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rabblerouser 10-16-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9021910)
The talent is not there.

Not at the level people think.

We have a lot of trash on the defensive line and in the secondary that needs to be taken out.

Offensively, Dexter, Baldwin and our backup running backs are NOT GOOD PLAYERS, certainly not guys who deserve to be starting anyway, and I am going to pound that into this forum's collective head until they agree with me.

This team needs:

HC
QB
At LEAST one WR
A RB to compliment Charles, because I doubt Hillis is back. Droughn and Gray are very average players it appears.
S
Two CBs
Probably 3 new defensive linemen, barring ascendance from Poe or Powe. We have absolutely nothing at DE.

^THIS

I am absolutely baffled how little safety depth there has been; since that Denver game in 2010 that Lewis missed w/injury, it's been obvious that anytime Berry or Lewis has been out (which is a lot) there has been absolutely NO back end responsibility, and P-hole has not addressed that at all...

...Rashard Langford and Shabby Piscatelli weren't the answer...

...and now, Berry and Lewis look to be drowning in the same foulness the rest of the team is choking on.

Not a good look, P-holey...not a good look.

NJChiefsFan 10-16-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022250)
^THIS

I am absolutely baffled how little safety depth there has been; since that Denver game in 2010 that Lewis missed w/injury, it's been obvious that anytime Berry or Lewis has been out (which is a lot) there has been absolutely NO back end responsibility, and P-hole has not addressed that at all...

...Rashard Langford and Shabby Piscatelli weren't the answer...

...and now, Berry and Lewis look to be drowning in the same foulness the rest of the team is choking on.

Not a good look, P-holey...not a good look.

I think Berry and Lewis will be alright. We do need depth there because as you mentioned they get hurt a lot. We just need to find somebody to fill Dorsey's spot that gets some pressure on the QB. I can live with Jackson on the other side stopping the run IF we had a DE opposite him that could put pressure on the QB. The NT spot is TBD.

Tribal Warfare 10-16-2012 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sfchief (Post 9022222)

The question would be if he would hire a 4-3 set coach or a 3-4 scheme guy

rabblerouser 10-16-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9022034)
Holy ****in shit. Nice post.

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9022284)
I think Berry and Lewis will be alright. We do need depth there because as you mentioned they get hurt a lot. We just need to find somebody to fill Dorsey's spot that gets some pressure on the QB. I can live with Jackson on the other side stopping the run IF we had a DE opposite him that could put pressure on the QB. The NT spot is TBD.

Dorsey is a 4-3 UT, playing out of position. The money Jackson is making, Dorsey is gone next year regardless, but I can't think of any 3-4 pass rushing DEs in a contract year off the top of my head, so that leaves the draft...and we need a QB...and most all pass rushing ends are gone quick. :\ this team has a LOT of holes.

**** YOU, P-HOLEY!!

NJChiefsFan 10-16-2012 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022337)
Dorsey is a 4-3 UT, playing out of position. The money Jackson is making, Dorsey is gone next year regardless, but I can't think of any 3-4 pass rushing DEs in a contract year off the top of my head, so that leaves the draft...and we need a QB...and most all pass rushing ends are gone quick. :\ this team has a LOT of holes.

**** YOU, P-HOLEY!!

A QB goes without saying at this point. Its a waste of time even typing it. Everyone knew from the beginning that Dorsey was being put in a spot that probably wasn't going to work.

sfchief 10-16-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9022291)
The question would be if he would hire a 4-3 set coach or a 3-4 scheme guy

I may be wrong but I think the giants have used both fronts in his time there

rabblerouser 10-16-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9022291)
The question would be if he would hire a 4-3 set coach or a 3-4 scheme guy

the right guy would adapt to his personnel, and for what it is, we're a 3-4 team right now. We don't have near enough line depth to run a 4-3 unless Houston and/or Hali went back to being down linemen, which honestly would **** both their games up.

Whoever comes in has to run some type of 3-4 or hybrid; it wouldn't have to be 2-gap, they could go like they did in Dallas and Houston and run the old Bum Phillips 34. At any rate, such an abrubt shift in philosophy would almost certainly result in yet another year of awful football.

chiefscafan 10-16-2012 08:23 PM

So do we even draft a qb if pioli gets the extension can he really say all cassel needs is protection. If he does that I'm done being a chief fan till pioli is gone.

rabblerouser 10-16-2012 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan (Post 9022394)
So do we even draft a qb if pioli gets the extension can he really say all cassel needs is protection. If he does that I'm done being a chief fan till pioli is gone.

There is no way he gets an extension at this point.

The only thing that makes any sense is 'clarifying the wording of the buyout clause'...

Because it is going to be used.

htismaqe 10-16-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9022372)
the right guy would adapt to his personnel, and for what it is, we're a 3-4 team right now. We don't have near enough line depth to run a 4-3 unless Houston and/or Hali went back to being down linemen, which honestly would **** both their games up.

Whoever comes in has to run some type of 3-4 or hybrid; it wouldn't have to be 2-gap, they could go like they did in Dallas and Houston and run the old Bum Phillips 34. At any rate, such an abrubt shift in philosophy would almost certainly result in yet another year of awful football.

We could switch to 1-gap right now and improve the defense dramatically. Passive defense just doesn't get it done in today's NFL. Even average QBs will pick it apart eventually.

sfchief 10-16-2012 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9022470)
We could switch to 1-gap right now and improve the defense dramatically. Passive defense just doesn't get it done in today's NFL. Even average QBs will pick it apart eventually.

YEP!
You have to have a great secondary hold long enough in a 2gap
Dorsey and Poe would benefit greatly

htismaqe 10-16-2012 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sfchief (Post 9022515)
YEP!
You have to have a great secondary hold long enough in a 2gap
Dorsey and Poe would benefit greatly

The rules don't favor coverage anymore. They just don't. That's why TV announcers go out of their way to congratulate a defense when nobody is open or they get a true coverage sack - because those instances are rare in today's NFL.

sfchief 10-16-2012 08:43 PM

Same reason a cover 2 doesn't work without a great pass rush

sfchief 10-16-2012 08:45 PM

We would need an upgrade in Ilb pass coverage in a 1 gap

Hammock Parties 10-16-2012 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9022470)
We could switch to 1-gap right now and improve the defense dramatically. Passive defense just doesn't get it done in today's NFL. Even average QBs will pick it apart eventually.

We think we could.

We know Dorsey and Jackson are useless in such a defense. Bailey is a lousy pass rusher and appears to be another Pioli bust at this point.

Could Powe, Ropati and Poe do it? It's questionable.

If we tried to change the entire scheme to 1-gap at this point I doubt it would do anything but cause mass confusion and enormous running lanes.


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