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philfree 01-15-2013 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9319882)
Yes.

But that's not at all unusual for a QB this time of year. And let's face it, people in a general sense have a harder time evaluating the players at the position. RG3 was barely considered a top-10 pick prior to March of last year, and to this day people still refer to him as a running QB despite the fact that he had developed into quite the successful pocket passer at Baylor. A year earlier, Cam Newton was rarely (if ever) discussed as the #1 pick, and by the time the draft rolled, ESPN (Kiper) on the live broadcast called it a "risky" pick. I think everyone (myself included) was surprised by his rookie year, and how much more of a polished presence he had in the pocket, since (unlike RG3) he primarily was a runner at Auburn. Bradford had the shoulder issue and the "spread QB" monkey on his back in 2010 (people talk about this year as a weak class...look back at that one sometime). People argued strongly against Matthew Stafford in 2009, because while he has a rocket launcher, he threw too many picks. (Ironically, also in 2009, you had people fall madly in love with an inexperienced project player (Mark Sanchez), something which also often happens, but that's a whole other post.)

Probably the closest association that I can make to this year is 2008, when Matt Ryan went 3rd, which in retrospect was an absolute travesty. (Remember, the Dolphins took Jake Long and the Rams Chris Long.) Coming out of BC, Ryan was criticized for a lack of arm strength and for throwing interceptions. Comments were made at the time (by professionals) questioning whether he would even be a first round pick in "any other year". (Where've we heard that before...) People actually thought the Falcons should've taken Glenn Dorsey.

So my question is this: do we want to be the Dolphins and Rams from 2008? Or do we want to be the Falcons?

Why is this so hard??
Nice. I've been using Ryan as the litmus test for this years QB prospects. If a prospect is at least as good a prospect as Matt Ryan then he's good enough to take with the 1st pick in the draft.

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 9320356)
I would just like to bring up, yes there are some Geno detractors in this thread. But 90% of the mock drafts out there have us taking him. Dont let blackbob and friends **** up your mojo. Hell, if he was white there wouldn't be any discussion about him not being good enough. Hes a black QB who doesn't run, so Mel Kiper, BlackbobrunKC, and other internet trolls are scared.
:insert snarky Arrowhead Pride/Gang Signs comment here:

I think Geno's race is a detractor for him. There just haven't been that many true pro-style/pure passer black QBs (Leftwich? JaPorky?) and people are slow to adjust.

Different is weird, and weird is bad (for most).

Three7s 01-15-2013 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320289)
Before I really started paying attention to Geno, I also had some thought he was a Air Raid/YAC creation. When you start reading scouting reports, watching his throws package, etc., that thought HAS to fade away if you're being objective.

But things like seeing all the varied throws he makes (and especially the touch on them) were an impressive selling point. The only thing he really needs to prove from a throw department is that he understands when to drill a throw in.

He understands touch.
He throws the fade very well.
He fits throws into the second level.
He's willing to take a hit to make a throw.
He throws the deep ball accurately and with touch (As a Mizzou fan, I'm used to watching strong-arm guys rifle a great-looking bomb that ends up 6 yards over the WRs head... cough, cough, Blaine Gabbert, cough, cough...)

Also, seeing the chart about him throwing to various areas of the field was a cementing bit of evidence. He can threaten every level of the defense.

Complaining about a guy being a product of YAC and just making accurate throws to WRs when the new coach is a WCO disciple seems silly/naive, too. That's what the whole WCO is predicated upon!
Seeing as you watched quite a bit of Gabbert, would you say Smith is at a higher level at this point?

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9320524)
Seeing as you watched quite a bit of Gabbert, would you say Smith is at a higher level at this point?
From what I've seen? Yeah. Now, I didn't watch every single throw Smith made in college (like I did with Gabbert). But I have seen enough to feel confident Geno is a better prospect overall.

He doesn't match Gabbert's physical ability, not quite. But he gets more out of what he has than Gabbert. Size is similar. Smith isn't probably as straight-line fast, but he's much craftier in the pocket and uses his mobility better. Arm strength is an edge to Gabbert, but Smith's is still very good.

Biggest differences are pocket presence/accuracy. Smith has them in spades. Gabbert didn't.

BigCatDaddy 01-15-2013 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320537)
From what I've seen? Yeah. Now, I didn't watch every single throw Smith made in college (like I did with Gabbert). But I have seen enough to feel confident Geno is a better prospect overall.

