Yes, assuming the data hasn't been faked all this time.

It only makes you feel shitty if you are sensitive to it. Unfortunately, I am and haven't intentionally had it in over eight years.

You're wrong. There's more to being "healthy" than simply not dropping dead.

Damn. That's good. I definitely feel a lot better when I avoid it, but it's difficult to avoid.

I pretty much have it down to a science now. The main danger is eating in restaurants, which I don't do all that often.

I like the hormones. I like the gluten. Don't even get me started about my sugar.

I'm pretty sure that the staggering numbers on obesity and diabetes is not being faked. If it's being faked, it means it's just really bad as opposed to really terrible.

I like to go to Whole Foods and ask if they have any non-organic food, if they say no, I put it back in disgust. Tell them I'm looking for eggs from caged chickens, and they always tell me they don't have any.

I guess everybody needs a hobby. :shrug:

:facepalm:

What an idiot.

You sure about that? This is a fairly comprehensive rundown of the respiratory effects of marijuana with legitimate citations.

Worse than tobacco smoke, they say.

http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factshe...oryeffects.htm

I smoke doobies laced with cane sugar.

I don't think that's sugar.

I don't think those are doobies.

Is there gluten in ribs or orange Chinese chicken? Those are the only things I've found that make me feel like crap. And it's just because it doesn't come out the other side well. Trying to figure this gluten thing out.

Probably enough MSG to tranquilize a horse. Dunno about gluten.

There could be gluten in the sauce (most Chinese food has gluten because it's in the soy sauce). However, if you can eat bread (or drink beer) without feeling like shit, then you don't have a gluten problem.

I just took the biggest dump, and wanted to share. I wasn't sure where to post it, but figured this would be an appropriate place. Carry on.

Let me guess. You have no idea what you're talking about, but you felt a need to post anyway?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/h...2/21463461.cms

The problem with what you gleaned from that study is they didn't stratify the population. They simply lumped the data together and said this is what we found. There is a huge subset of the population that is healthy, fit, and average-high socioeconomic status that will live into old age barring any serious accident or illness. Those individuals bring up our average tremendously. Then you have the obese, diabetic, and low SES people who will bring it down.

Due to advances in medical care, life expectancy and ability to live into old age and maintain functional abilities is still on the rise. But it has slowed dramatically because we have this nasty weight (pun intended) bringing it down in the form of diabetes and obesity.

In that study, they are not saying MORE people are living longer, healthier lives, but that the cohort that they studied is living longer, healthier lives as a whole. There's a difference.

There is no problem with what I gleaned. You're attempting to downgrade the report, which is fine, whether you're right or wrong, as long as you can find decent support for your position, even though that's not the only report/study that's come down the way it did. You belittling me over the notion in general was ****ing stupid. The idiot in the scenario was you.

There is nothing wrong with the study. I am not attempting to downgrade it, as they simply reported facts from their cohort. Their conclusion was based on said cohort, and they attributed increased health and years to advancements in medical care. They did not say it was because obesity and diabetes aren't as detrimental to health as most think (like you seem to believe, which is utterly idiotic). Life expectancy is rising in spite of obesity trends due to medical advances that benefit patients.

Just curious. Do you have poor exercise and eating habits?

There most likely would be glutamate in both. Gluten and glutamate are related and soy is the most common culprit.

http://dogtorj.com/what-is-food-into...-glutamate-vs/

Too much sugar equals death.

Yeah, sugar is basically heroin but in a lighter form. :)

Life expectancy is increasing in the US, but not as quickly as in other countries, despite having the highest healthcare spend per person, and that is due to obesity.

http://www.diabetescure101.com/us_life_expectancy.htm

Disagree with that last statement. Healthcare costs in america are the highest anywhere. Doesn't matter if you are skinny or fat.

I meant obesity is slowing down life expectancy increase rate in the US compared to other countries.

Obesity clogs the system with preventable illnesses, driving up cost for everyone.

And yet they continue to put the stuff that causes obesity, namely HFCS, in EVERYTHING.

