I liked it the most when it was breaded and fried.

So, after the latest story I linked, are you going to still refer to me a "narrow-minded"?

BTW Superstar, I've been married to a Pacific Islander for more than a decade and shit you've thrown out is not only racist, but untrue.

It is neither racist nor untrue. You clearly don't know Hawaii. I haven't even mentioned that he is Samoan, that was others (and you). It truly does not matter here, and there was no reason for me to bring it up. I only mentioned that he is from a small town and a Mormon. Since you are apparently unaware, in Laie there are white Mormons, and Samoan Mormons, and Asian Mormons, and Hawaiian Mormons. And probably a few others too.

Calling me racist is the dumbest thing you have said in a longtime. I never even typed the word "Samoan" until this post. Hell, you don't even know what race I am, so how can you claim I'm a racist?

Next you're going to tell me he's not somalian either.


Stop embarrassing yourself over defending someone simply because you live on the same island. Your suspension of logic is laughable.

Yes, lots of explanations are possible but you need to take a hard look at the ones that are actually plausible. Notre Dame isn't the jungle book, and Man'ti isn't Mowgli.

I'm not doing that. I couldn't care less about him, I'm just explaining things you clearly don't understand - and don't want to understand.

YOU brought up his race (the wrong one too). I don't bring up race unless it is relevant, and it isn't. I did bring up culture, which has nothing to do with race. The culture of Hawaii is a mix of all the places the people here have come from, and it is a lot of places.

And here I thought those in Hawaii were carefree... F'in mainstream media and entertainment just pumping out lies left and right about Hawaii.

Splatbass, set the record straight here man. We all know Te'o was in a three year strictly online relationship with a car-wrecked, Leukemia stricken girl who coincidentally died on the same day as his Grandma. You can't make this stuff up, folks.

Oh, wait...

First off, I never mentioned he was Samoan. Secondly, my wife isn't Samoan, so I'm not even sure where that came from.

While it's true that I'm not Hawaiian nor have I lived in Hawaii, I've never disparaged you for living in Hawaii, regardless of your race. Yet you have constantly and consistently disparaged me for where I live and for what I do for a living.

I think you need to take a long look in the mirror. You are the person that told us that we didn't know about Hawaiians.

YOU are the person that described Te'o as a possible "Dupe", due to his family and their ancestry.

If that's not racist, I'm not sure you understand the definition.

No I haven't. I have disparaged you because you act like an ass a lot of the time here. You dish it out, so you should be able to take it, why can't you?

I have only mentioned your living in this thread, and only to demonstrate a point - that people online take you at your word that you live in Hollywood so it isn't a stretch that someone could take what someone claims about themselves online as true. Too bad it went right over your head.

I'm surprised he didn't show up for Heisman ceremonies hugging torches in a grass skirt. He's just an innocent child from a little fishing hut on a deserted island. He probably didn't know airplanes existed until he flew to ND on a football scholarship that earned when a scout miraculously spotted him bounding through jungle while on a birdwatching expedition.

I took more of what he was talking about to be in reference to a Morman growing up in a small town in Hawaii. That's more about culture and environment shaping your world view growing up. You could be black, white, Samoan, Chinese, or whatever it would all be the same. That's not a race issue. Sociology.

Assuming of course I took what Splatbass said correctly.

That said I know nothing about Hawaiian culture other than they always vote Democrat and it pisses me off.

I didn't say any of that. You seem to have a pretty narrow view of people from other places.

Thank you. Yes, that is what I was saying. This is a very multicultural place, a place that has taken aspects of the culture of a lot of different places and melded them into a unique culture of their own. People came here from all over, and that is reflected in our culture regardless of the race of the individual. It is a great place to live.

ROFL

Right. I think the guy is just like any other college student, so I'm the one with a narrow view based on where he's from.

Here I thought you were being a fanboy. Turns out you're just an imbecile.

Fantastic. However, you just dated yourself with this post.

Uh oh. I'd suggest if you're going to date yourself, make sure that you're real before talking to the press about it.

Hawaii: Where invisible people are accepted too!