He doesn't match Gabbert's physical ability, not quite. But he gets more out of what he has than Gabbert. Size is similar. Smith isn't probably as straight-line fast, but he's much craftier in the pocket and uses his mobility better. Arm strength is an edge to Gabbert, but Smith's is still very good.

Biggest differences are pocket presence/accuracy. Smith has them in spades. Gabbert didn't.
In other words Smith has a pair, Gabbert not so much.

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320403)
:insert snarky Arrowhead Pride/Gang Signs comment here:

I think Geno's race is a detractor for him. There just haven't been that many true pro-style/pure passer black QBs (Leftwich? JaPorky?) and people are slow to adjust.

Different is weird, and weird is bad (for most).
Well that's just blatantly racist. I guess you missed what Russell Wilson and Robert Griffin did this season.

Warren Moon? Donovan McNabb? Steve McNair?

SAUTO 01-15-2013 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320559)
Well that's just blatantly racist. I guess you missed what Russell Wilson and Robert Griffin did this season.

Warren Moon? Donovan McNabb? Steve McNair?
and you are just stupid.

are any of them pocket passers?

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9320566)
and you are just stupid.

are any of them pocket passers?
Moon, McNabb, and McNair were. Just because you can run doesn't automatically preclude you from being a pocket passer. Wilson and Griffin are both scramblers, but had a lot of success passing. Griffin had 5 interceptions, for Christ's sakes.

SAUTO 01-15-2013 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320570)
Moon, McNabb, and McNair were. Just because you can run doesn't automatically preclude you from being a pocket passer. Wilson and Griffin are both scramblers, but had a lot of success passing. Griffin had 5 interceptions, for Christ's sakes.
griffin and wilson arent pure pocket passers.

if you think so you are and idiot

hometeam 01-15-2013 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320537)
From what I've seen? Yeah. Now, I didn't watch every single throw Smith made in college (like I did with Gabbert). But I have seen enough to feel confident Geno is a better prospect overall.

He doesn't match Gabbert's physical ability, not quite. But he gets more out of what he has than Gabbert. Size is similar. Smith isn't probably as straight-line fast, but he's much craftier in the pocket and uses his mobility better. Arm strength is an edge to Gabbert, but Smith's is still very good.

Biggest differences are pocket presence/accuracy. Smith has them in spades. Gabbert didn't.

I also watched all of Gabbert. Geno is ten times the QB that Gabbert was. When Gabbert decided to come out I knew it was based on where he would go on the draft, not on how well he would do in the NFL.

Gabbert pretty much sucked ass compared to Geno.

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9320581)
griffin and wilson arent pure pocket passers.

if you think so you are and idiot
Shifting the goal posts now, aren't we. They're good quarterbacks. That's the point. The moron above openly doubted whether a black player can be a good quarterback.

Please tell me you aren't so dense as to agree with him.

Nightfyre 01-15-2013 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320602)
Shifting the goal posts now, aren't we. They're good quarterbacks. That's the point. The moron above openly doubted whether a black player can be a good quarterback.

Please tell me you aren't so dense as to agree with him.
You have some serious reading comprehension fail.

BigCatDaddy 01-15-2013 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320602)
Shifting the goal posts now, aren't we. They're good quarterbacks. That's the point. The moron above openly doubted whether a black player can be a good quarterback.

Please tell me you aren't so dense as to agree with him.
Are you referring to Duncan? If so go back and read what he said again. I think you misunderstood.

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9320605)
You have some serious reading comprehension fail.
No.
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There just haven't been that many true pro-style/pure passer black QBs
That was his incredibly moronic comment. I pointed to three right off the bat who were successful "pro-style/pure passer" black quarterbacks. Wilson and Griffin are also very good passers, though they rely heavily on scrambling. They're certainly no Michael Vick, who was actually a terrible quarterback who happened to have a cannon arm and be able to run.

Thanks for trying, though.

keg in kc 01-15-2013 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320602)
The moron above openly doubted whether a black player can be a good quarterback.
No he didn't. He was talking about other people and their perception of black QBs. Not his own. And I think he's probably correct. Black QBs are often talked about in different terms than white QBs, with more focus placed on their athleticism than their skill set and in general more questioning of their intelligence and their work ethic. It's better than it used to be, but there's still a ways to go.

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9320626)
No he didn't. He was talking about other people and their perception of black QBs. Not his own. And I think he's probably correct. Black QBs are often talked about in different terms than white QBs, with more focus placed on their athleticism than their skill set and in general more questioning of their intelligence and their work ethic. It's better than it used to be, but there's still a ways to go.
I know what he's doing. It's still an inherently racist point. The fact that there haven't been many black quarterbacks overall clouds his judgment of the proportion that are pure passers. It's much higher than he thinks.

