I was thinking about this too. He drafted McNabb the first offseason IIRC he was there.

Or it could end up.................well, like the Chiefs. ROFL

Yes but Mortensen also said we should take Joeckel because there are no franchise Qb in this draft.

Yeah I think McNabb played like 8 games that year or some shit then tore up his knee.

i cant sit through another wasted season with a veteran shitty QB for another offseason chance at drafting a QB.

so youre saying we have to wait until the year 2014.

**** that ****ing garbage

It will be the norm, we will be just out of range, or not worth trading up etc.


More things change.

If Smith does come here, I absolutely think they are still going to take a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

They should, dunno if they will or not.

What are your thoughts on A Smith?

I believe they'll have a rookie and a vet, without a doubt. I'd be nice if the vet wasn't someone we had to trade for

Cassell 2.0

The only reason smith was good was because he had a all pro line, a all pro defense, and some good weapons on offense.

I hate him pretty much.

The only cause for hope I would have is that the guy really played well last year before he got hurt, and that he'd be coming here with an offensive staff that can coach up QBs.

If they took a QB early in the draft and had him, I would let it play out, but I'm not happy about another retread ultimately.

I think someone like Tyler Bray would be the ultimate risk/reward guy to pair with Smith.

We are always out of range. Too low, or in this case, too high if you can believe that. The Chiefs always avoid the QB's because of value or it not being worth moving up. They stick with the smart safe moves, and man has it paid off.

If they are going to draft one in the 2nd then just ****ing start him. Please give away a 4th round pick(essentially a 3rd) plus paying a guy a decent amount just so we can have a "vet" QB while the other guy learns. Just ****ing put the guy in. I don't give a **** about winning 9 games with Alex Smith. QB's don't need years off to sit unless they are incredibly raw. This isn't 2002. I made it 10 minutes before I let this piss me off before it even happened.

C'mon now. He's a far better QB than Cassel.

Yeah, but he also came from a staff that can really coach up QB's. So I'm not sure we can get much more out of him.

He'd pretty much be a stop gap, until they could either find the next guy or get the next guy ready.

But, with the way the rookies are now, I really don't think you need a stop gap to get him ready.

This would be extremely disappointing, IMO, and if they do this, they better damn well win next year.

Yeah, shit ton better.


But if we're looking for "better" than Cassel, shouldn't be to terribly tough to find.

Yep. Going ahead trying to win a SB with a game manager is foolish. It's going to work again someday, but the odds are low. Trying to be that team is stupid. Taking a chance on a guy with potential is a better play in my mind. Even in the best possible situation Alex Smith is a game manager and he won't be in the best situation possible next year in KC.

I wouldn't say "far better" nor "shit ton better". Maybe, a little better.

They both had 'a' good season. Nothing more than a pair of medicore-game managing-noodle armed backups.

That's so depressing.

See, I don't agree that all rookies drafted high are basically NFL ready at QB. I think they are getting thrown to the fire quicker, but I see nothing wrong with a guy sitting a year or 2 to really develop.

I think that the QBs that have come out lately have spoiled everyone.

I think if they got the Alex Smith that was in SF last year they'd win a lot. I think this defense is going to be a bear to deal with next year. I think the attacking one gap defense is a perfect fit for Poe and we will see true playmakers shine in it.

70% completion, 13/5 TD ratio in basically 9 1/4th games isn't horrendous. That's basically a 23/10 ratio over the course of a season.

Smith is still only 28, so that's another plus.

I'm just trying to find the editable parts of this shit sandwich.

I want Geno in the draft. But I like Bray. We can get his head together and Reid can coach him up. He's as talented as anyone. Take a guy like Patterson WR after trading down, taking Alec Ogletree with 34 pick because of BPA strategy and then take Bray with compensatory 3rd? Might not be too bad of an idea. But i do want Geno. I like kid and with our coaching staff he'd be good

The idea of more coming is even more depressing. The idea that some Chiefs fans want it is not surprising. Neither is the media suggesting it should happen. The media predict and preach that we should get some retread QB. We get them, and while we shit ourselves for a few years the media stops paying attention. Then they show up only to suggest the same thing, having not seen what had just happened.

Wonder what kind of contract he's going to want...just assuming he's going to want big $$$$

The one thing I cant stand is Cassel 2.0. Alex Smith won a ****ing playoff game, Cassel hasnt done shit

Problem with a year or 2 developing is, he's prob going to get 2-3 years after that. So you won't know one way or another until about 3-4 years what you've got.