That is your problem. I have said several times in this thread that I don't like him as a football player, or care about him. I am just explaining things that you are not willing to listen to and feel the need to attack. That is your problem.

I have an opinion that you don't like. So ****ing what? All I am saying is that based on my knowledge of the people in his hometown (which is a short drive from my house) I believe he could just be a naive guy that was duped. And then he was too far in to admit he was duped so he lied. This is a perfectly legitimate argument. You don't have to agree with me, but you also don't need to attack me because you disagree.

Good one, Syphilis Trauma.

Not unlike the other 49 of them, just with different ingredients. It's not special bro, get over your Hawaiiself.

**Edit** The Great Melting Poi!!! hahaha i crack myself up

Can you refute any of my points, or are juvenile insults all anyone here can do?

I have been asking people to refute my points since this afternoon, and all I've gotten is childishness. It's time for one of you to step up and make a point. Tell me why I'm wrong. Use facts. Until then I'm done.

Unfrozen Mormon Hawaiian Linebacker

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"Ladies and gentlemen of the media, I'm just a Mormon Hawaiian linebacker. I was recruited to play football by one of your 'college coaches.' Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes all the questions thrown at me by reporters make me want to get out of my BMW ... and run off into the hills, or wherever ... Sometimes when I get a text on my cellphone, I wonder: 'Did little demons get inside and type it?' I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts."

What exactly are your points?

It's likely because your points are so outlandish that nobody takes them seriously.

(And calling me syphilis wasn't childish:rolleyes:)

Yeah. I just said Hawaii wasn't any different or more special than any other state due to the cultural make up. Every state is that way. There's a fact for you poiboi

I made this post a few posts up ^

All I am saying is that based on my knowledge of the people in his hometown (which is a short drive from my house) I believe he could just be a naive guy that was duped. And then he was too far in to admit he was duped so he lied. This is a perfectly legitimate argument.

I have gone into more detail in this thread, but I am not going to continually repeat myself. There is nothing outlandish about my opinion. It is just an opinion that you don't agree with but can't refute.

Calling you Syphilis was a joke play on your username.

I already said, its not an issue of them being impossible. It's an issue of them being implausible.

As for "using facts" you're speculating just as much as everyone else. The difference being that your speculation requires the suspension of logic and common sense.

:shake:

I live where I live. I've provided several pictures of my home, going back as far as 2004 and a few forum members have been to my home. There's nothing omnious or "fake" about where I live.

Your attempt at comparing me, a 47 year old father of two and husband, to a 22 year old at Notre Dame, is a complete and utter failure.

And FWIW, nothing you've stated has "gone over my head".

ROFL

What's with this "narrow view" bullshit?

You're the only person in this forum that's been to Hawaii? Traveled the world? That lives in an international city?

WTF?

In 1993, O.J. Simpson lived a very short drive from my apartment, approximately 5 miles (which is closer than you claim to live from Te'o's family).

I knew absolutely nothing about him.

I'm not sure why you believe that distance to his hometown is relative.

No it doesn't. It is perfectly reasonable. It just isn't your opinion, so you attack.

I have explained it. The culture here is very important. It is not LA, it is a small town where everyone knows everyone. A world of difference.

For what it is worth, it seems like his hometown agrees with me.

http://www.kitv.com/sports/hawaii-sp...z/-/index.html

Oh, was it? And I was being completely serious when I said invisible people are accepted in Hawaii. It's well known they are accepted in all 50 states, especially when the media doesn't fact check anything.

This a 1000x!!!!. It doesn't take a detective/lawyer with hard common sense questioning to figure this one out.

We will soon learn he is a "Rear Admiral" is my prediction waaaay back in this thread. Everything points to this IMHO. Manti's lover wants him to come out of the closet or old fashioned journalism kept chasing the story and .........

:facepalm:

YOUR projection? Every homophobic asswipe on the internet made that suggestion.

Try again.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8...bobblehead-day

Businesses looking for attention know how to get it these days: tie to Manti Te'o, the Notre Dame linebacker in the midst of a fake girlfriend scandal.

On Thursday morning, Spirit Airlines posted an ad on its website proclaiming: "No hoax. These fares are really low," written in Notre Dame's blue and yellow just like its famous "Play Like A Champion Today" sign.