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320559)
Well that's just blatantly racist. I guess you missed what Russell Wilson and Robert Griffin did this season.

Warren Moon? Donovan McNabb? Steve McNair?
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that racism is holding Smith's perception back.

People are used to stud black QBs being able to be running threats (Griffin, Wilson, McNabb, McNair - all guys with great quickness or speed or escapability or all three). When they see one who is a pure pocket passer like Smith, that racism comes in. Despite the fact that Smith is MUCH MUCH more accurate than Wilson or Glennon, people have a hard time buying it because he's black.

Nightfyre 01-15-2013 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320636)
I know what he's doing. It's still an inherently racist point. The fact that there haven't been many black quarterbacks overall clouds his judgment of the proportion that are pure passers. It's much higher than he thinks.
His point is that many people are subconsciously racist and that it influences their ability to objectively assess Geno Smith, whom he supports. You are a raging dumbass who has been told this by about 35 different posters.

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320642)
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that racism is holding Smith's perception back.

People are used to stud black QBs being able to be running threats (Griffin, Wilson, McNabb, McNair - all guys with great quickness or speed or escapability or all three). When they see one who is a pure pocket passer like Smith, that racism comes in. Despite the fact that Smith is MUCH MUCH more accurate than Wilson or Glennon, people have a hard time buying it because he's black.
Oh, okay. You're right. My apologies.

keg in kc 01-15-2013 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320636)
I know what he's doing.
You obviously don't.
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320651)
Oh, okay. You're right. My apologies.
Okay, now you do.

SAUTO 01-15-2013 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320602)
Shifting the goal posts now, aren't we. They're good quarterbacks. That's the point. The moron above openly doubted whether a black player can be a good quarterback.

Please tell me you aren't so dense as to agree with him.
major comprehension fail on your part.

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9320748)
major comprehension fail on your part.
Major heterosexuality fail on your part.

SAUTO 01-15-2013 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320759)
Major heterosexuality fail on your part.
huh?


go **** your momma, bitch.

binkybink77 01-15-2013 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320759)
Major heterosexuality fail on your part.
Why is your meter all red while everyone else's is green?

keg in kc 01-15-2013 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320759)
Major heterosexuality fail on your part.
Defending ethnic groups and then attacking sexual orientation. You're definitely oxymoronic enough to fit in here. If you're okay with red rep.

Chiefnj2 01-15-2013 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320642)
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that racism is holding Smith's perception back.

People are used to stud black QBs being able to be running threats (Griffin, Wilson, McNabb, McNair - all guys with great quickness or speed or escapability or all three). When they see one who is a pure pocket passer like Smith, that racism comes in. Despite the fact that Smith is MUCH MUCH more accurate than Wilson or Glennon, people have a hard time buying it because he's black.
Isn't his accuracy partially due to the system he is in? Didn't other air-raid QB's have exceptional accuracy #'s?

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 01:16 PM
:clap:

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by binkybink77 (Post 9320769)
Why is your meter all red while everyone else's is green?
I'm not sure. It says I'm worse than Cassel. That can't be good.

ChiefRocka 01-15-2013 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9320773)
Isn't his accuracy partially due to the system he is in? Didn't other air-raid QB's have exceptional accuracy #'s?
Wait for the wonderlic...

The Franchise 01-15-2013 01:20 PM
Has this been posted yet?

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keg in kc 01-15-2013 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9320773)
Isn't his accuracy partially due to the system he is in? Didn't other air-raid QB's have exceptional accuracy #'s?
Sure. Well, Couch did I guess.

Of course Smith was also accurate as a first year starter in a pro style offense.

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 01:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9320771)
Defending ethnic groups and then attacking sexual orientation. You're definitely oxymoronic enough to fit in here. If you're okay with red rep.
Thanks, I like it here. Gay jokes are always appropriate. Especially for a guy with a name in all caps.

Robert D. Ephius 01-15-2013 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9320768)
huh?


go **** your momma, bitch.
Damn son, you ran out of ammo really quick. A mom joke? Lmao!

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9320773)
Isn't his accuracy partially due to the system he is in? Didn't other air-raid QB's have exceptional accuracy #'s?
Yes, and until I looked at some of the statistical breakdown of his throws, I chalked a lot of that up to system. The throw chart that's been posted in here a few times shows that he isn't just completing a crazy number of short throws. His accuracy shows up at all three levels in all three zones of the field.