Plus, I'm a believer that even with sitting, he's still going to have a learning period after that and I'd rather him just learn in the fire.

And if you think the defense will be a bear, woudln't it make more sense to let your rookie QB lean on them early and our running game to get his feet wet?

****, I just don't think I have it in me for another retread. I said it last night about FOles, say it again here. This is just too damn familiar and I feel pretty ****ing dirty even entertaining the idea.

Yeah, his last year wasn't horrendous, neither was 2011. Neither was Matt Cassel's 2010 or 08.

He's under contract another year. They shouldn't even touch that subject. Let him play out the year if this trade does in fact happen.

If we trade for Alex Smith and don't want Geno or Barkley at 1 I hope we trade back and draft Patterson from Tennessee.

For Chiefs fans that want Geno Smith, I wouldn't panic. I've dealt with Andy Reid for 14 years and one thing I can tell you with absolute certainty is no one knows what Reid is doing in the draft. Guys in Philadelphia that covered the team for decades couldn't even predict what he'd do.

Even one of the best insiders in the business in Adam Schefter said a few years ago that the Eagles traded up for Earl Thomas, and it was actually Brandon Graham. Just let it play out. Maybe the Chiefs will go after Alex Smith, but Reid usually keeps things tight-lipped and I would believe very little that comes out.

Which begs a question, could Matt Cassel have won a playoff game with last years or this years 9ers team?

I don't think so, but I'm not positive.

Thats not anything to do with Cassel, but that team is ****ing loaded.

We're pretty much locked in at 1 and we'll get ****ing ass holed if we trade down.

Yeah, Smith is not Cassel, I know he doesn't have much more than the last year and a half, to prove it, but we'd see immediately Smith is better. However, I just don't want to give up the pick.

Imagine that Kyle Williams doesn't fumble that punt in '11 and they get a FG to go to the SB to face the Pats.

Gotta wonder if that would have changed Alex Smith's reputation.

Him not going 1 for 13 on third down might have changed someones opinion.

the guys best 10 game sample of his career is averaging 170 yards per game with a super bowl caliber coach and super bowl type roster of talent

Imagine if shit didn't stink:hmmm:

If "better than Cassel" is the only criteria we're looking for, we're in for a long few years.

No Cassel had a fairly talented team around him this year. Regardless of the record. We should've won more games. **** we had to play it safe just to stay "in" games

Ya im waiting awhile before i really try to decipher these guys' words. (Reid and Dorsey). Just gota let it play out. They wont let us know what theyre really thinking anyways. So many smoke screens itll make your head spin:)

Him not shitting himself on 3rd down for an entire game would have done that as well. Somebody is going to win with a game manager again, but I will be damned if I want the Chiefs to try to be that team. Build a perfect team and put a guy in that doesn't lose you games, yeah been there, failed at that. The risk of starting a young QB is less, even if his chance of being great isn't a great percentage.

+1

I wouldn't suggest the QB search ends with Smith, and thankfully, Reid and Dorsey have a history of not being satisfied at the QB spot either, regardless of who they have.

Atleast, not until they get their guy.

Which wouldn't be Smith, or any vet they pick up, well,maybe Foles, but that's becoming unlikely. I think their guy, will be drafted by them.

I wouldn't think he would be, but Reid seemed to roll with Vick, so who knows.

Pretty much my feeling on this is **** a retread. I know he's not a bad player, had a good year or two etc. I get that.


But **** it. It's not rational thought, but it is what it is.

We trade for Alex Smith, draft Luke Joeckel they start...then I just don't ****ing watch this team this fall.

I can totally see this being the case right now.

Don't forget Cassel being restructed to remain the backup.

I'll probably find some other things to do.


I'm having a newborn in August, so I'd say I can find some other things to do on Sunday.

if they are going to trade him its going to be before FA or during FA.

they wont trade him on draft day. FA is when to do it, they need to trade his 8.5 million and so they can splurge on a FA #1 CB, Talib, Grimes, Cary Williams, who ever the **** they think is worth it, there is a ton of them and they will spend that. But trading Smith before the FA market starts is the key.

if they dont trade him before FA and lose out on all those CBs they are just going to keep him and foot the bill

with that said, this will either be happening in the next couple weeks or it wont be. So we just got to survive until the end of March and we are good. (if they pushed FA back then its April, same concept)

If THIS is the road they decide to travel, I'd rather see Albert re-signed and Warmack at #1.