Late Thursday evening, an independent baseball team, the Florence Freedom in Florence, Ky., announced it would have "Manti Te'o Girlfriend Bobblehead Day."

As part of the promotion in late May, the first 1,000 fans will get an empty bobblehead box, there will be a pretend kiss cam for fans to kiss their imaginary friends and there will be an imaginary food fight in the kids' area, as well as an air guitar contest.

"There's not a lot to do to get attention in January," said the team's general manager Josh Anderson. "You have to find some way to get the buzz."

Anderson says things might die down by May 23, the day of the promotion, but the team is committed to it nonetheless.

Is it too edgy and too soon?

"I don't know who we'd be offending," said Anderson, who said he met his wife online. "It would just be isolated to the guy who made his season based off this story."

Giving away a box of nothing has long been a minor league trick. The last team to famously do this? The Peoria Chiefs, the Chicago Cubs Single-A affiliate, who in 2011 after the Miami Heat lost to the Mavericks, gave out LeBron James championship rings.

The Florence Freedom hope enough real people come to the promotion. The team drew roughly 2,000 fans a game in its 3,100-seat ballpark last season.

On Wednesday, Deadspin.com broke the story that Te'o's girlfriend, who he had said died of Leukemia, was not a real person. Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick said Te'o, who has yet to speak, was a victim of an online hoax.

ROFLROFL

That's not fair, Dude.

He's a gay, misunderstood Mormon/Catholic Hawaiian that was sucked into a web of lies by the internets.

Lighten up.

Maybe it's just me. I think that's the most absurd possibility of them all.

If the dude's gay he can take out random chicks on campus to throw people off the trail. It's not that hard.

I don't believe for one second he hatches a ruse this elaborate to cover something like that up.

I said it earlier: I've never been in the presence of a homosexual man and NOT known he was homosexual.

If he's gay (NTTATWWT), it would be a bigger secret than the hoax. IMO, it would be next to impossible to hide the fact that a Notre Dame Heisman finalist was gay.

Someone, somewhere, along the way, would have spilled the beans.

It's now homophobic to think someone might be gay?

Unless he needed a reason to go visiting California...

Do you know Dickshrink?

Dane is left coast. Are you surprised?

Uh, what? Didn't his girlfriend allegedly attend Stanford?

Are you a ****ing reerun?

?

I have no idea what you're referring to here.

I had a friend in high school who I thought might be gay. It turned out he was.

Does that make me homophobic?

I think you need to go back a few pages and re-read.

And apparently, you aren't familiar with Sportsshrink/Chiefshrink.

He's a ****ing nut. Search his DC posts for verification.

I've seen him around and he does seem to be a nut. Obviously I came in on the end of an extended conversation and didn't realize it.

It just seemed like calling someone homophobic for believing it's possible someone might be gay was a bit over the top. I apologize if I misunderstood.

No apology necessary.

If he was using her as a beard, why not just say you broke up with her? Wouldn't that be a lot easier than pretending she died?

As for the rest, I am not sure how hard it would be. I am sure there have been some high profile athletes over the years who were gay and it didn't become known, although that is speculation on my part. As you implied, a Notre Dame Heisman finalist casts quite the light on a person.

You have gone totally soft.

A kinder and gentler Dane.

And he's Mormon.

The conspiracy gets deeper...

It happens to the best of us.

I'm not familiar with Mormon views on homosexuality.

All I know is that the Mormon chicks I knew were way into oral sex and avoided vaginal sex before marriage.

Not that I'm complaining. :D

Gay or straight, in the closet/out of the closet, whatever.

This case is so unbelievably bizarre that I truly imagine that fact is stranger than fiction.

That there is no real story, that there are 47 different variants, that the AD jump the shit on national TV, that...whatever.

This thing is absolutely fantasticly weird and getting weirder.

God bless Mel Kiper.

If Pissholi was still around it would be tragic if we didn't draft Te'o at this point.

The whole thing's just... odd. And one dude's gonna profit from it. That guy who made that fake documentary "Catfish". You know that guy is stoked. Suddenly "catfishing" is a verb.. all over ESPN.

