would be to add just a plain old, lightest weight vertical grip. But really, what you have is looking sharp, lite, and highly functional.

Thanks. As far as the grip goes, I really didn't care for it. I might at some point give the Magpul angled grip a try, but I'm fine with the feel of it as is.

How hard is it to clean cosmoline off a gun? It doesn't seem tough, but I'm worried about disassembling the bolt and trigger assembly. Is it possible to just dump the both parts in spirits and clean them with a brush or is it best to disassemble the parts completely?

You can go the solvent route, and that works ok if it's just a thin layer, but there's cosmoline, and there's COSMOLINE.

I know a lot of guys have great success with very hot water or steam. Sure beats using solvents for many tasks.

Here's a link to some tips.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...line/index.asp

It's not that bad to clean off but what you must know is that cosmoline protects, not lube. Clean and lube all parts, then hit the range.

Thanks for the tips.

It looks like I'll disassemble all the metal, use a steamer on it and then dump it in a bucket of hot soapy water. I'll than scrub all the hard to reach areas with a toothbrush. Repeat that a couple times and than oil the parts.

For the wood, I'll either steam it, wipe off, repeat or bake it in the oven.

Wish me luck...afraid I'm going to either break a metal piece or ruin the wood.

EDIT: I'm alittle concerned with the removal from the wood. Wouldn't steaming it hurt the wood?

I wrap all the wood in paper towels & set it out in the sun for a few hours. flipping it over now & then,so all sides get ampule sun & heat. Then I move on to mineral spirits.. Some will move on to their dish washer next. Ive seen a few really really nice CMP 30 carbines that went threw the old dish washer then onto sanding & refurbishing the stock. The dishwasher will pull out all those nasty dings as well as all the goop that is deep in the wood.
I recommend not letting the wife catch ya using her dish washer. She may not understand you loving that old Mil surplus rifle as much as her.

Yes steaming will bleach it out. But its worth it. If its a rifle you really like & wanna show off. Then go for it. If it a Commy rifle then get some Russian tong oil.
What kind of rifle are we talking about ?

Hear is great example by FLYENBRAIN off the THR web site.
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/v...Picture030.jpg

You can take a MAP GAS torch & carefully flam out tiger stripes some call it Zebra stripes,on the wood. Something I have always liked.

I put stock/stock pieces in a black trash bag, laying on a few layers of newspaper or paper towels. Then I set that atop some more newspaper on the dash of my old pickup on a sunny day, roll up the windows. Come out every few hours to wipe the goop off the wood. Today it's going to be mid-90's around here, you should be able to bake a lot of cosmoline out that wood on a day this warm. Price is right.

The steam is just a carrier for the heat. The heat is what gets it off, not the water. If you'd like to heat it up a different way, that's ok.

Also keep in mind that the gun likely has a finish already on the wood, and it's quite able to withstand use in the rain/snow/etc depending on it's actual military use.

A few minutes in some steam won't ruin a gun finish, but it will greatly aid the removal of the cosmoline.

There are things that look like cosmoline that aren't, too, but those generally come off with heat as well.

Thinking about picking this up:

http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/...s/purelop2.gif

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...1b4b6064e14804

Rock River Arms Elite Operator2. Anyone have any experience with it (or the operator2 line in general)? I love the mid-length gas system though I wish it had quad-rails. Looks like a nice shooting gun and RRA has developed a hell of a name for itself.

Thoughts?

good sale on Green tip XM855 5.56/ $149.99/ 420 rounds plus stripper clip's
http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-301...ammmo-can.aspx
http://www.targetsportsusa.com/image...edium/3014.jpg




lil chart I found on THR

Ammo Velocity Energy
40gr Fiocchi Hornady V-Max, 3353fps 999
Fiochhi 50gr V-max 2.250", 2923fps 949
Hornady 55gr V-max 2.238", 2875fps 1010
Federal 55gr FMJ BP223BL 2.193", 2980fps 1085
Federal 55gr XM193F, Brown Box, 3141fps 1205
Federal American Eagle 55gr FMJ Tactical XM193c, 3158fps 1218
Wolf 55gr FMJ 2.245", 2882fps 1015
Winchester White Box 55gr FMJ Q3131, 3096fps 1171
55gr PMC Bronze FMJ Ammo (PMC223A) 2.245", 2760fps 931
55gr Fiocchi FMJ Ammo (223A) 2.218", 2826fps 976
55gr Fiocchi Pointed Soft Point Ammo (223B) 2.185" 2834fps 981
55gr DRS FMJ Ammo (DRS223FMJ) 2.240", 3219fps 1266
55gr DRS Soft Point Ammo (DRS223SP) 2.225", 3222fps 1268
62gr Prvi Partizan SS109 XM855 2.240", 2990fps 1231
62gr American Tactical Imports SS-109 Penetrator (ATI556SS109) 2.240", 2990fps 1231
62gr Lithuanian Military SS109 Penetrator (GGGSS109) 2.253" 2997fps 1237
62gr Fiocchi FMJ BT Ammo (223C) 2.240", 2653fps 969
62gr Silver Bear JSP, 2903fps, 1029

