Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8700640)

:facepalm: JFC......

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8701084)

This is about as good of an account as I've seen, and thanks for the thought that went into it. Like I said, he's not a hero. But again, I stand by my example. If you're a private witnessing a captain raping a girl, it's a little more complicated to just beat the shit out of a ranking officer. I think they'd have to think about reporting it, knowing the negative backlash that would soon follow for a guy who dared to do the right thing. Like I said, in the military, whistle blowing is a very, very, very big problem. And it's not because they're cowards. It's not because they're terrible people. It's because a system with such a power imbalance makes it very difficult for a person with no power to do much of anything without repercussion. Couple that with McQueary having a split second to make a decision in that locker room, likely in shock and stunned by what he saw. He made a bad decision in a panic.

He should have done more. But research shows that over 90% of whistleblowers, I believe, do not come forward. He told a legendary coach and powerful guy that his best friend and his ranking "officer" was a pedophile. He told the VP, the AD, the campus police. He even went on the stand and took down the University, even if that ultimately doomed his career at Penn State. It wasn't nearly enough. It could have and should have been more. I just think people are talking unrealistically when they try to dream up scenarios of how they would have acted in the same situation. Again, there is droves of psychological evidence to suggest that most people in this spur-of-the-moment situation would likely NOT make a particularly good decision.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8701084)

But research shows that over 90% of whistleblowers, I believe, do not come forward.

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8701452)

My understanding is that 60% of the time, they come forward every time.

All these examples you're providing, a private seeing a general rape a girl and such things, are all valid in their own context. They just don't apply to Mike McQueary.

McQueary does not come off like a guy who's troubled by his inaction over the last decade. Nothing he has said suggests that he wanted to come forward and do more, but was too intimidated by the system -- which is how you continue to portray him.

I think he thinks he did enough. Like various others connected to this situation, his feelings seemed to be "Well, I did my part. I told them what I know. It's out of my hands now." He thinks he should still be coaching at Penn State. Given that, it's not a leap to suggest that he thinks JoePa should have been allowed to stay too.

You're projecting a defense that doesn't apply to him.

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8701040)

This idea of McQueary being scared to bring down a superior seems moot in light of his testimony.

He fully admits that he should have done more the night he saw Sandusky in the shower. He says he saw them in the shower through the reflection in a mirror, slammed his locker shut so they would hear it, and then looked in the shower and saw they had stopped. Then he left. But he feels he put a stop to it.

He told Paterno. Then he told the Penn State higher-ups, one of whom was in charge of the campus police, which McQueary says he took as having reported what he saw to the authorities.

Then... nothing. Everyone can argue about what they would have done had they walked in on something like the shower situation, but like Paterno, where McQueary really fails is after the fact. Personally, if I reported that I saw someone ****ing a kid, and that guy was still out on the street, I think that after a week... or a month... or six months... or a year... I might have followed-up on it with the people I told. Or I might have told someone else.

McQueary didn't do anything for 10 years, except apparently walk out of the room anytime Sandusky came in. The defense lawyer pressed him on why he didn't do anything more. McQueary didn't talk about being afraid. He rejected the notion that he was worried about the university firing him.

What he did say is that he loved Penn State. Even though Sandusky was still around the program, McQueary loved his job too much to leave in protest. So if you wanted to attach a specific reason to his failure to follow up, it was probably more out of his reverence for the great JoePa and the mighty Nittany Lions, not out of fear of "breaking codes" or any of that. He had his dream job and didn't want to rock the boat too much.

Then when he was asked about his departure from Penn State and his whistleblower lawsuit, he said "I didn't do anything wrong to lose that job".

Perhaps he intended his answer to apply simply to his job duties, and wasn't commenting on the larger Sandusky issue. But if you're in a position with some degree of authority at a university, you witness a sexual assault right there on school property, and you don't do everything you can to get to get it sorted out, then you've failed your station in my view. No parent is going to say "Sure, I trust Mike McQueary to do everything possible to protect my son or daughter" after this, so how would he justify his continued employment at a school of all places? Because he can read defenses?

