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5ypa is > every single rusher in the top 10. |
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He's not a good RB. |
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Charles has had shoulder problems IIRC, just came of an ACL tear, and has come out of the game multiple times because of hard hits, and Dex is more than capable (I know not in your opinion) of taking some of Charles' load. |
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19 touches a game (and about 15 carries) is not running anyone into the ground. Haley's stupid Thomas Jones love affair has convinced Chiefs fans Charles shouldn't carry the ball as much as LeSean McCoy. LMAO |
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It's got nothing to do with Thomas Jones. Charles came out of multiple games. He shouldn't receive any more than 40-50% of the teams carries. |
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Or in 2009 against the Broncos... Anyway, 19 touches a game is reasonable. If a guy gets hurt touching it 19 times a game he should be a RB2. Charles is a RB1, give him the damn ball. |
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You're right dude. That's exactly how we should use him. This league has become a RBBC league because teams are smarter now, and are trying to get more than 3 productive years out of good backs. |
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This isn't too much to ask. He's not a RB2. |
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If that was "no difference" how come 16 vs 18 games is such a hot topic? |
Because that's another 40 touches.
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It's 1.5 touches more per game. ROFL |
:toast: Here's to the Chiefs drafting Richardson and Charles getting ~200 touches.
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Yes, let's give the ball to a rookie more than maybe the best RB in the NFL. |
Who cares if he is gonna be a rookie?
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Richardson is built like a brick wall and being compared to AP out of college. Charles would instantly become the change of pace back. |
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He's not 190 lbs. LMAO
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If we draft Richardson he damn well better have more carries than Charles. |
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Favor a rookie over perhaps the best RB in the NFL. Listen to yourselves. You would think Trent Richardson had already done something in the NFL. He might not even be a good fit behind our line, which looked demonstrably worse without Charles last season. |
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He's had shoulder problems, and just missed almost an entire season due to injury. Surely you're not this dense. |
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Jones/Battle are not Richardson. |
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He's had shoulder problems, and just missed almost an entire season due to injury. Surely you're not this dense. |
I dunno, it seems more dense to me to think that a stud RB who has had months to recover can't handle a very light workload.
19 touches a game is not a lot. |
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If we draft Trent Richardson, he will get a lot more carries than Charles. In 2010, the year you keep siting, Thomas Jones had about the same carries as a healthy Jamaal Charles. Trent Richardson is 3 times the back Jones EVER WAS and Charles is coming off major injury. |
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I see a dumbshit posting dumb shit, I call him out on it, dumb shit. McCluster is a gimmick player. period. He got more touches last season because of injury, but he still is nothing more than a gimmick player. He's gimmick player that can't break tackles, nor can he make people miss, so he's a useless ****ing gimmick player. |
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He can get you with speed. He can get you with power. He can get you with finesse (have you seen some of his cuts?). |
Michael Turner and MauriceJones-Drew are the only backs in the NFL that had 300 carries last year.
Turner only had 301 |
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Richardson will likely be a stud, but it would be a better allocation of resources to sign Green-Ellis who would be an excellent #2 back to Charles, assuming the staff has full faith in Charles' health. I'd love to see us trade up, but I believe we're looking at tackle territory right now. Best "Plan B" would be for Richardson to be on the board and for us to swing a deal with a team looking to come up to get him or even to get back into the first round. Then, loaded with two firsts next year, we'd be in great shape if we were to (gasp, dare to dream?) look for a legit QB. |
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He's a great back, but he's useless if he's injured. |
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Turner had 318 touches. |
I do think 300 touches for JC is a bit high.
And I'd rather draft someone than sign Green-Ellis. |
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As a slot receiver (yes, with some gimmicky ability to motion all around the field), it's way too soon to say what he has. His legs seemed to have more life toward the end of the season, and I think it's more than reasonable to wonder if his late season success was due to finally having a QB who knows how to stretch out the field, which opens up the underneath stuff for him. I could give a shit if he breaks tackles like a champ. We all know that the key is to get him the ball in space with a reasonable amount of room to make people miss. But regardless of his future, yes, in 2012, the Chiefs really have no choice to use him as a gimmick unless they lose somebody either to injury or to free agency. |
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I never said he should get 300 carries. |
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He doesn't play snaps as a slot receiver, nor run routes as a slot receiver. Our slot receiver is Breaston. He's the third-down back when Charles needs a breather. That doesn't equate to 1,000 yards, or even 500. All for #36 overall. LMAO |
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But he didn't do a damn thing that any other scrub that can catch the ball can't do. He's not Darren Sproles or Reggie Bush. He's just a guy. He's not a playmaker. He's just a guy. Let me repeat that so you fully understand. HE'S JUST A GUY. Ah hell. who am I kidding? You'll never get it. |
DMC is legit if you give him the opportunity. He's going on his 3rd season, his 1st season he was out several weeks from a sprained ankle. Two things he needs to work on is his feet and vision.