I have no experience with it,but that wouldn't stop me from being confidant about buying anything from RRA. I see more & more RRA equipment at the range every year. They are doing something right

Hmmmm...free shipping too.

Them dam ammo boxes come in handy to. long after the rounds are all shot up.
I didnt see the free shipping so thats a big +

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-202...mmunition.aspx

That's a little bit better price per round, by $0.023. But no ammo box.

Picked up the rifle. It's a 1924 Hex reciever Mosin Nagant, didn't look at it enough to see if it was Tula or the other one.

Spent three hours cleaning all the metal inside and out. I than steamed the wood parts and screwed up on the handguard. It left a blueish type strip on the guard. The stock still needs more steam, which I'll do tonight.

This is my first time taking this gun apart and the bolt is causing me trouble. Again, I'll figure it out tonight. I also messed up the trigger pull and I really hope a piece fell out of the trigger assembly. I found a tiny pencil led type piece on the cement that I hope is the problem.

It didn't have near as much grease as I thought it would. Here's how I cleaned it.

Hot Soapy water (dumped all the metal parts in it), scrubbed these parts with a toothbrush, sprayed brake cleaner and a degreaser type substance on it, wiped off and oiled them up.

For the stock and handgaurd, I steamed them, it seemed like nothing was coming off though. But you could tell it was doing its job.

Their is a vid on how to use a pop can tin as a shim to lighten the trigger on the 91/30. I will try & find it
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That seems like a pretty good deal. You wouldn't need to upgrade the quad, grip or stock, and it has a built-in front sight. Pick up a rear fold-down sight and some sort of red dot sight and you'll be good to go.

My favorite cheap trigger trick. Is the Mini 14 staple trick. It works like a charm.
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Comes with a free rear sight. I'm going to go with the stand-alone sight because I want an eotech reflex sight at some point and this would leave the top rail open w/o a handgrip in the way.

My only concern is that I couldn't mount a gangster grip exactly where I wanted to (it would be pretty far forward with the 1/2 rail). Otherwise it's pretty much perfect.

Bought a Ruger SR1911 this week. Can't wait to shoot it. Anyone out there have one of these? They just came out this month.

I had the gangster grip with the tactical flashlight, mounted forward on the bottom quad at basically the same place you'd have to mount yours. While I found it to be very cool on the internet and it looked great mounted on the rifle, I also found it to be fairly useless for actually firing the rifle. Mine is currently residing in the spare parts drawer.

Cool does not equal functional. I'm not going to be going on any commando raids any time soon, and since I have common-wall neighbors on either side of my condo, a rifle that could kill somebody two units away is not the gun I'll go for as a home defender (unless it's zombie apocalyse time and I don't give a shit about errant rounds). I shoot this gun at the range, and at the range all the cool gizmos just get in the way.

But buying this stuff and farting around with it is a fun part of the process, so knock yourself out. I certainly don't want to discourage you from doing that.

I felt like it was much easier to shoot my gun with the vertical grip. Of course I haven't shot it at the range yet, I was just destroying bricks, an old computer and an old DVD player with it from about 40 yards out on my friend's property. Disintegrated a couple of xbox games too - that was fun. I can see how a vertical grip could be useless when shooting from prone or behind a bench at the range, though.

If you really want a grip, DJ, I would get the grip pod which turns into a bipod with a press of button. The bipod isn't going to be as good as the real deal, but it's a sweet compromise if you ask me.

I might try one of the Magpul angled grips. There's a gun store in the area that specializes in ARs - I'm sure they'll have one mounted on something so I can get the feel of it before buy it.

Magpul dudes know what they're doing, I'm sure you'll like it.

Yeah, I love all my Magpul stuff. ACS stock, all my mags and the BAD lever. They've got their shit together.

Yeah, it's silly, but for $10 I had to have it. Zombie Killer ejection door. :D

http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/...ing-p-432.html

http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/...Killer_LRG.jpg