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Ultra Peanut 06-20-2006 10:39 PM

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I don't know about you folks, but I don't see any reason to distrust this guy:

|Zach| 06-20-2006 10:40 PM

Kotter still thinks it is his family that things are being imposed on.

noa 06-20-2006 10:40 PM

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You know, I'm not even gonna go here....cause it just ain't worth it. The idea, that only "liberals" are enlightened and the only ones who use their brain though....wow.

The incredible arrogance and sheer delusional aspect of that type of thinking, is dumbfounding....but, no, I'm gonna just let it go. And liberals wonder why many "average" folks despise them....ROFL

I mean, how can I rail against a woman who puts "Tits" in her username. I'm willing to bet you are a natural fuggin' blonde though, in every sense of the word.....heh. :)


Are you an Ann Coulter devotee?

Ultra Peanut 06-20-2006 10:44 PM

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Kotter still things it is his family that things are being imposed on.

GEEZE, Zach. If other people confirming their love for one another and garnering legal protection for their relationship isn't an infringement of your personal space, what is?

noa 06-20-2006 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
Preserving man-and-woman as the standard for marriage, in the face of activism aimed at over-turning what many see as a common sense tradition.....that's why conservatives are sometimes referred to as "reactionaries."

They are "reacting" to the "activism" of liberals who are driving the change.

Duh.


If you are labeling gay people who are trying to obtain equal rights "activists" then I can see where you would have stood during the Civil Rights Era. Gay people want to get married so they can have the same rights as you, and these are important rights such as health care for partners, hospital visitation rights, and other basic things. They are not trying to get married to ruin your marriage or make your children gay, yet the conservative side seems to assume that is an inevitability.
You use "activism" in a pejorative sense (we always hear conservative whining about "activist judges") and it completely disrepects the PROGRESS our country made during the "activism" of the Civil Rights Era, where progress was made thanks to the "liberals" who had the gaul to believe in equal rights for all people.
I am not saying you are prejudiced, I just think we should avoid portraying people who support gay marriage as radical activists.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-20-2006 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949
If you are labeling gay people who are trying to obtain equal rights "activism" than I can see where you would have stood during the Civil Rights Era. Gay people want to get married so they can have the same rights as you, and these are important rights such as health care for partners, hospital visitation rights, and other basic things. They are not trying to get married to ruin your marriage or make your children gay, yet the conservative side seems to assume that is an inevitability.
You use "activism" in a pejorative sense (we always hear conservative whining about "activist judges") and it completely disrepects the PROGRESS our country made during the "activism" of the Civil Rights Era, where progress was made thanks to the "liberals" who had the gaul to believe in equal rights for all people.
I am not saying you are prejudiced, I just think we should avoid portraying people who support gay marriage as radical activists.

It's easy to do so when you are the one who might have to give up some of your white/straight/male privilege like a 4 year old hordeing all the Lincoln Logs.

Ultra Peanut 06-20-2006 10:50 PM

CUE ROCKIN' THE SUBURBS... NOW

Mr. Kotter 06-20-2006 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949
If you are labeling gay people who are trying to obtain equal rights "activism" than I can see where you would have stood during the Civil Rights Era. Gay people want to get married so they can have the same rights as you, and these are important rights such as health care for partners, hospital visitation rights, and other basic things. They are not trying to get married to ruin your marriage or make your children gay, yet the conservative side seems to assume that is an inevitability.
You use "activism" in a pejorative sense (we always hear conservative whining about "activist judges") and it completely disrepects the PROGRESS our country made during the "activism" of the Civil Rights Era, where progress was made thanks to the "liberals" who had the gaul to believe in equal rights for all people.
I am not saying you are prejudiced, I just think we should avoid portraying people who support gay marriage as radical activists.

Not all activism is bad.....the Civil Rights movement was activism. Duh. FWIW, I would have supported that.

However, the difference you are refusing to see is the one many reasonable people make between skin color/race/genetics and, whether or not YOU personally agree, a distinction based on sexual preference/behavorial/lifestyle choice.

You may disagree, but many educated, conscientious, and intelligent people consider being black as being akin to gender, whereas being gay is akin to being an alcoholic or drug addict.

And therein, lies the difference in your thinking and theirs.


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(....oh well, here we go with the ad hominem/homophobic/bigot charges that inevitable follow any attempt to disagree in a reasonable fashion with those on your side. :banghead: )

|Zach| 06-20-2006 10:55 PM

I just don't see how you can go around in these circles...you must be the most obtuse thinker. Your activist judge comments went full circle when you said you didn't mind in a case...you know...a case you agreed with.

Who didn't see thatm coming?

Ultra Peanut 06-20-2006 10:55 PM

Yeah... everyone in the scientific community totally agrees with your conclusion. Your proof is indisputible.

Discussion OVER.

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I just don't see how you can go around in these circles...you must be the most obtuse thinker. Your activist judge comments went full circle when you said you didn't mind in a case...you know...a case you agreed with.

Who didn't see thatm coming?
CUE SPIN SPIN SUGAR... NOW

|Zach| 06-20-2006 10:57 PM

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(....oh well, here we go with the ad hominem/homophobic/bigot charges that inevitable follow any attempt to disagree in a reasonable fashion with those on your side. :banghead: )

Heh...

Being gay = drug addiction and alcohal abuse.

Hey hey...im just reasonable guy here.

noa 06-20-2006 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
Not all activism is bad.....the Civil Rights movement was activism. Duh. FWIW, I would have supported that.

However, the difference you are refusing to see is the one many reasonable people make between skin color/race/genetics and, whether or not YOU personally agree, a distinction based on sexual preference/behavorial/lifestyle choice.

You may disagree, but many educated, conscientious, and intelligent people consider being black as being akin to gender, whereas being gay is akin to being an alcoholic or drug addict.

And therein, lies the difference in your thinking and theirs.


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(....oh well, here we go with the ad hominem/homophobic/bigot charges that inevitable follow any attempt to disagree in a reasonable fashion with those on your side. :banghead: )


Well, we disagree on the nature of homosexuality, so we'll just have to leave it at that. Obviously, I can't convince you, and you can't convince me. I'll let the disagreement stand where it is.

Mr. Kotter 06-20-2006 10:58 PM

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Are you an Ann Coulter devotee?

Nah.

She's a shill.....like Michael Moore. Both can be amusing, but both grow old pretty quickly.

Ultra Peanut 06-20-2006 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by noa949
Well, we disagree on the nature of homosexuality, so we'll just have to leave it at that. Obviously, I can't convince you, and you can't convince me.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU HE SAID GAYS ARE LIKE ALCOHOLICS NOT BLACK PEOPLE YOU STUPID **** WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN

Rausch 06-20-2006 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins
How is this different than a "fried chicken and watermelon" conclusion??

At it's core it's not.

The majority of college profs are liberals.


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