It's also just not about completion percentage. It's about ball placement, too.

That's something you'll see in the scouting reports. If you read several of them, you'll notice a lot of talk about his ability to put the throw where it HAS to go (not just where it can be caught). That's tough to teach.

Oh, you'll also read about his clean and consistent throwing mechanics in those scouting reports (a key to his accuracy).

htismaqe 01-15-2013 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9320773)
Isn't his accuracy partially due to the system he is in? Didn't other air-raid QB's have exceptional accuracy #'s?
Smith played in a pro style offense as a sophomore and still completed 65% and like a 25/5 TD/INT ratio.

htismaqe 01-15-2013 01:27 PM
Can we just assume that mult trolling is allowed per forum rules now?

JFC

keg in kc 01-15-2013 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9320831)
Can we just assume that mult trolling is allowed per forum rules now?

JFC
Seriously. Somebody's having a conversation with himself out loud.

The Franchise 01-15-2013 01:31 PM
Scott Wright from NFLdraftcountdown.com on Twitter. Mini Chiefs rant.

I don't understand the thought-process of KC fans who want take Joeckel at #1 and let Branden Albert walk as a free agent. How big of an upgrade would Joeckel be over Albert? Not much short-term and the o-line is the least of KC's problems. And it REALLY doesn't make sense to re-sign Albert to a huge young left tackle contract and move him inside to guard. Also, moving Albert inside to guard would displace Jeff Allen or Jon Asamoah, who were both recent Top 100 picks. Not an ideal situation for KC but they are going nowhere without a quarterback and they have their pick of the litter. There is no sure-thing like Luck or RG3 so Kansas City needs to decide on the QB they like most and pull the trigger. Finally, for KC fans who want to wait until early Round 2 for a QB keep in mind that is where Andy Reid took Kevin Kolb.

Chiefnj2 01-15-2013 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9320828)
Smith played in a pro style offense as a sophomore and still completed 65% and like a 25/5 TD/INT ratio.
What made it a pro style offense? When I see highlight clips of him from 2010 he's always in shotgun with 4 or 5 wide.

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 01:35 PM
Anyone have the link to the Redskins mock draft repository handy?

rico 01-15-2013 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9320803)
Has this been posted yet?

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God why on Earth is this QB class, primarily Geno so harshly critiqued..... it's driving me nuts, because dumbass people are buying into the diarrhea that is spewing from Kiper and co.'s mouths.

ChiefsCountry 01-15-2013 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320862)
Anyone have the link to the Redskins mock draft repository handy?
Its sticked at the top of DraftPlanet
http://www.hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

htismaqe 01-15-2013 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9320847)
What made it a pro style offense? When I see highlight clips of him from 2010 he's always in shotgun with 4 or 5 wide.
Spacing of the offensive linemen and no zone read, mainly.

rico 01-15-2013 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9320845)
Scott Wright from NFLdraftcountdown.com on Twitter. Mini Chiefs rant.

I don't understand the thought-process of KC fans who want take Joeckel at #1 and let Branden Albert walk as a free agent. How big of an upgrade would Joeckel be over Albert? Not much short-term and the o-line is the least of KC's problems. And it REALLY doesn't make sense to re-sign Albert to a huge young left tackle contract and move him inside to guard. Also, moving Albert inside to guard would displace Jeff Allen or Jon Asamoah, who were both recent Top 100 picks. Not an ideal situation for KC but they are going nowhere without a quarterback and they have their pick of the litter. There is no sure-thing like Luck or RG3 so Kansas City needs to decide on the QB they like most and pull the trigger. Finally, for KC fans who want to wait until early Round 2 for a QB keep in mind that is where Andy Reid took Kevin Kolb.
Who are these KC fans pushing for this? Seriously, they need to be castrated and we need to be Casstrated.

the Talking Can 01-15-2013 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9320803)
Has this been posted yet?

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awesome...someone did 'research ' for runkc

Geno's play against OU is mind bottling...6 min mark: throw from the endzone, turns his back to the field, turns around and locates a WR, fires a 40 yard strike between 3 defenders while under pressure...in the 4th quarter, against the #8 pass defense in college

it is the pass of the year in college....

HolyHat 01-15-2013 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9320803)
Has this been posted yet?

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Its my signature

rico 01-15-2013 01:41 PM
So why did Tyler Bray all the sudden start falling so far in the mocks? Because of his alleged character flaws? The majority of 2014 mock drafts have him mocked as going #1 in what they consider to be an "improved QB class." Is that 1 additional year really potentially the vital to his growth as a player? Is it a character flaw thing or a talent thing that has pushed him down so low?