People have been fake on the internet since the internet began.

Don't know if this have been said in this form or not but at the end of "Around the horn" today on espn Tony Reali said Notre Dame has released that they have found the perpetrators and they told them their sole purpose for this was for "entertainment".

Great! Mystery solved 10 hours ago!

I just noticed this story. LMAO

How bizarre.

splatbrass you aren't a very good debater. Dane won hands down.

As for your defense of Te'o it is poor and any reasonable person and can see so many holes in his story a defense attorney would shudder, get weak-kneed and sweat profusely defending this man. The prosecutor would rip it to shreds without batting an eye. Even the late, great Johnnie Cochran would refuse to answer his phone on this one.

The jury would listen intently with a WTF and bewildered look on their faces the whole time.

I just re-read my response. In no way, shape or form did I claim that Sportshrink/Chiefshrink was homophobic.

I stated rather clearly that "Every homophobic asswipe on the internets claimed he was gay".

I was merely pointing out that Chiefshrink/Sportshink isn't nearly the genius he believes himself to be.

You say anyone could rip it to shreds, but you didn't do it.

This is the reason Dane kicked your butt, your comebacks were pathetic.

It isn't a comeback. You made the claim that I am terrible at debate, and that anyone could rip my arguments to shreds, yet you didn't debate my points and you didn't even try to rip them to shreds.

I suspect you don't know what the word "debate" means. It doesn't mean throwing insults at each other.

somalians live in africa...

34 years for me...

best decision i ever made...

I can't help but think that ESPN had to know it was fake. They've turned to tmz/soap opera coverage of sports. There is no way when they did the Heisman show and buildup that they didn't want to get their hands on photos of the girl, her family, etc. It's right up their alley to do a story like that.

So... next time I am in Los Angeles I've got a place to stay?

Did they stop by MacDill or did you go over to Bradenton?

I haven't been following the story religiously, but good lord it seems like Days of Our Lives.

WTF would this kid do something like this....aside from being stupid.

Attention whoring?

Wait until Teo runs a 5.0 40 and gets bombed with questions about his girlfriend "Rosy Palm" at the combine.

His severe lack of maturity precedes him :rolleyes:

Staggering the amount of details Te'o or whoever made up about this girl....





On Sunday, Sept. 23, I sat down with Manti Te'o for a story that was due two hours after the interview concluded and would appear on SI's cover later that week. The detail he provided me about Lennay Kekua, who he said had died 10 days earlier -- six hours after his grandmother passed away -- was staggering. He said that they met through his cousin nearly four years ago and started "dating" on Oct. 15, 2011. Te'o told me she graduated from Stanford, lived in Carson, Calif., had family roots in Hawaii and helped take over part of her dad's job in the construction business, though her passion was to work with children and she'd traveled as far as New Zealand to do so. He said she got hit by a drunk driver on April 28, 2012, discovered that she had leukemia while recovering, and received her cancer treatment at St. Jude Medical Center in Fullerton, Calif. He never specified that he'd met her in person, and I didn't ask. Why would you ask someone if he'd actually met his girlfriend who recently died?

ROSENBERG: Te'o hoax sparks more questions than answers

Last night I went through about six hours of interviews from the five days I spent at Notre Dame reporting the Te'o story. Father Paul Doyle, the rector of Dillon Hall, where Te'o lived for three years, told me, "I think I had met the girlfriend. I think she had been here visiting the year before." (He gave Te'o a prayer card that said the men of Dillon Hall were praying for his loss.) Coach Brian Kelly, defensive coordinator Bob Diaco and teammates such as Theo Riddick, Robby Toma and Cierre Wood described in painstaking detail Te'o's emotions on the day he got the call in the locker room that Kekua had died. I was told by teammates and coaches that Te'o had been on the phone with her while getting his ankles taped and for weeks after her death he stayed in close communication with her supposed family.

