First off, you asked why so many people here were "against" Orapko. The answer, once again, is that far too many Texas players chosen in the first round (and even second) were busts.

A quick perusal of that list confirms it.

Orapko has had ONE good year. Let's see what he does after that.

In the meantime, Griffen, Huff, Roy Williams, Vince Young, Tubbs, Benson, Jammer, Leonard Davis, etc. haven't lived up to billing. Many are on their second teams.

Only John Elway.

Peyton Manning had "flags"?

I was referring to yellow flags.

couldnt win the big game.

that showed to be true, his only superbowl win came at the hands of his running game, not his golden arm

So basically, "we didn't like him because he was from Texas"

That is why I defensed that with Kyle Boller/Rodgers back then.

All of those players were from 5+ years ago except for Young and Griffin and Young is anything but a bust. All that guy does is win football games for a team that cant win without him. Griffin has been part of 18 turnovers in 3 years and had 7 interceptions in 2008. The defense struggled to get to the passer after fat albert went to washington and the defense struggled and that means Griffin struggled.

I'm not sure what changes were made to Texas around that time frame, but they have put some quality players in this league recently and Orakpo is just one of them. The only thing that scared me is that he may be a guy that is on roids.

I can see why some here weren't 100% about him being our pick, but the level of hatred for the kid was crazy.

It was a draft that we were cursed in because of it being so weak at the top. At least Orakpo would have been a difference maker.

that cracks me up...

"his only Super Bowl came at the hands of his running game!"

hahahaha

what an ignorant statement

The Bears had the best defense (other than the 2000 Ravens) of the decade that year...

and Peyton Manning guided his offense to a T.O.P. of like 39 minutes (if I remember correctly) and kept them in the game after a rocky start...

He also, that same season, beat the almighty Tom Brady and the Pats in a game they were trailing 21-3 (the AFC Championship Game)...

It's a team sport...

Matt Cassel won 11 games with the Patriots...

It's not ALWAYS the QB...even though I don't expect you dipshits to understand that...

Peyton Manning is far and away the best QB I've ever seen play...no doubt about it. Better than Tom Brady, and it isn't close.

Texas players have had the reputation amongst football people as being extremely athletic but poorly coached in the fundamentals.

This cannot be argued.

The overwhelming majority of Texas players taken in the first two rounds this past decade have been extremely disappointing. Many have been traded and some of those who haven't, have missed a significant amount of playing time either due to injury or being out of football, altogether.

Texas isn't USC. 90% of their players have not been even close to NFL ready. They aren't a football factory like Miami in the 80's and 90's.

Texas attracts star athletes from across their state and into Oklahoma but under Mack Brown, they've not been prepared for the NFL.

And Peyton? LMAO

Have you EVER seen Phil Fulmer coach? The guy across the street that runs VH-1 Reality TV is a better coach.

LMAO

25 of 38 passes for 247 yards and a touchdown, with one interception for a passer rating of 81.8,

they had 191 rushing yards in that game

you're welcome.

BTW I thought you put me on ignore...put me back on it

Insulting Peyton Manning's performance in a rain soaked Super Bowl is ridiculous.

He'll go down as a Top Ten, if not Top Five QB of all time.

you know what else cant be argued?

That previous to Aaron Rodgers, very similar type of things, relatively, had been said about Cal quarterbacks.

Orakpo was an elite prospect. Anyone could just watch him and see that.

Just like the guys that voted him to the probowl as a rookie.

You asked why people had an aversion to Texas players.

I gave you the answer.

How many Cal QB's since Rodgers have had success in the NFL?

And Orapko's one year success means nothing for Texas players.

I never said otherwise.


I like Peyton.

I just said that his "flag" coming into the draft was that he couldn't win the big games at Tennessee and in the pros he has had serious problems in his biggest games. His only superbowl win came more due to his team having 191 yards rushing than him taking the game over as a passer.

That was made up by the media.

There isn't a coach in the NFL, past or present that wouldn't do ****ing cartwheels to have Peyton Manning as their QB.

There is no one that plays or coaches in the league that doesn't have the utmost respect for him as a player and most defensive coordinators and players, fear him.

No, I asked why it seemed before the draft that Orakpo had Aids and why everyone except for a couple of us absolutely hated the idea of even talking about him being our pick.

Every player at the top of that draft had serious flags.

Every one.

I somewhat agree with part of the point you are trying to make regarding Texas players though.

Until the biggest games, I agree.

Dude chokes in about every one of those.

Just ask Ty Law or Tom Brady...or a number of other players for that matter.