When DMC gets "tapped" he falls. He's a one hit and fall type of back. He needs to work on his feet, keep moving them at all times. 2nd is his vision, he tends to run straight to the defenders. He'll throw a junk out every now and then, but it's rare. |
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It's not something you learn when you reach the NFL level. |
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HE SUCKS. |
I wouldn't go as far as to say he sucks, but I don't see him doing alot of the things some on here do.
i do think he has a place as a role type gimmick player, which is fine. He's someone that defenses have to account for, whether he makes plays or not. So there is that. You guys are missing a positive here. 3 years ago, he would have been a top option on this team. After the draft, there is a chance that he is the 6 or 7 guy on the list. |
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He's Top Ramen. |
Thats what I was getting at Milkman.
With good free agent period and a good draft, a player of DMC's skill set will need to get about 4 or 5 touches per game. |
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The problem isn't that he doesn't have ability. It's that we've only seen it in flashes, and he has a ways to go before he shows he can do it more consistently. He has to protect the ball better, he has to continue to learn how to run the entire route tree, he has to get better awareness as a receiver, and he has to be smarter about what moves he uses to set up the next move. And I don't feel like he had quite the spring in his step after his injury until later in the year. I don't know if that was hesitation or just recovery. But in the last few games, I think we all saw a spring in his step that we hadn't seen before. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...ster-16-yd-run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B76nh3VOChc http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantas...ter-49-yd-pass Again, he's got a long way to go, but it's ridiculous to say the upside isn't there. The problem is, in KC, there's not really a place for him. If the Chiefs didn't have Breaston and had more of an Adrian Peterson type runner, I might see his place. But they don't. So frankly... I don't see his place on KC in 2012. |
Truth is, he isn't as good as some think nor is he as bad as others say.
I firmly believe that once he isn't a priority for defenses to prepare for and we have a quarterback that can stretch defenses, he will excel in a similar role to what Dante Hall played for us, though maybe more versatile...but less elusive. |
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A spring in his ****ing step? Does that include his 7 touch, 25-yard performance against the Packers? FYI, the holes he was running through against Denver were gigantic. He never made anyone miss. |
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The problem is that he needs space. That's different from a guy like Charles, who can work regardless of whether you give him space or not. Because he's not going to break many tackles. Yes, he has his limitations. He's not going to be an elite player. But there's most definitely the upside that if you have a coach and a QB who know how to get him the ball in space, he could be lightning in a bottle sporadically throughout the game. |
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I don't give a rat's ass what he did at the combines in the cone drill, or other drill, I see what he's done on teh field in 2 years as a Chief, and all I see is "just a guy" **** the combines. |
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The problem is, if I have to choose between Breaston and McCluster, I'm picking Breaston 9 times out of 10. Unless McCluster shows serious improvement. That's more a credit to Breaston than that is a knock on McCluster. |
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Whe he has ever made anyone miss? He had space in the last three games, and he didn't make a ****ing soul miss. |
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You can find a scab on the street to do what he does. There is an army of unemployed, 5-7, 170 pound failed college RBs who could do what DMC does. |
Remember after the 2001 season when Vermeil brought in all these college sprint and track stars to compete at WR in the hopes that those physical measurables and agility would translate onto the football field?
I see McCluster as one of those guys only he played a lot of football in college, so he has a sizable knowledge of the game. But that's about it. That knowledge hasn't given him more than the one dimension we need on this football team. |
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Those videos show clearly that McCluster has an extremely rapid change of direction, and the ability to very quickly accelerate out of those shifts. His ability to do those things isn't normal. They're definitely very good. In many ways, we've gotten a little spoiled by Charles. Because he's so good, we forget that he was doing some magical things behind a subpar offensive line that few RBs would be able to do. McCluster isn't Charles and never will be, but that doesn't mean he can't one day be an effective football player. |
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If it doesn't translate to the football field against athletic and fast defenders, and it doesn't for McCluster, what he does against ****ing cones doesn't mean a goddamn thing. He's a one trick pony, and the defense knows that one trick. |
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"Making people miss' isn't just about going one-on-one with a guy and juking him out of his pants. McCluster's value so far has mostly been in the moves that set up openings, and his ability to accelerate in between creases in ways many backs cannot. Again, these are all flashes. And yes, he falls down at the slightest bit of contact. But in space, he has the ability to weave through creases that many RBs do not have. We just get spoiled because we're used to seeing Jamaal Charles does those same things on an elite level. |
When we first signed him I bought a knockoff McCluster jersey. They can be hit or miss; sometimes they're nearly authentic quality, sometimes they're garbage. The jersey was crap. Poor fit, poor quality, didn't come as advertised. I have since thrown it away.
How ironic that my feelings about the player so completely match my feelings about the jersey. |
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I apologize to mental midgets. They are Einstein compared to your dumb ass. JFC. |
Why are some still suggesting that DMC will work in the slot?
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Everybody wants a Devin Hester their rookie year lol. Sorry, but you're not going to get that after 2 seasons and being out half the season your first year. Good god. |
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I'm sorry I don't have more examples. I'm only going on the ones I have on youtube. But the change in direction and the burst/acceleration are things we have most definitely seen in flashes. You can't just ignore examples of big plays because "the blocking was good," and act like his acceleration or ability to use shifts to set up blocks or take a defender out aren't a part of the reason for the big play. In most cases, they are. |
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