In case you haven't noticed, the FO is pulling the same move at the most important position in pro sports as the previous FOs.
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Most GMs and coaches in the league think it was a good move. Only the CP brain trust doesn't. I don't have a very high opinion of the brain trust.

You have absolutely no way of knowing what NFL GMs and coaches think.

LMAO
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That's funny, considering a large amount of people here think they know more than most NFL GMs and coaches.

I know what has been reported in the press. Pretty much all positive. Except for the "wise" idiots here.

Link?
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Some of them probably do. Are you one of those people who think NFL GMs and coaches are unassailable?

Completely meaningless.

Heh, most fans are dumb as shit.

So are GMs and coaches.

As is the collective (and minority) opinion of you CP geniuses.

except history seems to validate the opinion that this is not the right move.

Aaaaaaaamen.
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Nor does he seem to understand how one increases the odds of winning a championship, much less fielding a team that can be legitimately after one every year, yes.
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Go back and read the article that quoted an AFC executive saying that, at a minimum, the Chiefs overpaid for AS and, most likely, the 49ers engaged in thievery. The exec talked about how no one really wanted AS the year before, including Harbaugh (who tried to get Manning).

NFL execs are usually polite when assessing the trades of another team. There is an unwritten code that you do not say one team was cheated. He basically said we were cheated. He was right.

But then, a bunch of journalists say it is a good move and fall for the argument that you espoused. Who do you believe? An exec who has no incentive to diss Roberts, or journalists that know only how to report statistics and say silly things like "The 49ers were one dropped kick away from the SB" as if AS deserved credit for that? In my view, the 49ers could have gone to the SB with most any QB that year -- their team was just that good. It was like an adult team playing against children. It took repeated errors to cost them the NFC Championship.

Hell yeah. They want to do business with them in the future. The sooner the better, for their team.

What you're assuming is that Geno is an elite QB. Or at the very least, he has an average chance of being elite. Maybe he has contra indicators that make him a worse than average gamble. You hire football experts to make those calls. Some of them fail, but it's worth noting that no NFL team has ever hired their GM from the message board ranks.

There simply isnt an angle from which i can believe that Clark, all of his steeped consultants, then Dorsey and Reid... do not know what their current league perception is, zero respect, see the manning no show.

Something has completely convinced them they can win with Axl, didnt see it coming at all, Reid is doing a TOTAL 180 from his trademark "keep firing", from mobile cannons like mcnabb and vick to a controlled passing, run first game?... not at all what i anticipated or expected based on his last decade plus.

Yet they're somehow doing something unexpected and different, i'll take "they must have some grand reason behind this" for $1000, alex.

Been wrong on this before, but its actually smelling pretty good in the kitchen right now.

I'd like to think they see something special in Alex Smith that they can work with, but I'm more inclined to think that they see nothing special in Geno Smith that they can work with.

The Kansas City Chiefs haven't had TWO consecutive playoff appearances since 1994-1995, yet you're concerned that the Chiefs aren't making the right moves in which to win a Super Bowl?

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Know how you get those 2+ consecutive playoff appearances? You build the team with winning a Super Bowl in mind. From day ****ing 1.

That goes for the 0-16 Lions, the 2-14 Chiefs, and even the current Super Bowl champs Baltimore Ravens.

So yeah. If you're taking #1 overall picks and turning them into negligible improvements (if they are that at all) on the offensive line, then you're building the team the wrong way. You're not building with the Super Bowl in mind. You're building in the name of this religious dogma called "Best Player Available."

And that doesn't get you consecutive playoff appearances. It gets you the Chiefs since Joe Montana retired.

Andy Reid has a record of building a team with consecutive playoff appearances. What makes you think he doesn't know how to do that? And that you do?

Reach for need, which is what you advocate when you say our QB isn't good enough so we need to take one immediately with our top pick, is the opposite of what the teams Clark is trying to pattern the Chiefs after do. Teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens, who have combined for 4 of the last 13 Super Bowls, adhere to that dogma you're belittling because it's a better way to achieve a longer, more lasting brand of success.

The Packers can do that because they have a QB. The Eagles (largely) were able to do that. And that also explains the Steelers and Ravens.

I'm trying to advocate against building the San Francisco way simply because it's so damn hard to find that many talented players across the board, THEN keep them all happy contract-wise. It's a lot easier to fill one position and simply make good selections (i.e. BPA) than it is to take an Alex Smith or Matt Cassel and depend so heavily on finding that Justin Smith, five studs on the offensive line, Aldon Smith, etc.

