Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 8305165)

The Patriots were penalized for openly filming games from the sideline, not for secretly taping other teams' practices. Even the allegations about the walkthrough were found to be baseless and resulted in the accusing paper making a complete retraction. My mistake, though. You USED to be better than this. That's apparently no longer the case.

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8305173)

"He left it there" what does that mean really? I figure he walked past it and thought "My crack clean up crew will be along to police this area anytime now." or something like that. But after a couple of days when it was still there he thought "Where's my cleanup crew? Then at the end of the week he was like "WTF?" So he used it as a tool to get his point across to all the department heads not just the guy responsible for trash pickup. And since the wrapper was there for a week someone wasn't doing their job very well. I just don't see this as a deal.

If I was the new GM I'd want to get everyone to step to the beat of the same drum. And since I would be the GM it would be my drum so :shrug:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8305291)

If it sat there a week, you're damn right someone wasn't doing their job very well.

So why not address it with THAT someone instead of taking it to an executive meeting and show it off, as if it's somehow indicative of a "loser" mentality infecting the football team?

At the end of the day, it's supposed to be about football. It wasn't a RAT in a gameday women's restroom, it was a gum wrapper that nobody other than Pioli saw.

A 21-28 win/loss record suggests he should probably stop worrying about gum wrappers and start worrying about football.

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8305426)

I really don't think it has anything to do with a candy wrapper, that's getting blown out of proportion. It has to do with making sure your employees, including the managers, understand accountability.

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305481)

Why did Pioli need a ****ing candy wrapper to make that point?

Why not show film of Matt Cassel?

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8305426)

It starts from the top down. If a janitor isn't doing his job, that likely means no one is holding him accountable. Now if you have a meeting of managers, including, let's say, the Director of Facilities and the Vice President of Stadium Operations, you can use this as an example of things that they are essentially accountable for, because the people working under their umbrella are not taking care of business.

I really don't think it has anything to do with a candy wrapper, that's getting blown out of proportion. It has to do with making sure your employees, including the managers, understand accountability.

That said, I agree with you that Pioli's job really should be focused on putting a winner on the field. The proof will be in the pudding here in year four. They picked a coach which allows them to stay the course and not use the excuse of rebuilding. They're apparently sticking with the same QB for the same purpose. So essentially, there are no excuses for not winning next year...

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8306094)

I don't care about that gum wrapper detail or the coffee detail. People hate that they're doing that, but I bet they at least understand the strategic value.

The stuff about which stairwells you can/can't use, how you are supposed to address Pioli, etc... That's micromanagement to a point where even stuff that doesn't matter, matters. I don't care if people are stressed about making sure every i is dotted and every number is right. I think it's stupid if people are stressing about who they eat lunch with, where they're allowed to walk, etc...

Originally Posted by Claytex (Post 8307255)

Total. Bullshit.

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 8308848)

NFL has already said they won't look into it.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 8305165)

The Patriots were penalized for openly filming games from the sideline, not for secretly taping other teams' practices. Even the allegations about the walkthrough were found to be baseless and resulted in the accusing paper making a complete retraction. My mistake, though. You USED to be better than this. That's apparently no longer the case.

Originally Posted by Claytex (Post 8308868)

Wow.

Classic case of the NFL not giving a shit about the little people.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8308938)

The little people who work NFL front office? ROFL . In that case, you don't care about the little people either seeing as how you steal money from the NFL when you make your videos.

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 8308848)

NFL has already said they won't look into it.

Originally Posted by Monty (Post 8308971)

Today at work, I saw a packet of salt on the floor leading to my office.




I picked it up and threw it away.

Originally Posted by chuxtrux (Post 8309039)

I too now pick up candy wrapper when I see them on the floor. Pioli has shown us the way towards salvation.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8309066)

Now lets stop focusing on candy wrappers and start focusing on the position of QB.

Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants (Post 8308833)

This morning on 610 am, Danny Parkins said that Greg Aiello was going to issue a statement today, on whether or not the NFL was going to conduct an investigation into these claims. Anyone else hear anything on that?
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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 8308848)

NFL has already said they won't look into it.

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8309066)

Now lets stop focusing on candy wrappers and start focusing on the position of QB.

Originally Posted by chief103182 (Post 8309290)

I don't know, man. I'm still a little pissed about that wrapper.

Originally Posted by Monty (Post 8308971)

Today at work, I saw a packet of salt on the floor leading to my office.




I picked it up and threw it away.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8308878)

does an alarm go off every time the pats are mentioned on the intertubes?

because without fail some 'patriot way'-flunkie shows up to cry and or lecture about the sanctity and dignity of all things patriot?

jesus ****ing bat signals, batman...while you're here could you lecture us some more on how awesome Matt Cassell is?

we miss that...you crying about how no one understands Cassel's inner-awesomeness...

Originally Posted by Hawg73 (Post 1819301)

You called the Patriot Way "fraudulent" and you are way off base there. Probably because you are marinating in pure jealousy, but I can't say as I blame you based on what you are forced to endure out there.

The Patriot Way is a complete system that uses the talents of every single person in the organization to try to achieve the impossible: compete for a championship every year.

Granted, some years will be better than others as witness 2008 when were had to be content with 11-5 and barely missing the playoffs, but most years over the last 11 we ranged from pretty good to historically good. In case you haven't guessed 2008 was the year where you cheap-shotted Brady to the IR and Cassell did OK for himself.

The Patriot Way is for real. Check the record. Brady is better than ever, Belichick has never been more loveable, the drafts have been great and we're loaded again next spring (big surprise!). We take only good people of high moral character who love football and give them the support system they need to excel. Our guys are smart, healthy and good-looking.