Point being, he didn't come off like a guy who wanted to do more, but was just too scared to act.

It's a shame in some respects because it is true that McQueary did more than everyone else around Penn State. If the people in charge had done something after he told them, McQueary would be talked about like one of the heroes in this story. On the other hand, if he'd done absolutely nothing, little would have changed and McQueary wouldn't be attached to the story at all. He'd still be at Penn State with his reputation fully intact.

But it's a good lesson to learn. There are no A's for effort, no shiny gold star for being the one who tries the hardest. McQueary did something, but he didn't do enough. He surely knew he didn't do enough. Yet that knowledge didn't spur him into any further action. And who knows how many kids Sandusky went onto rape after that?

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8701518)

There could be some truth to that. But you're also assuming he wasn't contrite or that he wasn't intimidated by the system. We have to remember that I doubt he has any interest in doing any more damage to Penn State than is already being done. Or in being the guy that brings them the death penalty. You can fault him for that if you want (not turning on your school).

But in the end, he did provide the testimony that sunk Sandusky and will sink Penn State. Twice. And he did provide detailed information to the right authorities who failed to act. He didn't do enough, but he did something, which is a lot more than you can say for everybody involved.

Again, it's not just McQueary. There are lot of people who seem to have kept their mouth shut and it will be interesting to see how far that paper trail goes. College football programs are awfully good at secrets. And there's probably a good reason for that -- because nobody wants to be the one who gets caught spilling the beans.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8701518)

But you're also assuming he wasn't contrite or that he wasn't intimidated by the system.

Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 8701614)

Here is the deal - McQueary did more than anyone else, yes. But he did not do what he should have. That does not make him a hero as some would paint him to be. He was a member of a cult who had good instincts but, did not act upon them the way he should have.

We can all say at one point or another in our lives that we should have done more. However this was not a situation where doing less was an option. He made it one, and therefore should not be heralded as a hero. PERIOD.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8700177)

Jerry Sandusky Serenaded by Prison Inmates After Guilty Verdict
by DeWon Rucker | Posted on Sunday, June 24th, 2012

By now the news that Jerry Sandusky was found guilty on 45 of 48 counts is well known throughout the country. Most people feel that justice was served and apparently the jurors feel the same. What we did not know is how his first night in jail went, until now that is. According to Andrew Strickler of The Daily, Sandusky might not be a big fan of Pink Floyd.

“As soon as the lights went out at night, Sandusky’s fellow inmates…serenaded him with a chorus from Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”:

“Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!”

It is well documented how inmates feel about the type of crimes that Mr. Sandusky was convicted of, and it appears that they were making their opinions known. With Sandusky facing a possible 442 years in prison, he might become very familiar with the entire Pink Floyd catalog before it is all said and done.

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 8701703)

Betting tonight he got serenaded with 'We will, we will, rape you'.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8701693)

Nope, never said he was a hero. But he's not the villain everyone claims he is.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 8701900)

YES HE ****ING MOST CERTAINLY IS.

ANYONE THAT KNEW THIS GUY WAS ****ING LITTLE KIDS AND LET HIM CONTINUE TO DO IT IS A VILLAN.

i dont give a **** who he told about it obviously it didnt go anywhere and he still knew he SAW this ****er screwing a little kid.

should have done more, he is partly responsible for every kid that got molested by this guy from that point on.

HE LET IT CONTINUE.

oh and **** you, douchebag.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8702132)

When you tell three of your bosses and they not only sit on it but actively cover it up its not exactly easy. While his bosses danced around the story, made up stories to cover their ass, he directly stated the truth even if it damaged the university. Neither of those things are easy.

He didn't do enough. But apart from going direct to the cops he did everything a reasonable person should be expected to do. You can criticize him for not going above and beyond. But the fact is that the inaction is blamed on Paterno, spanier and curley. You are asking a subordinate to go over the heads of bosses three levels higher than him.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8702144)

Bullcrap. I would tell them to do something before I did. You want to fire me? Just try it.