For for no other reason than to shut the national media the **** up about the Chiefs offensive line.

That would be pretty Chiefs like.

So we cut Cassels 7 million dollar contract only to take on Smith's 8.5 million dollar contract?

That would push me over the edge.

Last year pissed me off enough with Poe. This year would be it.

nothing to be pissed about with Poe in round 1

everything to be pissed about the garbage players taken after Poe in rounds 2-7 and who we passed over in all of those rounds

I can really see us doing something like this: draft Joeckel and trade back into round 1 for a QB.

Thats just asking to get ****ed in what you have to give up. Frankly for the Chiefs, I don't see that being a smart idea.

Dude, they're never going to shut up about the offensive line.

Jeff Allen was my favorite pick in the draft. He was a very good G prospect.

He got his ass kicked this year because he played OT mostly in college.

Shit, Cassel was better than that in 2010.

Yeah, but the bar is pretty low there.

Well Cassel played shitty teams in 2010.

well Jeff Allen is so bad there is already smoke that the Chiefs could take a ****ing guard at 1. Thats how bad Jeff Allen MIGHT BE. and that is really sad

I'd rather shoot for greatness at the QB spot and fail, than settle for just good enough or mediocrity.

But my job isn't on the line.

The great thing about them acquiring Alex Smith:

I don't have to worry about it anymore. I'll be moving on.

Who cares? Cassel's best season was better than Alex Smith's best season.

That's all that matters. The guy is dogshit and we're supposed to eat it and act like it tastes good?

**** that.

And **** the Chiefs if they're even considering this.

Cutting Cassel and trading for Smith would cost the Chiefs $12.5 million.

No it's just a testament to how good these G's.

hahahahahahhaha

In what way?

In 13 MORE starts, he has 1 less TD, 6 more picks, and only 785 more yards.

:spock: Yeah...he played the division Alex Smith has played his entire career.

We dismiss Cassels 2 good seasons because he played the NFC West but Alex Smith has played in that division his whole career and has never played as good as Cassel played.

If they are serious about restructuring Cassel, it's for him to be a backup. They trade for Smith, he'll start.

I doubt they spend a 2 or 3 round pick on a developmental guy to be the 3rd stringer this year at that point.

Zing.

And boom goes the dynamite.

Seahawks fans?

Seahawks fans.

posts like these make me laugh.

Reid thought very highly of Jeff Allen and he was a ****ing rookie playing a new position last year.

I've been a fan of this team for more than 40 years. Frankly, I don't get this attitude. Why give up on your team just because they make a move you don't like? I've got news for you, no team is going to satisfy you with that standard. Maybe football isn't the sport for you.

It seems a little pathetic really, like a child throwing a temper tantrum. And it is sadly all too common on this forum.

I've been a fan since the early 1980's.

It's not that they made A move I didn't like.

It's that they've made HUNDREDS OF MOVES I didn't like.

I was literally HALF THE AGE I am now the last time they won a playoff game.

So you can take your sanctimonious self-righteous bullshit and shove it up your ass.

These !

Reid wants playmaker QBs who can be depended upon to put the game on their backs to win in the 4th quarter when need be. Donovan,Michael and Nick(high potential but unfinished project) can do this.

Alex Smith is a system game manager type QB. He is not a playmaker QB that can 'at any moment' be a game changer type of QB plain and simple.

Look it.

Dorsey = Favre and Rodgers.
Reid = McNabb and Vick.

Smith ? Really ??

i dont dispute that

but what are the options at pick 1

A) QB
B) Joeckel
C) Chance Warmack

well this thread is about Alex ****ing Smith and if any shred about this pile of shit player coming to KC is true then guess what, the #1 picks will be option B or C. And if it's option C, I will remember to come find your posts, re-quote them and laugh.

I think Jeff Allen sucks, but I dont think he sucks to the point you waste a #1 overall pick to replace him.

I saw probably 80% of Allen's games in 2011. He doesn't "suck". He's young and he spent most of his time starting this year between a rookie LT and a guy that wasn't a very good guard before he ever got moved to center.

Allen is only going to get better.

and if they draft a guard first?

Then they're stupid?