One has to be educated in order to make good choices and yet our education system is slowly but surely failing.

Obesity is preventable, yes. But the people in charge, despite their lip service to the issue, are doing NOTHING to actually prevent it.

I think it's pretty easy to argue that the people in charge are actively working to make the situation worse. Subsidizing HFCS, cane sugar, beet sugar and wheat is flat out dumb IMO. Farmers should be protected but the current system is flooding the market with cheap garbage and we're all paying for it.

QFT. Totally agree with both of you.

Except HFCS doesn't actually CAUSE obesity.

Elaborate.

I mean, sure, it's very easy to say HFCS doesn't "cause" obesity in the sense that simple exposure to it makes you fat. But if you eat sufficient quantities, it can be an extreme contributing factor. And in a society that is bombarded with it, isn't it more practical to look at HFCS as a significant "cause", though it isn't technically true?

Yet, when they try to do something, anything, they get chastised, like the Mayor of NY. Granted, he may not have the exact way of handling it, but he was on the right track, and got lambasted for it. Theres no winning when you try to take peoples addictions away.

I would say that it's true. Furthermore, I would say Princeton agrees with me.

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/a.../S26/91/22K07/


From all that I've heard is that it changes your metabolism when longterm exposure is encountered.

Imo, the best thing that can be done is to stop corn and sugar subsidies.

Because the Mayor of NY is regulating the consumer.

Why not regulate the PRODUCER? Oh that's right, because they're giving you boatloads of money...

Yep, and thats partially why the Mayor went after someone, anyone. It just happeneds to be us because the producers cant be touched. Its a sad state of affairs

Cool, good find. I now agree with you and Princeton.

It's just more fuel to an already blazing fire.

and getting boatloads of money from you.

I was reading in my microeconomics book yesterday about this very topic. The very politicians who are screaming at the outrage over this are the same ones causing the problem.

The system exists to enrich the system. The most hilarious thing in the world is watching our politicians grandstand about the widening gap between rich and poor, as if they're not directly contributing to it.

I don't know if HFCS directly causes obesity but those are rodent studies. Rats are not furry little humans and there are a lot of things that can affect rats that don't affect humans, and vice versa.

Rat studies are a good starting point but you need double-blinded human studies to know for sure.

IMO, the worst thing about HFCS is that it is very cheap, so it ends up in everything to add more palatability, which can motivate people to overeat. Plus, it adds extra calories that aren't necessary.

It's the same reason so many things have glutamates or calcium caseinate in them.

prolonged over-consumption of calories = weight gain. Too much weight gain = obesity. It doesn't matter if you over eat sugar, steak or apples.. if you eat more than you burn, you get fat.

HFCS issue is the amount of insulin needed to clear it from the blood. You can eat in a caloric deficit all day, and drink tons of soda. You won't end up fat, but will be diagnosed with diabetes. people sippin on pop all day or eating small sugary snacks will lead to insulin issues.

Oh, okay. Thanks. They haven't taught us the very basics of obesity in medical school. Thank you so much.

The second paragraph makes zero sense. You seem to forget that all food that we take in and utilized must be converted to glucose and is stored in cells by insulin. It's not just being bombarded with sugar, but an assault of our system with all foods because the final common pathway is the same. If you eat an unhealthy diet full of carbohydrates and fat, you will increase your blood glucose and down-regulate receptors that mediate the release of insulin. Once those receptors are fully desensitized, you will be clinically diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The problem with pop is you can get to the end much easier due to its caloric density from sugar.

And, as Dick Pull (ROFL) mentioned, HFCS does impede normal metabolism, according to a study he cited that compared a HFCS drink and a Sugar drink with the same caloric amount. I don't know how it translates to a quantitative risk factor for diabetes and obesity, but suffice it to say that it likely doesn't help.

Really? They teach you that all food is converted to glucose?

There is no proof that this happens in humans. However, you probably shouldn't feed your rats massive quantities of HFCS sweetened water.

