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Hammock Parties 09-04-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6976369)
You are making yourself sound dumber by the post. Chris Wilson? Was Chris Wilson also a return guy and a RB as well as a receiver?

Did Chris Wilson avg 6.9 yards per carry on 12 carries in any preseason?

I'll say it again - McCluster's work as a running back and returner will be a bonus.

But they won't justify his draft position if he winds up with 300 receiving yards.

Titty Meat 09-04-2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6976355)
Why should you? You don't have half a leg to stand on.

McCluster is a lot closer to Kris Wilson 2.0 than Percy Harvin right now in terms of actual offensive production.

Wow this might be the dumbest thing I've seen you post and thats saying alot. You compared Dantrelle Savage to Priest Holmes.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2010 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6976379)
Wow this might be the dumbest thing I've seen you post and thats saying alot.

It's the truth.

McCluster looks like a gimmick player on offense right. Lets get him a carry here and there and watch him pick up a first down! Let's throw him a screen pass and let him gain 12 yards!

How about something like this?

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Mr. Flopnuts 09-04-2010 10:22 AM

Not happening with Matt Cassel.

Marcellus 09-04-2010 10:24 AM

[QUOTE=GoChiefs;6976384]It's the truth.

McCluster looks like a gimmick player on offense right. Lets get him a carry here and there and watch him pick up a first down! Let's throw him a screen pass and let him gain 12 yards!

How about something like this?

Only Chiefs fans can label a guy a bust because he hasn't scored a 50 yard TD in preseason.

You are and idiot.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6976391)
Only Chiefs fans can label a guy a bust because he hasn't scored a 50 yard TD in preseason.

You are and idiot.

Where did I label him a bust?

The only commentary is that he had a disappointing preseason.

Kenny Britt had 5 catches for 89 yards and a TD in his first preseason game.

If McCluster had done that, wow...

-King- 09-04-2010 10:30 AM

So you post pictures proving that our players don't go deep on plays because cassel sucks....and now you're blaming mccluster for not making plays down the field? You can't have it both ways.
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Hammock Parties 09-04-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6976402)
now you're blaming mccluster for not making plays down the field?

Where did I say that?

chiefzilla1501 09-04-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6976384)
It's the truth.

McCluster looks like a gimmick player on offense right. Lets get him a carry here and there and watch him pick up a first down! Let's throw him a screen pass and let him gain 12 yards!

How about something like this?

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The problem is when people get so hung up on one-size-fits-all scouting of players, and not on how the player fits in a coach's offense.

Anyone who knows Charlie Weis knows that the role McCluster would play is anything but a gimmick. Just like I railed on people for criticizing the Chiefs because Jimmy Graham was supposed to somehow be better for them because he puts up a sexier stat line. In most years, Kevin Faulk averaged about 500-600 all purpose yards, but most Pats fans will tell you he was a critical piece to their offense. Faulk, like McCluster, isn't a perfect fit for a lot of offenses, but they're both great fits for a Weis-style offense.

tonyetony 09-04-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6976398)
Where did I label him a bust?

The only commentary is that he had a disappointing preseason.

Kenny Britt had 5 catches for 89 yards and a TD in his first preseason game.

If McCluster had done that, wow...

Look regardless of fact that many including yourself didn't like where we took McCluster in the draft it is evident that opposing ST coaches and D coordinators will have to account for him every time he steps on the field and that my friend will help improve every other skill position on the field.

Like it or not that's progress and we're better at the start of this season than we were a year ago.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6976407)
In most years, Kevin Faulk averaged about 500-600 all purpose yards, but most Pats fans will tell you he was a critical piece to their offense. Faulk, like McCluster, isn't a perfect fit for a lot of offenses, but they're both great fits for a Weis-style offense.

So when McCluster was picked half this board was screaming about Wes Welker.

Now he's Kevin Faulk?

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-con...pectations.jpg

chiefzilla1501 09-04-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6976439)
So when McCluster was picked half this board was screaming about Wes Welker.

Now he's Kevin Faulk?

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-con...pectations.jpg

I'm talking about the idea that you keep putting receivers in a box. That the only way they can produce is to solely run regular routes and gain 700+ yards, and that's our measure of success.

Charlie Weis doesn't work that way. When he was in New England, Troy Brown put up 1,000+ yards once. That's it. Weis is a guy who likes to spread the field, he LOVES the screen game, and he loves guys with versatility a lot more than he likes guys without. That's why two players he really loved were Daniel Graham and Kevin Faulk, two guys who were anything but spectacular on the stat sheet. It's because Weis likes to run multiple types of plays from the same exact formation and a guy like Graham, for example, can be extremely productive as a blocker in the run game or as a receiver in the passing game.

McCluster isn't Kevin Faulk. But when you're talking Charlie Weis, you get why he's important. And by the way, even if he was Kevin Faulk, you're a moron if you think that's a low expectation to set and most Pats fans would tell you the same.

tonyetony 09-04-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6976439)
So when McCluster was picked half this board was screaming about Wes Welker.

Now he's Kevin Faulk?

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-con...pectations.jpg

Now you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. If you can't see the potential match up problems McCluster presents the opposing D's your just being ignorant. What's your next argument? That he's too slow? The only question marks have been his size and being able to take a hit in the NFL and from what I've seen in the preseason he's going to be just fine.

Hammock Parties 09-04-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 6976472)
If you can't see the potential match up problems McCluster presents the opposing D's your just being ignorant.

His longest play was 17 yards this preseason.

17 yards.

Of course that's as far as our quarterback can throw it.

tonyetony 09-04-2010 11:12 AM

I guess you missed hiss kick returns and the plays that got called back for stupid penalties.

Yeah I suppose you're right Clay because a rookies longest play in preseason is only 17 yards we know he won't have anything longer than that in the regular season!!!!!!

Would you care to place a wager on that?


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