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Hammock Parties 11-04-2010 07:58 PM

Inside the NFL aired a clip of Haley bitching about Cassel throwing that bomb to Bowe late.

I would guess he has less than 100 percent support on that team.

stevieray 11-04-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7146067)
Good points, but I'm just not sold on Haley and Weis being 100% behind the guy when the doors are closed during meetings.

I thought the mic'd up vid, including getting on his ass segments, show otherwise. Haley is a great motivator. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, till I see otherwise...remember, he re/evaluates every four games...if he feels the team isn't moving forward as a whole, he'll make the necessary adjustments.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2010 08:02 PM

Inside the NFL aired a clip of Haley bitching about Cassel throwing that bomb to Bowe late.

I would guess he has less than 100 percent support on that team.

thebrad84 11-04-2010 08:17 PM

Any one who has watched all 7 games this year and still thinks Cassel is any where close to being a good quarterback is completely ignorant of what a good quarterback is. He is not smart, he is not quick, he is not accurate, he is not elusive, he does not have good pocket presence, and he is not someone who knows how to audible to a play when the team shows their setup. He is, in fact, NOT GOOD AT ANYTHING that a GOOD quarterback should be. Thank you.

SenselessChiefsFan 11-04-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7146078)
Inside the NFL aired a clip of Haley bitching about Cassel throwing that bomb to Bowe late.

I would guess he has less than 100 percent support on that team.

That's a stupid point, but typical of a fan.

On every missed play, Haley would gripe about anyone who made a mistake in execution. Doesn't mean that they don't have his support.

Marcellus 11-04-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 7146096)
That's a stupid point, but typical of a fan.

On every missed play, Haley would gripe about anyone who made a mistake in execution. Doesn't mean that they don't have his support.

Haley was really hating on Cassel when after that last drive he made sure, went out of his way in fact, to get Cassel's attention to come back over to him so he could give Cassel some props.

Marcellus 11-04-2010 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thebrad84 (Post 7146095)
Any one who has watched all 7 games this year and still thinks Cassel is any where close to being a good quarterback is completely ignorant of what a good quarterback is. He is not smart, he is not quick, he is not accurate, he is not elusive, he does not have good pocket presence, and he is not someone who knows how to audible to a play when the team shows their setup. He is, in fact, NOT GOOD AT ANYTHING that a GOOD quarterback should be. Thank you.

He is a game manager right now for sure.

What he isn't doing is taking sacks and turning the ball over.

Last year he was as prone to taking a sack and fumbling as he was throwing an INT.

He has made huge strides in that area.

thebrad84 11-04-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7146103)
He is a game manager right now for sure.

What he isn't doing is taking sacks and turning the ball over.

Last year he was as prone to taking a sack and fumbling as he was throwing an INT.

He has made huge strides in that area.

Very much agree, however that doesn't make him a good quarterback or any where near good. All that says is Weis really studied the offense during the off season and has done a great job of game planning around Cassel holding on to the ball and throwing inaccurate on most past attempts. Your attributing his "better play" to the wrong person, IMO.

Marcellus 11-04-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thebrad84 (Post 7146108)
Very much agree, however that doesn't make him a good quarterback or any where near good. All that says is Weis really studied the offense during the off season and has done a great job of game planning around Cassel holding on to the ball and throwing inaccurate on most past attempts. Your attributing his "better play" to the wrong person, IMO.

Better coaching, better play, whatever. Last year he was killing us, this year he is holding us back.

Hopefully, pray to sweet baby Jesus, he can step it up a couple notches down the stretch because, well, he is what we got.

I won't argue he isn't very good, I do think he WANTS to be good.

I wanted to be an astronaut when I was a kid.

I do believe the coaches know the limitations and are trying to get the most out of the hand they have right now and how far that gets us, I don't know.

Mr. Flopnuts 11-04-2010 08:36 PM

Anyone have any of the clips where Haley was talking about negative plays, and talking shit on the quarterback?

Hammock Parties 11-04-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 7146120)
Anyone have any of the clips where Haley was talking about negative plays, and talking shit on the quarterback?

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Mr. Flopnuts 11-04-2010 08:49 PM

Perfect. Thanks brother.

-King- 11-04-2010 08:56 PM

Wow, at no point did he "talk shit" on Cassel.

Hammock Parties 11-04-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7146162)
Wow, at no point did he "talk shit" on Cassel.

He pretty much called him out for blowing a chance at a TD.

And he was yelling it.

Marcellus 11-04-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7146165)
He pretty much called him out for blowing a chance at a TD.

And he was yelling it.

Come on man, there is plenty of unshown video of Haley getting pissed about every big play that wasn't made by either side of the ball.

He bitches about any play that isn't made offense or defense, running or passing and you know it.


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