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Look, I'm not predicting that they're going to win a championship with this roster (although it would be nice!). But they've upgraded nearly every position nicely and added solid depth, which is something they've been lacking, in what seems like, forever. Unlike Milkman, I'm positive that this coaching staff is the best we've seen seen Vermeil and it's likely to be the best since Marty's heyday. It won't take much to improve this defense and using an attacking scheme with the athletes on this roster should provide huge dividends. This team had a 1,500 yard running back last year on a team that couldn't pass. The offensive line is a year older and the additions of Schwartz and Fisher should be serious upgrades (and if Stephenson or Allen beats out Schwartz, it's likely to help long term stability on the line). The bottom line is that this team's roster has been upgraded and the coaching staff is a complete 180 in terms of past success. I believe in the old 10 year rule set by John Madden, so the only knock I have on Reid is that he stayed too long in Philly. |
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Steve Young Trent Green That's what we are hoping for. A guy that wasnt good until his late 20s...hopefully Alex continues to improve and gives us some fun years. |
The plan of trading for a backup QB worked out well twice. Montana and Green were not failures.
Montana made us SB worthy. It was just bad luck that he got hurt. He was old though. Trent was absolutely worth 2 1st round picks. Our offense was elite for a good 4 years with him. The reason the DV years were failures was because of King Carl and DV drafting horrible players most of the time. Anyone remember the offseason when all we did was bring back Gunter and not sign any FA's to fix the defense? Enough said. I know every single one of you would love it if Alex Smith turned out to be like Trent was in the early 2000's. |
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Teams draft QB's all the time and dont win a SB with them but that's a success according to CP. You trade for a QB and have a chance to win and its failure/CP. We have done this before it didnt work/CP I wonder what Brown's fans think about drafting QBs, they seem to have drafted about 5 first rounders and haven't done shit, by CP logic they need to trade for a QB because what they have done hasn't worked. |
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Son of a...bitch. If I ever become like you two, I authorize Bugeater and Frazod to take me to the nearest landfill, put a bullet in my mother****ing head, and stuff me in an old refrigerator. And I would imagine that most intelligent Browns fans feel like that they are least putting an effort forth, though probably not getting the best pick possible from the FO. |
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Trading that high of a first rounder for 5 years at quarterback is only deemed a good or bad trade in playoff wins. That's nothing against Trent Green at all, it's gauging the trade and how it effected the teams success. Sorry, but some of us still think the Chiefs should win playoff games...Green played in 1 playoff game in 5 years. The right decision (as it almost always is) would have been to draft Drew Brees with that pick. |
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Trent Green DID work out as planned. Unfortunately, DV and Carl forgot that you need at least some semblance of a defense to win a championship. |
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Also, you know damn well that the Chiefs not winning in the post season had nothing to do with Green. 3 consecutive 4000 yrd seasons. |
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Trent Green is not the reason we didn't win any playoff games so that argument is not valid. You are using the assumption that we draft Brees and then draft enough good players so that 3- 5 years later we have a contending team. Knowing what you know now, yea that would have been the thing to do, at that time it ended up as a 4 year window where we had one of the best offenses in the league if not the best. We failed to win PO games because of Greg Robinson and Vermiel being too loyal to his guys. The big mistake was not developing a guy behind Green. They were in win now mode and mortgage the future. It had nothing to do with being "scared" to draft a QB as people here like to imply. |
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The problem I had with Trent Green was the short window of opportunity he gave us. With the piss poor defense we had we never could get the pieces in place and then Trent Green went down and was never the same. That is why I want to draft a quarterback so we can open up a long term duration of opportunity and build a team around that quarterback. Not build the team and squeeze life out of players on a two year chance the retread is who they say he is. |
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I think the Chiefs will do really pretty well this year, but people will bitch and moan about ASmith saying, "Uh, well, just imagine what we could of done if we had drafted and groomed our own QB." People don't seem to understand that this is a TEAM sport. Reid and Dorsey are finding the parts/players that fit their concept of how they want their team to play. QB is the most important position on the team but some QBs fit a team scheme better than others-- and yes, that means in certain schemes a dink and dunk game managing QB will be more effective than a sexy cannon armed QB in other schemes. I think Reid's scheme will be methodical, surgical and time consuming--and Alex Smith is the perfect QB for that type of scheme. I don't think Reid and Dorsey were blowing smoke when they said they believe that ASmith can be a future Hall of Famer--in their particular scheme he may very well wind up with a bust in Canton. Is it a guarentee? No. Far from it. However, if there is one scheme where he has any chance at all, it will be under Reid. Between our revamped O-line, our upgraded TEs, Bowe, and the ever dangerous Charles, our offense will be a force to be reckoned with over the next few years. ASmith is a cerebral QB; he understands the game and he knows how to get the ball to his playmakers and how to put them in a position to make plays. He doesn't have to do everything himself. There is nothing wrong with being a good manager; a good manager in business knows how to get the most out of the strengths of those people he hires and surrounds himself with-- in football, it is the same thing. A good game managing QB not only increases the productivity of those players on offense, but those on defense as well by keeping them rested, ready to attack and forcing the other team into a one dimensional offense because they are playing catch up both in time and points. |
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And as far as "game managers" they're called that not because of what they add but because of what they don't take away. It's because they're first job is to not **** up. Smith is excellent at that... |
How many quarterbacks did Will Shields have to protect and block for?
