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Mr. Plow 03-27-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
These discussions are always such fun sometimes...

As fun as beating my head against a wall. Or spending time with my kids.

Mile High Mania 03-27-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
I think that's a total cop-out. Your parents were able to do that back then because they chose to make the sacrifices. You could today if you wanted to.

There's some truth to what you're saying, but without knowing his current situation... it's really not your place to suggest that.

vailpass 03-27-2007 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow
Christ. I give up. I'll just buy my kids some toys so that they can enjoy the tiny 17 hours a day that I give to them. At least I can enjoy some peace and quiet.

No need to feel guilty, I'm sure you feel like you're doing the best that you can.

vailpass 03-27-2007 04:56 PM

Just ****in' with ya' :evil:

NewChief 03-27-2007 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
These discussions are always such fun sometimes...


Simplex3 is a Sanctimommy.

Believe me, parenting threads can be way more vicious and protracted than the best of DC. My wife used to hang out on some parenting blogs and discussion boards. They get sick. We just think people are invested and tied up in politics or religion. Start arguing about the best way to raise kids or insulting people who do it differently. It's a great way to start a vicious flame war.

bogie 03-27-2007 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
I think that's a total cop-out. Your parents were able to do that back then because they chose to make the sacrifices. You could today if you wanted to.

My Dad chose this because he could. If he couldn't pay the mortgage, he would have chosen something different. Trust me, we've had numerous talks about this. My Dad did what was necessary to pay the bills and raise his family. To judge people on anything other than this, is dumbassery.

bogie 03-27-2007 05:54 PM

For the record, my wife has been a stay at home Mom for 9 years. My daughter is 9. We believe this is the best for my daughter, however, I do not condemn those people that don't have the same opportunities as us. To suggest that everyone has the same opportunities as my wife and I is, well, dumbassery.

BucEyedPea 03-27-2007 07:08 PM

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Personally, I don't understand why this situation has to be so black and white - can't you have a career AND have normal, well-behaved kids that you see on a fairly regular basis? Some of you act like putting kids in daycare for any amount of time is the first step in raising a degenerate sociopath.
Because you really can't have both, and do both well, imo. At least NOT at the same time. Mothering is close to a full time job. There are way too many latch-key kids today.

I got a real reality check on this once I had mine and I was a feminist in college thinkin' I was gonna have this great career and kids too. Something has to take a back seat at least for a time. Kids don't and can't wait...they keep growing.

The reality is that high-powered careers come with loads of responsibility, extra hours and stress. There's a world of diffference when such ideas are written on paper than how it goes down in real life. Maria Shriver even wrote a small book on it.

Talk to any mother who has a demanding career, and you'll find some of the same things come up in our conversations....such as making more mistakes on the job etc.

Frankly, I found it exhausting.


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This is why my mother hates feminists with a passion. She has always felt like they denigrate her for staying at home and taking care of the kids.

Well, I just don't believe in what they say anymore. Ya' know what, some teachers told me at my kid's school that they NEVER see the parents. The nanny picks them up and goes to parent meetings too. These are the rich ones that drive in their Mercedes too. Lol!

Yes the denigration. I remember reading a woman's mag about this, even when filling out applications for a bank loan when one writes mother and/or housewife. The denigrating looks. So one woman decided to change the title to "domestic engineer." Suddenly the interest and validation: "Oh really! What is that all about? Sounds interesting." LMAO.

It's actually the most important work any person will do. It's our future.

Mile High Mania 03-27-2007 07:19 PM

The really rich that do the day care thing to the extreme have a whole other bag of issues headed their way.

bogie 03-27-2007 07:34 PM

I'm not disagreeing that stay at home parenting is best. However, not everyone has the capacity to do what's best. Some folks do what they have to do to survive. I have a problem with people that generalize. To me they are generally talking out of their ass.

Simplex3 03-27-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bogie
I have a problem with people that generalize. To me they are generally talking out of their ass.

LMAO

KCinNY 03-27-2007 08:37 PM

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I wouldn't let my 14 month old little girl anywhere near a daycare center.

Even at the nice, expensive daycare centers, eight kids(aged 6 weeks to 12 months) are being watched by 2 "teachers" who earn about $7.00 an hour.

Yeah, they're gonna do as good of a job of nurturing, feeding, changing and raising her as my wife or myself.

BucEyedPea 03-27-2007 08:59 PM

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Yeah, they're gonna do as good of a job of nurturing...

...by their own parents too. No one's gonna love them the same, and deep down they pick up on this.

Mr. Plow 03-28-2007 07:16 AM

Well, my wife and I had a long conversation about this last night. We decided that since we can only spend 17 hours a day with them, that it would be in the best interest of our children to give them to someone who can spend that extra 7 hours a day with them.

We felt that 35 hours a week away from our children was just doing them an injustice in their lives. Sure, they're well behaved now, but what happens when they are in the 6th grade? All hell is gonna break loose, that's what.

We'll try for more children when she can devote those 7 hours to them.

Mile High Mania 03-28-2007 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow
Well, my wife and I had a long conversation about this last night. We decided that since we can only spend 17 hours a day with them, that it would be in the best interest of our children to give them to someone who can spend that extra 7 hours a day with them.

We felt that 35 hours a week away from our children was just doing them an injustice in their lives. Sure, they're well behaved now, but what happens when they are in the 6th grade? All hell is gonna break loose, that's what.

We'll try for more children when she can devote those 7 hours to them.

ROFL


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