I should revise it to say that all food that contributes to caloric needs of the body have a final common pathway (given the topic is about obesity and diabetes, I thought that would be assumed). So sorry, fiber, vitamins, electrolytes, etc. Huge deal and highly pertinent to the topic at hand.

To the other point, I don't really care. It wasn't my intention to be fact checked when it was shown by another poster to be true. To be honest, I just agreed, and though it may be a minor contributing factor in humans, I don't really care. It's certainly not worth winning a dumb argument over.

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/88/6/1716S.full

Also, you are posting that Princeton study with rat trials. Rats have a very different carbohydrate metabolism than humans do. They aren't comparable 1:1.

Your bro-science is strong. Yes, all foods illicit a slin response.. which is not a big deal. Its the speed at which said food raises your blood sugar levels that is the issue. Couple that with the amount of crap sugar that people are ingesting daily throughout the day, and you have a problem. I don't see many fatties or diabetics that got there eating oatmeal, rice, fruit and potatoes as their carb sources.. but lots that eat heavily refined shit. Dont need to be a doctor to figure this shit out. :)

And benefiting from it. I read the other day that, for the first time in our history, a majority in congress are millionaires. They bitch & moan about income inequality and then go vote themselves a raise.

Bro Science: Taught in medical schools everywhere.

Insulin is absolutely imperative to the storage of everything that has caloric value. My point has nothing to do with the slang term "slin".

I'm not going to continue to argue with someone who calls fundamental processes related to Glycolysis, glycogenolysis, and gluconeogenesis broscience, while you use terms like "slin" (common broscience term) or "fatties" (totally unscientific term) and phrases like "I don't see" (implying you've observed the dietary habits of individuals extensively). Dude, you reek of bro, bodybuilding terms that have no substance or place in academic discussions about these things.

It's really not worth the time.

gluconeogenesis in an individual who's diet mainly consists of large amounts of sugar already? :clap:

Your right, not worth the time.

What is the storage form of glucose? How is glucose utilized? What happens when your body has too much? Too little? What is ketogenesis? Do a big ****ing google search and get back to me.

It's not glucose goes in, it's utilized by cells for energy, and then that's it. Metabolism is a continuous spectrum whereby gluconeogenesis and glycolysis are occurring at the same time to different degrees based on the current metabolic needs of the individual.

Dudebro. My quads are in need of some SLIN!

No, you are correct that they are not, however, it is enough for me.

If people would simply give a shit about themselves and make smart, responsible choices at the grocery store, there would be no problem. All of this shit would go away.

How can the average person make smart, responsible choices when they're not being provided the correct information to start with?

Most of us discussing this here found out this info on our own, seeking it out specifically. Most of us are also "above average" intellectually.

Hey I bought sugar free oatmeal this morning and some artificial sweetener to go with my coffee.

I'm all about getting superserious.

There is still a huge knowledge gap though. I can't think of anyone that thinks sugar is good for them but I'm always asked how I stay slim/fit and when I tell them that I rarely eat sugar or grains they just throw their hands up in defeat. They make the decision to stay fat, with sleep apnea, constant illness and lack of energy because bread tastes really ****ing good.

Then there's people that think they're eating healthy because of smoothies and fruit juice (aka sugar drinks).

You don't even have to stay low carb. Working out on an ultra low carb diet sucks all the balls. I'm just picky about the types of carbs that I eat. After experimenting with low carb I found that my blood profile also improves quite a bit when I'm constantly chowing down on potatoes, white rice and whole fruit.

Exactly!

I was trying to follow what my doctor told me to do for years and I was getting bigger and my blood work was getting worse. Cardio and heart healthy grains is what he was preaching.

I show up a year later down 55lbs and ripped and told him I started doing the opposite. I also fired that doctor. He should be preaching weightlifting and more saturated fat.

Now I have an annual fight with my insurance company because of the diet survey I have to fill out and their stupid BMI calculator. I'm consistently between 11% and 13% body fat, with a 31" waist and I'm borderline overweight according to them.