They get the hottest babes and yet somehow stay annoying humble about it.

They get little respect, but rise above the opinions of others, because they motivate from within. One game at a time. Get better in all three phases. It is what it is.

Patriot Way. Too bad your guys suck or maybe you'd be getting a good up-close look at it this weekend, but you'll just have to watch in on TV and pray that we lose.

Originally Posted by Claytex (Post 8307255)

Total. Bullshit.

Quote:
Statement from Chiefs PR on why Scott Pioli wasn't quoted in Arrowhead Anxiety:

"The majority of the employees were on the business side and they report to (Team President) Mark Donovan so we felt he was most appropriate to answer the questions."

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8309737)

Prior to Brady, the Patriot way did not exist. No one talked about this front-runner philosophy. BB certainly didn't have a Browns way.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8309776)

The Patriots owe most of their success to Brady, but they would have been very good over the past 10 years regardless. I think they would have won their first SB with Bledsoe starting, he wouldn't have gotten them to the multiple SBs like Brady, but just as I think Trent Green could have lead the '99 Rams to a SB win, I think Bledsoe could have done what Brady did that first year.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8309776)

The Patriots owe most of their success to Brady, but they would have been very good over the past 10 years regardless. I think they would have won their first SB with Bledsoe starting, he wouldn't have gotten them to the multiple SBs like Brady, but just as I think Trent Green could have lead the '99 Rams to a SB win, I think Bledsoe could have done what Brady did that first year.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8309816)

Who knows? But I disagree mostly. Bledsoe was a decent QB, but not a great QB. If I remember correctly, in 2000 and 2001 before he got hurt, Bellichelk was not 100% satisfied with him.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8309815)

No ****ing way. Drew Bledsoe was not winning any SBs.

Brady was the absolute perfect fit for that team just like Warner was with the Rams.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8309450)

Although I like watching the dude play qb, cause it's magnifico, I can't wait for Brady to retire.

Without Tom Brady, thats a 4 win football team.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8309831)

Brady wasn't anything special that season. The D really stepped up. In fact Bledsoe came into the playoff game against the Steelers, threw the only TD and won the game for the Pats.

Brady kind of became Brady in that first SB when he drove the team down at the end for the FG.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8309834)

I'm not saying Green puts up the exact same numbers as Warner, but you could tell before Green got hurt this was a different Rams team. I think they still would have won the SB with Green starting every game.

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8309831)

Brady wasn't anything special that season. The D really stepped up. In fact Bledsoe came into the playoff game against the Steelers, threw the only TD and won the game for the Pats.

Brady kind of became Brady in that first SB when he drove the team down at the end for the FG.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8309845)

That preseason before he got hurt, Green was something like 28/32 passing... and he was perfect in the first half of the game he got hurt. He was absolutely shredding defenses.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8309842)

Bledsoe was 0-2 before he got injured. Brady then went 11-3 and won the SB. Yea, his numbers were not spectacular, but he made plays in critical situations that win games.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8309853)

Heh, this was always one of the great "what ifs?". After seeing Green in KC for 5 or 6 years, I'll,just say he was no Kurt Warner. Not even close.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8309857)

It's funny how people can see things so differently.

In my eyes, Green was an excellent quarterback. You could flip a coin between Green and Warner and not lose. Green, however, had the edge in the run game. He was the best blocking quarterback to ever play.

FAX

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8309857)

It's funny how people can see things so differently.

In my eyes, Green was an excellent quarterback. You could flip a coin between Green and Warner and not lose. Green, however, had the edge in the run game. He was the best blocking quarterback to ever play.

FAX

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8309859)

Green was a good solid QB. The best QB in KC since Dawson. But when asked to carry the team on his shoulders, most of the time he failed.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8309853)

Heh, this was always one of the great "what ifs?". After seeing Green in KC for 5 or 6 years, I'll,just say he was no Kurt Warner. Not even close.

Originally Posted by Claytex (Post 8310000)

I'm pretty sure I just got placed on the Patriots Planet "miserable users" list, just for challenging New England's worldview of The Patriot Way with cold, hard facts, albeit stated in a slightly profane manner.

LMAO

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8310040)

Patriot fans are total ****ing jokes. I hope Flaaco and Baltimore put an ass raping on them this weekend.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8309859)

Green was a good solid QB. The best QB in KC since Dawson. But when asked to carry the team on his shoulders, most of the time he failed.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8309857)

It's funny how people can see things so differently.

In my eyes, Green was an excellent quarterback. You could flip a coin between Green and Warner and not lose. Green, however, had the edge in the run game. He was the best blocking quarterback to ever play.

FAX

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8310049)

I hate all the bullshit about the Patriot Way, but the fluff piece on ESPN about Mrs. Kraft's death was pretty compelling. She sounds like she was a really good person and did a hell of a lot for the community.

Originally Posted by Claytex (Post 8308950)

And what I do doesn't rob the NFL of a dime, idiot.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8310276)

This is clearly a big deal to Deez, so I expect his trolls to stay the **** out of this thread.

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8314422)

kentbabbKent Babb

Recorded an appearance w/a local TV station today. Hour later, reporter called, said Chiefs caught wind; called station. Now spot won't air.



WOW really pioli

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8314422)

kentbabbKent Babb

Recorded an appearance w/a local TV station today. Hour later, reporter called, said Chiefs caught wind; called station. Now spot won't air.



WOW really pioli

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8314430)

How can they do that? Really?

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 8314446)

Pioli gets into a pissing contest with the media, I don't think he will win it

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 8314446)

Pioli gets into a pissing contest with the media, I don't think he will win it

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 8314467)

I'm really surprised a national writer hasn't picked up on this story yet. It's ripe for investigating