TVGuy 01-15-2013 01:45 PM
Donovan McNabb v2.0

DJ's left nut 01-15-2013 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9320803)
Has this been posted yet?

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Should I be repping Clay for this magnificence?

baitism 01-15-2013 01:48 PM
Don't shoot the messenger, but I just don't see anyway we draft Geno. Dorsey will want Flynn. Reid will want Vick. They probably grab one of those and draft which either of Geno, Wilson, Barkley that falls or that they trade up to get.

ChiefsCountry 01-15-2013 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rico (Post 9320863)
God why on Earth is this QB class, primarily Geno so harshly critiqued..... it's driving me nuts, because dumbass people are buying into the diarrhea that is spewing from Kiper and co.'s mouths.
Here is the reason why alot of the idiots aren't quarterback people this year.

Luck went 11-2.
Griffin went 10-3.

Geno went 7-6.
Barkley went 7-4.

Only damn reason.

ChiefPassesALot 01-15-2013 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TVGuy (Post 9320916)
Donovan McNabb v2.0
Exactly what Reid needs to bring this franchise back to the glory days of Len Dawson!!

ChiefSuspect 01-15-2013 01:50 PM
My main concern with Geno is the way WVU finished the season. They went on a horrible slide and then got blown out in their bowl game. The last thing we need is another choker.

Rausch 01-15-2013 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9320921)
Should I be repping Clay...
No...

the Talking Can 01-15-2013 01:51 PM
invasion of the troll mults?

Three7s 01-15-2013 01:52 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...tscout-RobRang

Look at our pick and the Eagles pick and the description for the Eagles, as well as the fact that it was updated on the 13th of this month. Do these guys even know we have Andy Reid?

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 01:57 PM
I'm taking a beating on PowerMizzou for stumping for Geno. But I'm going to keep it up.

Side note:

Apparently, my old buddy Russ Lande was on 610 this morning and claimed he graded Geno as the 6th or 7th most accurate QB in this draft after watching his tape.

Oh, Russ... :spock:

DJ's left nut 01-15-2013 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baitism (Post 9320932)
Don't shoot the messenger, but I just don't see anyway we draft Geno. Dorsey will want Flynn. Reid will want Vick. They probably grab one of those and draft which either of Geno, Wilson, Barkley that falls or that they trade up to get.
This has to be trolling. Absolutely has to be.

Next year's roster's going to be Vick, Flynn and Kolb, eh? Because afterall, the guys in charge once had something to do with those guys.

(Lets ignore the fact that the only thing they all 3 have in common is that they were either fired, traded or allowed to walk away from the team for nothing in return by Reid or Dorsey).

Dumbest !@#$ing logic, ever.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2013 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9320936)
Here is the reason why alot of the idiots aren't quarterback people this year.

Luck went 11-2.
Griffin went 10-3.

Geno went 7-6.
Barkley went 7-4.

Only damn reason.
That and the fact that Barkley just isn't that good.

ChiefsCountry 01-15-2013 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9320976)
That and the fact that Barkley just isn't that good.
Thats horseshit but whatever floats your boat.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2013 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9320989)
Thats horseshit but whatever floats your boat.
I know it's all kumbayah and what not in here when we're fighting off the Joekelytes, but quit trying to ride Geno's coattails with Matt Schau....I mean Barkley.

ChiefPassesALot 01-15-2013 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9320976)
That and the fact that Barkley just isn't that good.
See Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Tebow, Jamarcus Russell,,yadda yadda yadda...

Teams are getting smart and realizing these QB's aren't worth the high picks anymore. Well, the Raiders probably didn't learn so expect Geno Smith in Black and Silver.

htismaqe 01-15-2013 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefPassesALot (Post 9321012)
See Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Tebow, Jamarcus Russell,,yadda yadda yadda...

Teams are getting smart and realizing these QB's aren't worth the high picks anymore. Well, the Raiders probably didn't learn so expect Geno Smith in Black and Silver.
That's why Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Ryan Tannehill all went in the top 10, amirite?

ChiefPassesALot 01-15-2013 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9321020)
That's why Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Ryan Tannehill all went in the top 10, amirite?
They are more examples, yes. Thank you. DOlphins, Titans, Jaguars. BAHAHAH! Gimme a break! Real teams don't reach for Quarterbacks.