What kind of artificial sweetener? In most cases, artificial sweetener is worse for you than sugar...

arsenic

I knew this was coming so I've prepared a statement defending my artificial sweetner.

um, hum

"short your whore mouth!"

:D

I am aware. It's more of a concern for the youngers. I'm probably eating white rice once every 2 weeks.

Sure, it's not the easiest thing in the world to do, but it's not impossible. And it's absolutely worth the effort. Anyone who gives a shit about his/her health will make the effort. Most people don't.

My wife has extreme thyroid problems. She tried a variety of medications and eventually settled on trying to treat it naturally.

One of her friends recommended she try eating COCONUT OIL. Yes, that's right. Coconut oil is one of the WORST fats, according to the government, to the point that it was once against the law in many parts of the country.

So my wife did a bunch of research, looked for a good source of natural, organic (can't buy the processed stuff at the store because it doesn't work) coconut oil and started using it to cook and as a food additive.

What do you know? She's feeling better. Her thyroid tests are improving little by little. And the rest of us are feeling better too! The government says that coconut oil, like many other fats, are bad for us.

We since parlayed this into using coconut flour (gluten free since it's not a grain). And again, we've noticed an incremental improvement in our overall health, energy, and general well-being.

The problem is that the mainstream sources of this information are either ignorantly misinformed or deliberately false.

A lot of people go directly to their doctor, where they get inaccurate information.

I put coconut oil in my coffee every morning and we occasionally cook with (I prefer duck fat and lard for most cooking though).

It's pure saturated fat (pure evil).

That's good that it's working for her. Does she do a lot of cardio? That can really **** up the lady thyroids.

You're not describing a knowledge gap. You provided a boatload of great advice in just a few words. This is a lack of giving a shit. This is a lack of personal responsibility.

It sounds like you've got your shit figured out. I'm sure it was a process. It probably required effort and some trial & error. It was probably totally worth it. It was also a process that everyone else has the capacity to accomplish. You just did it. Good for you.

It all started when he became skeptical of the information his doctor gave him.

That's not about "giving a shit". That's about critical thinking.

The "average" person is generally not inclined to disagree with a doctor on such things, so if the doctor is giving them bad information, no amount of effort is going to fix things.

When I grocery shop, I very rarely shop on the inside aisles, unless I need toiletries, or water. 95% of the time I only shop the outside aisles, veggies, meats and dairy (and very rarely dairy). A trainer gave me that advice once, and it was some of te best advice I ever recieved in regards to diet and nutrition.

Interestingly enough, our local grocery put the health market on the far outside wall.

So the leftmost aisle is produce, the back wall is seafood, meat, and diary, and the rightmost side is the health market.

I wish mine would do that.

Word. This works extremely well (I do it, too), and I'm glad you fired that bastard because he sounds like an old drone.

BMI is such horse shit too. If you are short and/or muscular, it totally bones you.

Low carb where you eat all the meat, fat, veges, dairy, nuts, and get your sugar intake from fruit works extremely well for cutting weight.

Complex carbs and added sugar are the debil.

How do you deal with dairy?

Because most store-bought milk is mostly water and sugar, especially after they take all the fat out of it.

I eat cheese (of course) and I also do yogurt and other stuff but when it comes to milk itself, we generally use almond or almond/coconut blend.

Exactly. I buy a quart of milk to use in scrambled eggs and I drink a small glass postworkout for quick sugar-protein, but that's it. A quart will last me 2 weeks.

But like you said, cheese, cottage cheese and yogurt are great.

And honestly, stringent diet plans are really hard to follow unless you have some sort of OCD-like mentality. That's why low carb is really easy. It just restricts complex carbs and added sugar, while everything else is fair game.

Being stringent/OCD isn't possible for me. It's probably 90/10 in my case.

Eating out is pretty much impossible so I just enjoy it when I do and order what's going to taste good instead of what's the healthiest. Keeping junk out of the house is the best piece of advice I can give people.

There's no need to be a total weirdo when you're out with friends though.