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I just thing the Chiefs, who so frequently utilize a move TE who isn't playing in-line to provide protection to the RT, don't have a true RT/LT distinction if they have things there way.

And if Harrison, Wright or maaaaaybe Mauch are there for them at 31, that may be enough for them to pull the trigger.

Man, Mauch could be so damn good. I feel like he might be turning into a draft crush for me. I don't think he makes it to 63 so...

duncan_idaho

03-21-2023 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16868172)

You think he sticks at T with sub-33" arms?

raybec 4

03-21-2023 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16868167)

Ok, that's what I thought, but then Pest said no you just don't think they "have to" and you said exactly.

So again, you were contradicting yourself a bit there and it's caused some confusion.

I just don't see how you can be worried about Niang AND be against drafting an OT in the 1st.

Both things can be true. There are a hell of a lot of good RTs that weren't drafted in the 1st. I'd say it depends on what other positions are available on their board and the impact they think it will have to draft those positions.

Pitt Gorilla

03-21-2023 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16868158)

It kind of feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth man. It's pretty obvious that you flat out don't want them to draft a T at 31.

Honestly, I think we're in pretty good position to take BPA and that's awesome.

DJ's left nut

03-21-2023 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16868175)

You think he sticks at T with sub-33" arms?

Great feet, though. You can get away with a lot if you can keep your base under you and re-anchor even if the DE beats you to your chest. That's exactly how Schwartz did it - 33 inch arms but outstanding feet/technique.

But you're probably right. He's probably a reach at 31 and maybe a significant one.

He just has pretty rare movement for an OT.

htismaqe

03-21-2023 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16868167)

Like I said, it wasn't contradictory at all. There two completely different thought processes and I identified them as such in one of very posts in this thread.

As for the question, I can be worried about Niang and against drafting a RT in the 1st. Because quality RT's can be had for far less than a first round pick. Edge players, for example, aren't that easy. If one of the better edge's fall and we take a right tackle? Yeah, no.

Balto

03-21-2023 05:21 PM

Paris would be the tackle I'd trade up for and then sitting at #31 I wouldn't take Harrison or Wright as I feel I'd be a slight reach.

htismaqe

03-21-2023 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16868176)

Exactly.

staylor26

03-21-2023 05:25 PM

Guys, THIS is what I was referring to when I said "contradicting"

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16868099)

I'm not sure he's AGAINST an OT at 31.He's against claiming that OT at 31 is our only move.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16868150)

Exactly.

Here's the way I think about it. Of the OT's that could be there and are worth a 1st round pick, those guys pretty much all project to LT at some point. We don't need a LT AT ALL. I truly believe Taylor is the long-term starter there barring some unforeseen meltdown. And if that happens, they will probably target a LT next year because Taylor's contract doesn't have an out until 2025.

I just don't think the Chiefs see it the way some of you do. All this talk about drafting an OT in the first is talking about taking a LEFT tackle and moving him to right. That's just not as good of value as taking a left tackle and playing him on the left. In reality, I think many of you are holding out hope that Taylor ultimately ends up at RT and our stud draftee takes over at LT. It's not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16868163)

You might want to go back and read my original posts from this morning.

I very clearly said that I don't want them to take a tackle at 31.

I also very clearly said that I believe they will put Taylor at LT and not draft a RT in the first round.

Those are two completely different ideas, independent of each other, and as I mentioned, I already pretty clearly laid out the difference between what I want and what I think they will do.

Rausch

03-21-2023 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16868186)

Exactly.

And I'm not super excited about the tackles this year anyway. Not the best crop ever.

Finish the DL, grab a WR for the future, TE, etc...

Balto

03-21-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16868172)

I think Mauch will get looks as a center for some teams. The guy can move and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Tall but so are other centers like Mitch Morse.

I actually think Mitch Morse is a perfect comp for Mauch

staylor26

03-21-2023 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16868176)

That's fine, and I don't disagree, but that's not what he said. He clearly said he doesn't want the Chiefs to take a tackle at 31 period.

htismaqe

03-21-2023 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16868191)

Guys, THIS is what I was referring to when I said "contradicting"

Again, two different thought streams, two different conversations going on at once.

They're BOTH true. I would prefer they not draft a tackle in the first. But as I already demonstrated, I'm not dead set against it if there are no other options. It would just be my last resort, not my first, as some are advocating here. That's what I want. I would rather see them draft tackle depth (with some upside) in the middle rounds.

As for what I think will actually happen - I've been clear about that too. I think the Chiefs view it much the same way I do. That's where my wants and their plan come together and probably why this seems confusing. I think the Chiefs will ultimately do what I want - they're going to stick Taylor at LT, draft an OT in the middle rounds, and look to start Niang at RT to start the season.

Is the distinction clear now?

htismaqe

03-21-2023 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16868199)

That's fine, and I don't disagree, but that's not what he said. He clearly said he doesn't want the Chiefs to take a tackle at 31 period.

Dude, I literally posted this an hour and 10 minutes ago.

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You said it yourself, it gets thin fast. There's decent chance no good tackle is there at 31. You don't want to reach for a 2nd tier guy when other positions are falling down the board. If you're drafting for need, it's gotta be a WR (and I'm not suggesting they have to go WR in the 1st, it's just a bigger need than RT). Now if we go and get Hopkins or OBJ, that changes everything. Beyond that, I still think Edge is a bigger need than RT.

I just don't see any way to say drafting a RT at 31 is a good thing unless one of the LT prospects falls all the way down. And I just don't see the Chiefs pulling the trigger. I know people think the Chiefs would just draft a LT and move Taylor to RT but I just don't think they will.

I've been pretty clear I'm not against drafting an OT at 31 regardless of scenario.

staylor26

03-21-2023 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16868200)

I don't mean to get into an argument about semantics but:

"I very clearly said I don't want them to take a OT at 31"

And

"I'm not against them taking a tackle at 31"

Are absolutely contradictory statements dude. Now you've changed it to "I would prefer they not..."

I'm seriously not trying to be a dick here, but you're making it seem like it's just that I'm not getting it.

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