Before I went to campus, I had conducted lengthy interviews with Brian Te'o, Manti's dad, and Dalton Hilliard, a close friend from Punahou High in Honolulu who played at UCLA. Both said they were in frequent communication with Kekua; Brian Te'o told me he had received a condolence text from her after his mother died. They also spoke on the phone at length, as he did with Lennay's brothers after her "death." Hilliard said he received frequent texts and tweets from her.

"She was a very supportive, loving passionate individual," Hillard said. "She was all about God and prayer and being able to have faith. Me and her never met in person. But I felt like this was a testament to who she was. She would still text and tweet me before my games."

He added, "It was a pleasure for me to know her. The fact she made my best friend such a happy man, it's something that made me a happy man as well."

When I arrived in South Bend, Ind., that Wednesday morning, Te'o, his team and an entire campus talked openly about mourning Kekua. I had little reason to believe that she didn't exist.

But in retrospect there were some red flags. When I checked Lexis Nexis to find out more about Kekua, I couldn't find anything, though that's not uncommon for a college-aged student. Nor was there anything on her supposed brother, Koa. I was unable to track down any obituaries or funeral notices, but that might be explained by the fact that she had three recent places she called home, or by her family not wanting publicity.

I called Mike Eubanks at Stanford to check Kekua's graduation year. Te'o wasn't sure if it was 2010 or 2011. Eubanks is an assistant athletic director for football and he coordinates on-campus recruiting visits. He knew Te'o from Stanford recruiting him in 2008 and '09 -- Stanford had gone after him hard. Eubanks, who directed Stanford's football media relations this season, couldn't find her in the alumni directory and thought it was odd that, on such a small campus, he'd never heard of a student dating Te'o. This was the most glaring sign I missed. I thought that maybe she didn't graduate, so we took any reference to Stanford out of the story.

We searched for details about the car crash. Brian Te'o told our fact checker and Manti told me that a drunk driver had hit her. We couldn't find any articles about that accident and took the drunk driving reference out. It was just a car accident.

For the interview on Sunday afternoon Te'o and I sat in the linebacker meeting room in Notre Dame's football facility and he looked straight at me as he spoke. His eyes welled up at times. The only time he didn't speak with confidence was when I asked how they met. I didn't press him, as it was clearly something he didn't want to share. I suspected they may have met online, understood he wouldn't have wanted that public and moved on.



Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/col...#ixzz2ILDZs74P

This. The facts are Te'o and Tuiasosopo were friends, the latter was the source of the fake dead girlfriend pictures, and Te'o stood to benefit (attention, draft stock, etc). The preponderance of the evidence suggests Te'o was in on it.

SI: How did you meet her?
TE'O: We met just, ummmm, just she knew my cousin. And kind of saw me there so. Just kind of regular.

SI: How long were you dating? I know that can be a complicated question.
TE'O: Oct. 15 was the official date. Of last year. I've known her for four years. So we've been friends.

TE'O: She didn't get out. She went from there. Remember she got in the accident and she was in a coma. We lost her, actually, twice. She flatlined twice. They revived her twice. It was just a trippy situation. It was a day I was flying home from South Bend to go home for summer break. It was May. Mid-May. That was the day where they said, "Bro, we're going to pull it. We're going to pull the plug." I remember having this feeling like everything is going to be OK. They were telling me, "Say your goodbyes." From April 28 to around mid-May, I was always talking to my girlfriend who was on a machine.

SI: She couldn't communicate?

TE'O: No. She could only breathe. One of the miraculous things was when I talked to her and she would hear my voice her breathing would pick up. Like quickly, and then she would start crying. But her breathing would quicken, and she would start crying. So her brother was in the room with the nurse. They were monitoring her. She said, "Who is she on the phone with?" Her boyfriend. She was like, "That's amazing. She doesn't do that with anybody else." So that happened. And then she flatlined and we were losing her.


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Do people in a coma typically cry on the telephone?

He's flying from Indiana to go to Hawaii and he doesn't bother to schedule a layover in LAX to say goodbye to the love of his life who was going to have the plug pulled that very same day??

Why are you making light of Te'o's "really frightening experience" and "incredible tragedy."*

*actual quotes from Notre Dame's AD

I had an imaginary girlfriend once, well more than once, but this one was really mean and I guess I just hold a grudge.