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KCJohnny 01-08-2007 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
That's encouraging. I guess we'll be looking at some sort of hybrid perhaps.
We never ran a pure Left Coast offense here. It was always a hybrid based on our consistent strengths being OL, FB, and TE.

patteeu 01-08-2007 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
That's encouraging. I guess we'll be looking at some sort of hybrid perhaps.
Everything I've always heard about Solari (besides the stuff I hear from disgruntled fans) is that he's a pretty sharp guy and the players like him so I'm optimistic that he can be effective.

WilliamTheIrish 01-08-2007 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
You are nuts if you think they aren't going to put forth a serious effort to upgrade the OL this offseason.


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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish
When you say upgrade, I want you to dream big and tell me who the Chiefs would go after.

let's get it out here and then we'll see how 'nuts' I am when the season rolls around.

I'm waiting.

patteeu 01-08-2007 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Laz
it's possible ... but i have still yet to seen any indication from Herman that the change that's going to be made is let Solari do more of what he wants ... more importantly what he knows.


so next year our offensive coordinator is gonna be basically creating a new offensive system and teaching a new offensive system at the same time.

Herm admitted that Solari was only JUST learning the passing game THIS year.

So tell me how good is the passing part of the offense gonna be?

when Solari is such a n00b about it AND is gonna be learning and teaching a new passing game after only 1 year of passing OC experience.


you don't do this ... you don't take this kind of risk


if you want a new offensive system then you go out and hire an offensive coordinator who is an expert in that offensive system.
Hot coordinators leave their teams to become head coaches not to be coordinators elsewhere. Obviously, Al Saunders was an exception to this rule of thumb, but after being passed over for head coach here for the second time, it's not really surprising that he left.

Every single one of the hot coordinators in the league was at one time a first year coordinator without any experience in coordination. Hell, Al Saunders wasn't a coordinator before getting the job here was he? I know he was a head coach for a year and he had lots of coaching experience, but was he ever actually calling plays before he came here? Maybe as head coach, but otherwise I don't think he did.

Mr. Laz 01-08-2007 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by patteeu
Hot coordinators leave their teams to become head coaches not to be coordinators elsewhere. Obviously, Al Saunders was an exception to this rule of thumb, but after being passed over for head coach here for the second time, it's not really surprising that he left.

Every single one of the hot coordinators in the league was at one time a first year coordinator without any experience in coordination. Hell, Al Saunders wasn't a coordinator before getting the job here was he? I know he was a head coach for a year and he had lots of coaching experience, but was he ever actually calling plays before he came here? Maybe as head coach, but otherwise I don't think he did.
i understand ... a new offensive coordinator has to start somewhere.


but to have solari ... deal with an aging offense, learn a new system , teach that new system and deal with a system that doesn't fit the players is just setting him up to fall flat on his face.

it's too much

solari should of learned the passing game BEFORE becoming OC ... and even then he should run with the same system for awhile before he's ready to build an offense himself.

MahiMike 01-08-2007 11:51 AM
yawn. He sure didn't seem to mind it during the game. Looked like he threw the game for his buddy. Hopefully that's the case and he's not really incompetent. A guy can only hope...

patteeu 01-08-2007 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Laz
i understand ... a new offensive coordinator has to start somewhere.


but to have solari ... deal with an aging offense, learn a new system , teach that new system and deal with a system that doesn't fit the players is just setting him up to fall flat on his face.

it's too much

solari should of learned the passing game BEFORE becoming OC ... and even then he should run with the same system for awhile before he's ready to build an offense himself.
I personally think the whole "learning the passing game" is overblown. I do think we have to expect some growing pains for a guy calling plays for the first year, but I suspect that learning the passing plays wasn't the problem.

Let's see how things go after he gets a full offseason to learn from this year and have some input into whatever the scheme turns out to be next year.

dirk digler 01-08-2007 11:57 AM
The problem I have is I believe Solari is Herm's lackey and Herm's know as much about offense as DV does about defense.

FAX 01-08-2007 11:58 AM
Learning the passing game ain't rocket surgery.

There are middle school coaches that could call better game plans than we did against the Mannings.

That offensive display was beyond bad. Well beyond.

FAX

Mr. Laz 01-08-2007 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FAX
Learning the passing game ain't rocket surgery.
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Originally Posted by patteeu
I personally think the whole "learning the passing game" is overblown.
then why was important enough for Herm to bring up?

why do people all throughout the league struggle with it?

why are owners throughout the league paying OC's millions to do what a monkey should be able to do?


we are flirting with disaster to basically give our offensive coordinator "on the job" training .... especially since he's under a offensively challenged Head coach.


i'm just sayin' :shrug:


bad mojo in this move

FringeNC 01-08-2007 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
After a playoff game like that, I think it's possible Carl sticks his nose into the situation. We've seen it before...
If that were the case, I'm not sure Carl would have had Gretz take Herm's side and throw the players under the bus. The Gretz article suggests to me that Herm is in complete control, and that there is going to be a purge of anyone supportive of the old guard.

FAX 01-08-2007 12:14 PM
My take, Mr. Laz, is that the "learning the passing game" comment is more Hermjawflappage. He has to say something, you know. I mean, to explain why we sucked so much.

An argument can be made that many coaches and assistants and coordinators are overpaid, but that's not the context, as I see it.

The bottom line is that, your OC had better know how to design game plans that include an effective passing strategy. That's pretty basic stuff. Especially if the enemy is expecting the run. If not, you really shouldn't be paying him a dime.

FAX

patteeu 01-08-2007 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
then why was important enough for Herm to bring up?

why do people all throughout the league struggle with it?

why are owners throughout the league paying OC's millions to do what a monkey should be able to do?


we are flirting with disaster to basically give our offensive coordinator "on the job" training .... especially since he's under a offensively challenged Head coach.


i'm just sayin' :shrug:


bad mojo in this move
I'm not saying that learning the passing game is easy enough for an internet QB like you or me to figure out, I'm saying that Mike Solari has been an offensive coach in this league for well over a decade and I don't think it's a stretch for him to figure it out. As a line coach, he's had to coach the line on passing plays as well as running plays. It's not like he was only aware of running plays. How could a WR coach like Al Saunders ever grasp the running game in his first year as a coordinator?

KCJohnny 01-08-2007 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler
The problem I have is I believe Solari is Herm's lackey and Herm's know as much about offense as DV does about defense.
Stop it! You're scaring the children!!!!!

:mad:

boogblaster 01-08-2007 12:54 PM
Simple fix...Bring in more WRs..Keep Gonzo..Keep Wilson..Throw more to LJ, if that means early to camp for him..OTs a must..Look for some young speed with good hands to back-up LJ..QBs we need another quality back-up..If Huard stays which I doubt he'll work fine..The ability to change plays has to happen also..DTs need upgraded some..And last GAME-DAY coaching has to change..You have to take what the D.. gives you, till you make them change.. BOOG OUTT ...


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