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dirk digler 11-29-2006 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
The ratio has nothing to do with it. Why are the problems listed (groupies, hangers-on) limited to young black athletes? I'll answer it for you - it has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with money and the power that comes from it.
I agree money and power are part of it but also the fact that young Black athletes have a completely different lifestyle than young white athletes and I would imagine that young black athletes hang out with other young black athletes.

DJJasonp 11-29-2006 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler
I agree money and power are part of it but also the fact that young Black athletes have a completely different lifestyle than young white athletes and I would imagine that young black athletes hang out with other young black athletes.
That's quite a broad generalization.......I remember growing up in the 80's and seeing George Brett on the town....with a group....chasing women....getting drunk, etc. etc...

Same goes for DeBerg when he was our QB in the 90's.......

Black and white will continue to exist as "different" as long as interviewers, writers, reporters, etc. continue to put color as a title in front of their profession....

dirk digler 11-29-2006 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
We disagree then; because I consider his comments in this article to be divisive, and an indirect use of the race card. And it's just unnecessary.

I'm not saying (in case you missed it) he's from trying to be from the ghetto; I'm saying he's invoking the race card, and embracing the whole thug-gangster-hip/hop persona to a degree that contributes to racist divisiveness.And THAT'S the part that dirk and PittGorilla and others are missing...this SHOULDN'T be about race, despite Carter's question. LJ chose to make it a racial issue--with several references.

:clap:
What is divisive about what he said? He stated the truth and some of you old white farts don't like to hear it. :D

He didn't choose to make it a racial issue at all. Chris Carter asked the question about Herm being a black head coach. The first thing he said was because Herm played the game he understands and I think most would agree with that.

johnnykev 11-29-2006 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by scott free
I agree that the thread has taken a dramatic turn. Things just tend to spill out when any mention of race is made.

I think its good to have discussions like this to clear the air.

But its never going away...there are hateful people of all colors that will never change their stripes, so there will always be racism.

Where i tend to get riled up is when people act like its all one sided.
Right on, man. Same feelings I have about the subject. It's bound to get absurd at some point and I just felt it was far too one-sided to let things go.

Taco John 11-29-2006 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler
What is divisive about what he said? He stated the truth and some of you old white farts don't like to hear it. :D

He didn't choose to make it a racial issue at all. Chris Carter asked the question about Herm being a black head coach. The first thing he said was because Herm played the game he understands and I think most would agree with that.


Dick Vermiel, a Superbowl winner, when he was young, put on the pads as a back-up quarterback for San Jose State. Dick was a young athlete once. He has never been black, though.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2006 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Taco John
Dick Vermiel, a Superbowl winner, when he was young, put on the pads as a back-up quarterback for San Jose State. Dick was a young athlete once. He has never been black, though.
San Jose State doesn't compare to the NFL.

dirk digler 11-29-2006 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DJJasonp
That's quite a broad generalization.......I remember growing up in the 80's and seeing George Brett on the town....with a group....chasing women....getting drunk, etc. etc...

Same goes for DeBerg when he was our QB in the 90's.......

Black and white will continue to exist as "different" as long as interviewers, writers, reporters, etc. continue to put color as a title in front of their profession....
No question DJ.

But when was the last time a young white NFL player had a posse? :hmmm:

dirk digler 11-29-2006 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Taco John
Dick Vermiel, a Superbowl winner, when he was young, put on the pads as a back-up quarterback for San Jose State. Dick was a young athlete once. He has never been black, though.
LMAO I think he is alluding to NFL experience but nice try.

Baby Lee 11-29-2006 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumbass Carter
Do you think Herm Edwards, being an African-American and you being raised, of course, by an African-American, that you see a lot of similarities in Herm that you saw in your dad that made you open up to him?
This is just plain poor interviewing.
LJ was raised by his parents. Who says "I was raised by an xxx-american," unless he was adopted by someone of a different race or culture than his own? And, correct me if I'm wrong, but LJ was raised by parentS, plural.
I'll grant that it's probably a limitation of Carter's intellect, rather than any actual intent, but Carter's question basically said "OK, LJ, I'm gonna inrterview you as a demographic, not as a person."

StcChief 11-29-2006 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Taco John
Dick Vermiel, a Superbowl winner, when he was young, put on the pads as a back-up quarterback for San Jose State. Dick was a young athlete once. He has never been black, though.
and we all know the black athletes have had the hardest time of any one. /sarcasm

stevieray 11-29-2006 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
"OK, LJ, I'm gonna inrterview you as a demographic, not as a person."
:clap:

Hootie 11-29-2006 03:58 PM
luckily for us, we're in a small market, so this won't be a big deal to anyone other than the fans of the Chiefs...and even so, I don't really care. DV is out, Herm is in, whooopdeedooo...

Hootie 11-29-2006 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Taco John
Dick Vermiel, a Superbowl winner, when he was young, put on the pads as a back-up quarterback for San Jose State. Dick was a young athlete once. He has never been black, though.
how did your defense handle our young, black athlete?!

DAMN DUDE, KC IS WAY BETTER THAN DENVER!

Taco John 11-29-2006 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
San Jose State doesn't compare to the NFL.


Who cares? Dick Vermiel was still an athelete. Dick Vermiel has forgotten about more problems than LJ has ever had. LJ is the biggest poseur in all of sports. I had a harder upbringing than this fool did. His father was a former high school vice-principal. He's currently coaching the D-line at Penn State. In the 80's his father was a 6 time coach of the year in Maryland, winning 3 state champonships.

What a poseur.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2006 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Taco John
Who cares? Dick Vermiel was still an athelete. Dick Vermiel has forgotten about more problems than LJ has ever had. LJ is the biggest poseur in all of sports. I had a harder upbringing than this fool did. His father was is a former high school vice-principal. He's currently coaching the D-line at Penn State. In the 80's his father was a 6 time coach of the year in Maryland, winning 3 state champonships.

What a poseur.
You've misinterpreted the situation. LJ isn't trying to project some lie that he had a hard upbringing. He's just saying he related to Herm better because they have a common bond in that they were both young, black, professional athletes.


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