And before you leap down my throat with "San Francisco almost won teh Super BOWL!!!" I'm talking about team BUILDING. Alex Smith may have been pretty successful with the 49ers, but who was accompanying him on that team, and how long did it take to acquire all those guys? That's a lot of drafts. It also means rolling a yahtzee on your coaches and your GM.

That's not to say that the Packers and other teams who espouse "BPA" don't require years of player acquisition and development, or that they don't have great supporting casts. They do, but there's no question who keeps those teams going. The 2011 San Francisco 49ers with just two or three injuries to crucial players on that team turn into a 90s Chiefs squad who can't ever turn the corner. The 2010 Green Bay Packers had at least double the injuries to crucial players on that roster and won the Super Bowl anyway.

I know which way I'd rather build.

Is this your only argument you ever make on here? "WHERE'S YOUR TEAM, MR. FANCYPANTS GM HUHR HUHR HUHR?????"

Alex Smith > Matt Cassel.

Mark it down, Alex Smith will be successful in KC.

Any QB in the NFL > Cassel

Cassel in his second year took us to the playoffs and was a Pro Bowl alternate. Sounds like he was a "success" in KC.

How are you going to define "success" for AS? It has to be better than that.

Most definitely

I was responding to someone that compared Smith to Cassel. You should address this to him.

Alex Smith is a good QB. He is just not what the collective CP brain trust has wished for, so they will attack him relentlessly. That is all this is about. They will never give him a chance, and will unfairly compare him to Cassel (as the person I was responding to did) because they are throwing a temper tantrum because they didn't get their way.

I was responding to your comment that we should mark it down that you think AS will be successful.

It will be easy for Homers to claim in 2015, when he is cut, that he was "successful" and that they were right ... merely because our record improved from 2-14 in 2012 to 8-8 in 2013 and 9-7 in 2014.

My point is that the "collective CP brain trust" is not likely to consider AS to be a "success" unless he has statistics that place him as a top 10 QB and the team wins at least one playoff game in the next two seasons. I think that would be a minimum, IMO.

Should we change the name of this forum to "I didn't get my way so I'm throwing a tantrum like a petulant child"?

Some of the people won't accept him even if he is a top 10 QB and wins a playoff game because his name is not Geno. Fortunately as the poll shows they are a small, although loud, minority.

I assume you mean the Homers that are petulant that anyone dare criticize the regime and see anything other than unicorns and rainbows in the future?

:LOL: I truly hope you are smarter than this.

At this point I'd much rather be labeled a 'True Fan' or 'Homer'.

I wanted Geno.

I did not like the trade for Alex.

I want them to keep Albert.

I do not want to draft Joeckel #1.

I just don't feel the need to cry about all of it like a little girl with skinned knees.

Get over yourselves.

"Daddy - why do we have to leave now? Can't we stay? What are we doing stopping on this bridge?"

Hard to be positive when the last 20 years have been suck. I guess you could replace negative with apathetic.


But here's to hoping they get it right eventually

I found long time ago, this is not the board to be a member of if your looking for any happiness. Doom and gloom rules the day. To even think positive on anything means your a complete "true fan". It gets old quick but just the way it is on CP.

I thought a bit of humor was needed. ;)

I agree with everything you said. Thank you.

The only difference between us is that I do not presume to tell someone when they need to "move on." This is especially true when the draft trades and selections are yet to occur.

Any regime that sees AS as the long term solution for this team, IMO, deserves to be suspected and subject to criticism. If he selects Geno, I will stop complaining.

If they trade down, get a great player, get an extra first rounder next year, and select a QB in round 3 that turns out to be a hope for the future, I will get on the bandwagon too.

The point of the OP was not to advocate sticking our heads in the sand, ignoring history or facts of our new players.

Just that we don't have to have every single thread filled with negative thoughts. And maybe we should consider waiting until at least a half a season before calling for Reid/Dorsey's head.

Andy Reid built that way in Philadelphia with Donovan McNabb so it shows that he's not against it. He may even prefer it. BPA isn't an antonym for building around a franchise QB. But you have to have a QB prospect available to build that way (and he also needs to be available to be considered the BPA). You seem to refuse to even consider the possibility that Reid/Dorsey just don't see that prospect in Geno Smith (or any of the other available draftee QBs).

"Passion-Killing Custer****" works for me.
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And that's fine, I like the moves so far. But until they start winning, it's gonna be a bit negative around here.

Win Now is the way to go. Worked GREAT for the last two regimes! Third time's a charm!
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Nah, let's change it to "Let's ignore inconvenient history and pesky facts" planet.

