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underEJ 12-08-2014 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11178488)
Writer tweeted consternation with episode.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6287568.html

I really don't understand that argument. Don frames his morality very clearly so a viewer can align correctly based on their own perspective. It seems as if the critics of the scene are actually saying his argument should not have been portrayed on tv at all. That is censorship.

BigMeatballDave 12-08-2014 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 11178100)
Allison Pill bugs me. Every time I see her I think about her being Doug Glatt's girlfriend in the hockey movie "Goon."

I like her in this show. I liked her in Scott Pilgrim, too.

ragedogg69 12-08-2014 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by underEJ (Post 11178515)
I really don't understand that argument. Don frames his morality very clearly so a viewer can align correctly based on their own perspective. It seems as if the critics of the scene are actually saying his argument should not have been portrayed on tv at all. That is censorship.

It is the new fangled equality for all, but not if you dont agree with me that seems so popular with my generation. It is nice to see Alena Smith get herself black balled from ever writing in a high profile drama again live on twitter. She sounds like a ****.

That scene was as even handed as it could possibly have been. I still side with Don, but I understand and empathize with the other side.


It was a very good episode, but the story they should have skipped was the boring Russian airport bullshit. Maybe because I remember what happened so there was no payoff for me.

Baby Lee 12-08-2014 11:14 PM

Not ending soon, Sean O'Neil now white knighting his reviewer from the outside looking in.

http://www.avclub.com/article/aaron-...-rape-p-212752

Usual clickbait sites weighing in as well, jezebel, buzzfeed, huffpo, etc.

I find simply this delicious, because when he isn't stubbing his toe on minority and gender issues, he's an unqualified darling of the 'progressive social media.' They still swoon in their Birkenstocks at the mention of The West Wing.

smith11 12-09-2014 01:28 AM

don't watch-when I want to get preached to I go to church instead

ragedogg69 12-09-2014 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11179483)
Not ending soon, Sean O'Neil now white knighting his reviewer from the outside looking in.

http://www.avclub.com/article/aaron-...-rape-p-212752

Usual clickbait sites weighing in as well, jezebel, buzzfeed, huffpo, etc.

I find simply this delicious, because when he isn't stubbing his toe on minority and gender issues, he's an unqualified darling of the 'progressive social media.' They still swoon in their Birkenstocks at the mention of The West Wing.

that was the most reeruned article I have read on the avclub. the comments are even worse. Most are completely ignoring Don's whole point. "he wants to silence rape victims!" The whole episode was pretty much about vetting and fact checking and people still missed the point of Don's argument? I weep for our future.

DaveNull 12-09-2014 07:27 AM

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The whole episode was pretty much about vetting and fact checking and people still missed the point of Don's argument?
And this should even more clear with the stuff about the Rolling Stone article coming out.

ragedogg69 12-09-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11179725)
And this should even more clear with the stuff about the Rolling Stone article coming out.

Libby's original review on avclub used that and Jaimis Winston as examples of rape victims not getting justice, when they are two of the worst examples for that. In fact, they are perfect examples of how rape victims can **** up their own case.

ragedogg69 12-09-2014 09:53 AM

For those curious on Sloan's interview subplot, it was nearly word for word based on Kimmel's take down on Gawker's googly eyed PR girl:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/2-avakrRUaU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-09-2014 10:39 PM

Don's argument is the same argument used for those that oppose capital punishment (one of the arguments, not all of them) in that if one innocent person dies a result of the punishment then the punishment is not morally justifiable.

I find it bizarre that people likely to support such a POV would be so taken aback by another version of it.

Baby Lee 12-09-2014 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11181710)
Don's argument is the same argument used for those that oppose capital punishment (one of the arguments, not all of them) in that if one innocent person dies a result of the punishment then the punishment is not morally justifiable.

I find it bizarre that people likely to support such a POV would be so taken aback by another version of it.

Not sure which way you're leaning with that. I see a way to read it that makes sense, but I also sense, knowing you, that you mean it in an altogether different manner.

Honestly, there are strong valid critiques of the aptness of the analogy whichever way you intend it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-10-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11181777)
Not sure which way you're leaning with that. I see a way to read it that makes sense, but I also sense, knowing you, that you mean it in an altogether different manner.

Honestly, there are strong valid critiques of the aptness of the analogy whichever way you intend it.

The idea of setting up a secondary justice system for rapists given that current one is woefully ineffective is nice in theory, but the potential of that particular system's misuse makes it too dangerous to implement.

One of the main critiques of capital punishment for death penalty opponents is that if one innocent person is wrongly executed, it is an irresponsible and unnecessary form of punishment precisely because it can lead to the death of an innocent.

It's the transitive theory in action, and denying the overlap is moral relativism.

Swanman 12-10-2014 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by smith11 (Post 11179626)
don't watch-when I want to get preached to I go to church instead

You seem nice

ragedogg69 12-15-2014 06:44 AM

meh. I was really hoping for more on that finale. I really didnt care for the flashback. sure it explained the character motivations for the pilot, but at this point, I didnt care for that to be explained.

When Sloan said "you both are making this more complicated than it is." must have been speaking from me, because that is how I have felt about the Maggie and Jim romance for 2 seasons now. God what a waste of time.

Overall an average finale for a great series.

Sully 12-15-2014 07:12 AM

It was average. Kind of a letdown.

I thought he tried to do, with this finale, the thing he did with WW's season 2 premier, but it just wasn't the right time.


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