If he had one quarterback during his time that we drafted I bet we would have been in better shape to knock down the door in the playoffs. |
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They made legitimate attempts. That cannot be contested. The problem is they never found the answer. |
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Props as well to folks like Marcellus, Dane McC, RunKC ( and even BossChief for at least keeping an open mind ) for keeping this place worthy of reading. :clap: |
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Of course not on defense duh. They would have been able to put the team together better with consistency from the quarterback & build around him. We need a quarterback that is going be around more than 4-5 years that gets better with the team each year. |
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Why? He's bad on third down. He doesn't put up points. So...why? Trent Green certainly didn't improve our defense. In fact one of our better defenses here during his time was during his first season. |
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The 2011 49ers were: 30th in passing first downs 31st in third down conversion percentage If that is what the 2013 Kansas City Chiefs can expect, **** Alex Smith. |
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I mean ****, 2010 Matt Cassel BLEW AWAY 2011 Alex Smith in terms of third down conversion percentage and passing first downs. |
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That's it. He's a sell-able stop-gap they hope can be more than a stop-gap. Dorsey picked the guy with the least downside... |
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When properly used. That said Andy wants to make him ****ing Brett Fah-ver-uh... |
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You stated that Smith won't help the defense. That's complete nonsense. By not turning over the ball on their own side of the field constantly, he'll help the defense. By not throwing interception after interception, he'll help the defense. By not constantly fumbling in Chiefs territory, he'll help the defense. You have absolutely no idea how well Alex Smith will perform under Reid, Ault, Childress or Pedersen, yet you're assuming the worst. Why? Quote:
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Yep Brees would have been a huge reach. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ckdraft_april/ http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ckdraft_march/ Or the other mocks http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ckdraft_final/ http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...draft/mock.htm That's just a quick google search that all had Brees in the first round. Hell he went 32. |
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I'm merely pointing out that Alex Smith doesn't help defenses like a top tier QB would. He's not doing shit for our defense that Matt Cassel couldn't do in 2010. That's all Matt did in 2010. He didn't turn it over. If that's all Alex is going to do, that's not enough. You want to help the defense? Own third down and extend drives. That is something Alex Smith has shown time and time again that he can't do. |
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Why do you place the blame solely on his shoulders? Do you believe that he had the personnel to extend drives on third down? Do believe that he had the correct play calls in order to extend drives? Or did he butt-fumble himself into mistakes constantly and if so, how was his QB rating so high and his team successful the past two years? You're taking stats and creating a narrative in which Alex Smith's play was the reason why they didn't go to the Super Bowl in 2011, why Alex Smith was traded and why Alex Smith won't improve or lead the Chiefs to the playoffs in Kansas City. It's a false narrative. |
You're being a homer, Dane. The 49ers have been at or near the bottom of the league in third down conversions Alex Smith's ENTIRE CAREER.
If it happens again here in KC, he's going to be a huge disappointment. If you want to put your head in the sand, fine. Don't accuse those of us taking an objective view of this turd as being somehow ignorant of something, though. |
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Again, you are taking statistics and creating your own narrative. You're not taking into account that the 49ers have had an average to below average receiving corp. You're not taking into account the plays that were called (and don't get me started on the final 49er's drive of the Super Bowl: I've never witnessed such pathetic play calling in my life) and you're not taking into consideration the opposition or what he was asked to do in those situations. And furthermore, your assessment of Geno Smith, his value as perceived by the NFL, its scouts, GM's, etc., could not have been further off the mark. Yet, you're attempting to convince anyone and everyone that will listen to you that you're right about Alex Smith, based on PFF numbers? It's a false narrative at best and disingenuous at worst. |
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The only thing I see happening is you flip flopping mid season or sooner as usual. |
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There's nothing "false narrative" about poiniting out that Alex Smith sucks on third down.
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And there is no way to ascertain whether or not Alex Smith has the same problem in Kansas City as he did in San Fran until there's actual data to analyze. |
imagine a 900 post thread extolling the merits of Applebees....
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After 8 years in the league. Sure, Dane. Ride on your steed of homerism! http://irnub.com/content/wp-content/...rn-rainbow.jpg |
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You're attention whoring is boring but at least you've got a follower in SweetDickWillie/ROR/DCS. You must be proud. |
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OK. This is getting dumb. Every QB in the league has to convert on third down in every game 6 or 7 times at least. Also, pointing to 2012 stats is weak since Alex didn't even finish the whole season. It paints an incomplete picture. |
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Since when is taking an optimistic approach, whining? |
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ROFL I get it, I'm just a silly homer. |
Yes, I'm being objective about Alex Smith.
If I was being unobjective I would say he completely sucks and he will kill this team. He won't. He just won't do much for it beyond "hey thanks for not ****ing up the rest of the team bro." |
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Passing shot here, but isn't the trend in competitive avenues is to be naturally aggressive and then learn to be more guarded than the reverse?
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Optimism does not equal "Homerism". That's ridiculous. Was it "Homerism" to expect that Eric Berry, Jammal Charles and Tony Moeaki return to form in 2012? No, it was not. It was optimism. I'm optimistic that Andy Reid and his talented offensive staff, along with the acquisition of Fisher, Schwartz, Avery, Fasano and Smith, can put together a solid Top 15 offense in 2013. That does not make me, or anyone else that views it similarly, a "Homer". And if you believe that does, you're as dumb as SweetDickWillie, which I hope is not possible. |
If the chiefs go to the super bowl, some on here will claim A. Smith rode the coat tails of "insert coach or players here". They look to argue no matter what and actually hope he falls flat on his face. Those are some real good fans.
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You're stupid. Thanks for confirming it. Oh, and thanks for redefining the words "optimism" and "homer". I'll be sure to alert Webster's. |
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This is the shit I'm talking about. |
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All I see is nonsense and a person that lacks any semblance of cognitive ability. You're worse than GoChiefs. At least he can formulate sentences. |
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