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 02:09 PM
I wouldn't say that Barkley is awful... but he is "maxed out" physically. He could be a fine game-manager sort, but I don't think he's likely to be a stud/franchise guy (unless he turns into Drew Brees).

RealSNR 01-15-2013 02:10 PM
BEAUTIFUL highlight reel of Geno found by Pestilence. Yes, haters, it's a HIGHLIGHT reel.

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htismaqe 01-15-2013 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefPassesALot (Post 9321026)
They are more examples, yes. Thank you. DOlphins, Titans, Jaguars. BAHAHAH! Gimme a break! Real teams don't reach for Quarterbacks.
Good thing there's 2 QBs in this draft that are worth the #1 pick, then.

ChiefPassesALot 01-15-2013 02:11 PM
It's a college highlight reel. Even Tim Tebow had one of those. Let's face it. Even RG3 wasn't worth what Washington gave up for him!

baitism 01-15-2013 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9320972)
This has to be trolling. Absolutely has to be.

Next year's roster's going to be Vick, Flynn and Kolb, eh? Because afterall, the guys in charge once had something to do with those guys.

(Lets ignore the fact that the only thing they all 3 have in common is that they were either fired, traded or allowed to walk away from the team for nothing in return by Reid or Dorsey).

Dumbest !@#$ing logic, ever.
One or the other smart guy. Obviously, not both. Wanting someone, but still being able to see that it probably won't happen isn't hard to differentiate. I haven't seen anyone anywhere who has Geno going first. Why would I expect Reid or Dorsey to be any different...

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefPassesALot (Post 9321012)
See Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Tebow, Jamarcus Russell,,yadda yadda yadda...

Teams are getting smart and realizing these QB's aren't worth the high picks anymore. Well, the Raiders probably didn't learn so expect Geno Smith in Black and Silver.
Or Andrew Luck, RG3, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford (who is only questionable because of the size of the contract, which is no longer an issue under this CBA), Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler

Three7s 01-15-2013 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9321027)
I wouldn't say that Barkley is awful... but he is "maxed out" physically. He could be a fine game-manager sort, but I don't think he's likely to be a stud/franchise guy (unless he turns into Drew Brees).
If he's in the right situation, he could help a team out. I just want a guy with more upside, and for me, that's Geno.

ChiefPassesALot 01-15-2013 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9321043)
Or Andrew Luck, RG3, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford (who is only questionable because of the size of the contract, which is no longer an issue under this CBA), Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler
You are naming the pro style QBs now. Aside from Newton and RG3. We a REAL QB. Not some running flash in the pan QB like Newton or RG3.

ChiefPassesALot 01-15-2013 02:14 PM
WE need a qb how can pass and pass a LOT!

ChiefPassesALot 01-15-2013 02:15 PM
WE need a qb who can pass and pass a LOT!

Sorter 01-15-2013 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefPassesALot (Post 9321055)
You are naming the pro style QBs now. Aside from Newton and RG3. We a REAL QB. Not some running flash in the pan QB like Newton or RG3.
Bradford didn't operate primarily out of the spread?

ROFL

YourChiefConcern 01-15-2013 02:16 PM
I'd like Geno, but I don't know if he's worthy the #1 pick....what about Barkley?

Three7s 01-15-2013 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefPassesALot (Post 9321055)
You are naming the pro style QBs now. Aside from Newton and RG3. We a REAL QB. Not some running flash in the pan QB like Newton or RG3.
Do you have reading comprehension issues?

Geno Smith, and remember follow along, IS NOT, repeat, IS NOT A RUNNING QB.......PERIOD

duncan_idaho 01-15-2013 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefPassesALot (Post 9321055)
You are naming the pro style QBs now. Aside from Newton and RG3. We a REAL QB. Not some running flash in the pan QB like Newton or RG3.
Mult troll?

That was a list of guys taken just in the first round who certainly were worth their draft position and an early-round pick.

There isn't a "running" QB in consideration at the top of the QB list.

htismaqe 01-15-2013 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 9321042)
I haven't seen anyone anywhere who has Geno going first. Why would I expect Reid or Dorsey to be any different...
You simply cannot be serious with this.

Three7s 01-15-2013 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 9321042)
One or the other smart guy. Obviously, not both. Wanting someone, but still being able to see that it probably won't happen isn't hard to differentiate. I haven't seen anyone anywhere who has Geno going first. Why would I expect Reid or Dorsey to be any different...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/n...ut-DaneBrugler
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...nfl-mock-draft

There's three for ya. Of course, all have Geno going to the Chiefs. Search google next time.


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