History with past GMs and coaches has no relevance to today. Reid and Dorsey are not Pioli and Crennel or Peterson and Herm. Give them a chance. They haven't even had one single practice yet and you guys are already pronouncing them a failure. Absurd.

To be fair if history doesn't matter to the new regime.......Why do we keep repeating the mistakes of the past?

What was a mistake in the past isn't necessarily a mistake today. It is a different situation.

So our failure to draft a starting QB worth a crap since Len Dawson is just happenstance?

Or incompetence. But we don't know that Reid/Dorsey are also incompetent just because past people were. And we didn't draft Len Dawson. The greatest QB in Chiefs history, a HOF QB, was a retread. His record in the NFL before joining the AFL's Dallas Texans, was a complete failure. 21 passes for 204 yards and two touchdowns in his five (pre-AFL) seasons in the NFL before being cut.

Alex Smith has been far more successful than Lenny was before coming to this team.

Yep, lets keep applying 60's logic to this franchise; it works GREAT!
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I am not pronouncing them failures. I disagree with their approach.

this is the rationale of failure that keeps the chiefs from getting a QB

Whats the definition of insanity again?

Oh yah: repeating the same behavior, but expecting a different result

They have a QB. He just isn't a drafted rookie, so you are butthurt. Not my problem.

No it's not so take your Holier than thou shit somewhere else and quit bitching.

The Chiefs haven't done much to generate happiness since this board has existed.

Since the creation of Chiefsplanet the Chiefs are 89-122, including the two worst seasons in franchise history (2-14 in 2008 and in 2012), and 0-3 in the playoffs.

the truth is that some people here will not be happy until we draft a 1st round QB. ANY first round QB, it doesn't matter.

My name is Sweet Dick. Pleased to meet you.
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youre a retart

RunKC is just one of those idiots who has to be on the opposite side of the argument. He flip flops like a little bitch.

Some would like to see their franchise go the route the majority of franchises have done to get a franchise qb instead of taking the route they perceive to be much less likely.

We are the worst franchise in the nfl and one of the worst in all of sports so yeah people are pretty negative right now. Frankly I'm surprised it took this long

plenty of people would be happy just winning ONE ****ing playoff game


you moron

cant you see that? the people that arent happy about alex smith do not think he will help with that idea

you god damn idiot

I think the negativity is squashed by the unicorns and rainbow morons of this fan base.

I don't necessarily think that, he is just ok with whatever move the new front office makes. Frankly that's the way it probably should be but after the pioli disaster an the past 20 years some have the whole fool me once mantra going.

The Chiefs didn't draft Dawson. He was drafted by the Steelers and then went to the Browns after that. The Browns actually cut him.

Please, we are not the worst franchise in the NFL when Oakland and Phoenix are in the league. More hyperbole.

My, aren't you angry.

Being an asshole doesn't really help your case, it just makes you an asshole.

What? Are you serious with this? We haven't win a playoff game in 20 years, both those teams have been to SBS in that time.


What makes us a better franchise than those two teams?


Sure we have a good looking future and our owner is giving it his damnedest, but at this point we are the browns

nah, they never woulda drafted Flacco. I believe they lol'd at the ravens for that.

quit ****ing pretending everyone who doesnt like the trade is an idiot

we all want to win, period


i guarantee you if alex smith wins a playoff game, no one will care we didnt draft him...except for 1 or 2 idiots that everyone should already have on ignore

flat out guarantee

Yes, I am serious. The Raiders had one good season basically since the 80s. until he died they had a senile idiot running the team. Phoenix has been just as bad. The Browns are probably the worst.

I'm not saying you are an idiot, I'm saying you are acting like an asshole BECAUSE YOU ARE ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE. Go back and read your insulting post to me that I did nothing to deserve. I was being polite to you, but apparently disagreeing with you enrages you and turns you into a raving asshole.

you mean before this one: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=855 ??

you ****ing spazz

go cry to your two dads and suck milk from their teets

by the way , your version of polite is saying shit to me you wouldnt say to my face...just fyi

So those teams have had 1 or 2 good years since the 80s and are worse than the chiefs who haven't had any good years that result in a playoff win since, well pretty much the 80s.

I guess if it makes you feel better as a fan go ahead and think that but even more in terms of they way the franchises have been ran from the management side of things, up to this point the chiefs are right there with the bottom feeders of the league.

didnt oakland sweep us, its all painful

If he gets us 1 single playoff win, I'll be like, ok. This was a good trade.

I would say anything to your face, tough guy.

The Chiefs had the most wins of any team in the 90s. That is more than any of those other teams can say.

And have about te fewest wins of any team since.