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Hootie 07-26-2015 11:21 AM

finnegan and lamb mean nothing to me ... finny is overrated because of his story

C3HIEF3S 07-26-2015 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever (Post 11619163)
He has Volquez... How many does he need? That's a short-sighted way to look at this trade. Cueto is a hired gun that we mindlessly throw out for every Game 1. I doubt he gives Yordano any mind-altering, innovative advice over the next three months.

Cueto actually knows how to pitch to major league hitters. He uses deception to his advantage, he changes his delivery times to home plate all while maintaining his velocity and command.

Ventura rears back and sails a 98 mph fastball to home and hopes that a major league hitter can't touch it. Ventura can learn so much from Cueto and the art of pitching rather than simply being a fireballer who has no command on his off-speed.

wazu 07-26-2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 11619149)
Cueto will be a nice mentor for Ventura for the time being.
Cueto, Volquez + Ventura (all Dominicans) should be beneficial in some way for Yordano.

I keep hearing how Volquez is a great mentor, but seems like Ventura did a lot better last year without him around. I'm not saying he's a negative, but it just seems kind of odd that people report on Volquez mentoring Ventura so much.

58-4ever 07-26-2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 11619172)
Short sided? Ventura is our only long term option in our rotation right now..

NO, "short-sighted".. JFC. :shake: I would elaborate, but never mind. Please read my first post.

BWillie 07-26-2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11619135)
I don't think trading Duffy for Cueto would make much sense at all...hopefully I am missing your sarcasm

Just responding to someone saying that Duffy may have been involved, but yes it would make no sense if he was

Reaper16 07-26-2015 11:22 AM

I kinda see where the "Cueto will be a good influence for Ventura" stuff comes from. I mean, Cueto was once a player who got so mad (albeit in a brawl situation) that he kicked a dude in the head and ended his career. Cueto has since learned to control those emotions, and such lessons could be helpful for Ventura.

alnorth 07-26-2015 11:24 AM

Between the two teams, there are only two minor league teams with late home games today where they may not have been able to reach the player yet. Our single-A team (Lexington) and the Reds AA team (Pensacola)

edit: well, Billings also but that is the Reds rookie ball team, so unlikely.

Anyong Bluth 07-26-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11619152)
It's not that dire. I think we have about 3 years left. And even then, we'll have guys like Perez and Ventura for even longer, plus some of the prospects coming up.

It doesn't have to be a 1-2 year window if we play it right. But the fact is we're here now in a position to win it all. You have to strike. You don't know what the future will hold, guys will regress, get hurt, etc. You have to strike when you have the chance.

Yep, this team is an unbelievable jaw-dropping hot chick. Every day that passes is tiny amount of wow that diminishes. Sure, she can get some work done, a little tuneup, but it won't ever match her in her prime.
Just like other players will come in and replace, but this is a special team with a special chemistry.

You better seize it all while you're still in your prime and have the world by the balls.

58-4ever 07-26-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 11619182)
Cueto actually knows how to pitch to major league hitters. He uses deception to his advantage, he changes his delivery times to home plate all while maintaining his velocity and command.

Ventura rears back and sails a 98 mph fastball to home and hopes that a major league hitter can't touch it. Ventura can learn so much from Cueto and the art of pitching rather than simply being a fireballer who has no command on his off-speed.

IT'S OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE WITH A BRAIN THAT VENTURA NEEDS TO LEARN TO PITCH AND NOT THROW. I DON'T THINK CUETO IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO TRY AND TELL HIM.

wazu 07-26-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11619181)
finnegan and lamb mean nothing to me ... finny is overrated because of his story

I'm fine with losing them both, but Finnegan has sentimental value because of how he performed in the playoffs, particularly the wild card game last year.

tk13 07-26-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 11619180)
The odds are greater that we go back to being the Royals we all know and dread after the next two years. Sad to say but it's true. Gotta eat while it's hot.

No it's not. We have the best catcher in the American League to handle a pitching staff. We have a guy who can develop into an ace in Ventura. We have some prospects, depending on who we just traded away. Mondesi, Starling, Manaea, etc. We have more money because we've finally had success, and right about when this group leaves, we'll be signing a new TV deal for a lot more money. I don't know if we'll be the best team in the AL, probably not, but the foundation is there to be competitive at least.

BWillie 07-26-2015 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11619169)
cueto is a top 10 pitcher in baseball ... 10 x better than shields

I think we are all aware of this

C3HIEF3S 07-26-2015 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 11619183)
I keep hearing how Volquez is a great mentor, but seems like Ventura did a lot better last year without him around. I'm not saying he's a negative, but it just seems kind of odd that people report on Volquez mentoring Ventura so much.

Ventura also didn't experience any adversity last year. No need for any help when the league hasn't adjusted to your repertoire. This year the league adjusted to him and we all see what has happened to him.

Volquez has been through exactly what Ventura has, Cueto knows how to deal. I am probably overrating this, but it cannot hurt to have that outlet for Ventura.

Sure-Oz 07-26-2015 11:27 AM

@JeffPassan: Question now for Royals: Do they go and get Ben Zobrist, too? The fit is absolutely perfect. Nationals and Mets, among others, are in play.

BWillie 07-26-2015 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11619176)
If the Royals thought that was remotely true, they wouldn't be dealing. And they wouldn't have kept Lamb in Omaha with all the rotation problems.

They have better info on the guy than anyone else.

Well yeah, theres uncertainty. Thats why I said might. Certainly not unreasonable Lamb could give you a high 3 ERA the rest of the year. That to me would be 80% of what you would get out of Cueto.


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