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FAX 12-30-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9252345)
There used to be poster here named Luzap who said he didn't really care if the Chiefs won or lost, he was just happy to have the NFL in KC. He liked going to games. Yeah, winning was nice, but so long as he could cheer for a team ...

And those people comprise Clark's primary market. Unquestionably. The loyal, faithful Chief Sheep.

FAX

Mizzou_8541 12-30-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9252343)
And that is the truth.

If Clark retains Dr. Evil, it's for reasons other than performance as an actual NFL pro football team.

FAX

To Clark, his feelings for Scott clearly are > a winning product and a happy fan base.

siberian khatru 12-30-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9252350)
Earlier this year, Kent Babb said that not firing Pioli would be evidence that Hunt is the worst owner in football.

Kind of hard to argue with this logic.

So if he keeps Pioli, what's the leash on him?

Hey he's breaking in a new QB and coach, right? That's gotta be worth another couple of seasons, right?

So 4-12 in 2013, 6-10 in 2014 ... That's some progress.

Dayton ****ing Moore and Scott ****ing Pioli. David ****ing Glass and Clark ****ing Hunt.

WTF am I a fan of these teams?

DeezNutz 12-30-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9252355)
I am a Clark supporter and I couldn't argue it.

I agree. This would be the ownership equivalent of shitting all over the fan base to the point that even Winston would cringe.

ChiefsCountry 12-30-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9252325)
The problem is that, for every informed anti-Piolite, there are dozens (if not hundreds) of Chiefs fans who guzzle the koolaid. Deb ALL CAPS is not alone. We're talking about tailgate addicts who couldn't care less (more or less) about the inner workings of the franchise. They just want to root for their team ... win or lose.

FAX

The Deb type fans are in small minority, just like most of us are in small minority. That middle class fan that wants to see the team do well/have fun at the game/casual fan is the money making machine. Its what Carl Peterson knew the best with the marketing research they had. A dick sucker like Pioli makes it impossible for that for that big casual group as well.

ChiefsCountry 12-30-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9252355)
I am a Clark supporter and I couldn't argue it.

This for me as well.

Raiderhater 12-30-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9252345)
There used to be poster here named Luzap who said he didn't really care if the Chiefs won or lost, he was just happy to have the NFL in KC. He liked going to games. Yeah, winning was nice, but so long as he could cheer for a team ...

There is a "name" I haven't heard in a while.

FAX 12-30-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9252368)
The Deb type fans are in small minority, just like most of us are in small minority. That middle class fan that wants to see the team do well/have fun at the game/casual fan is the money making machine. Its what Carl Peterson knew the best with the marketing research they had. A dick sucker like Pioli makes it impossible for that for that big casual group as well.

I'm not so sure. Your words of death have an iron-like quality, though, so I'll ponder the issue some more.

Right now, however, I have to believe that the majority of "Chiefs fans" will buy any change (be it HC, QB, whatever) as sufficient to encourage them to pay the fare.

FAX

DeezNutz 12-30-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9252365)
WTF am I a fan of these teams?

I hear you, and I'm not sure of my reaction. It's easy to say, "I'm done with this franchise."

But this is the type of emotional reaction that might not be honest or realistic. I've been following this piece of shit organization for decades, so this isn't the type of interest that can be turned on or off like a switch.

I understand that Pioli's pomp and incompetence has been eroding passion and general interest, but any organization is far larger than one person...

Tough situation for fans.

htismaqe 12-30-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9252389)
I'm not so sure. Your words of death have an iron-like quality, though, so I'll ponder the issue some more.

Right now, however, I have to believe that the majority of "Chiefs fans" will buy any change (be it HC, QB, whatever) as sufficient to encourage them to pay the fare.

FAX

I will admit, I want to draft a QB SO BAD, I don't know if I will be able to quit watching, even if it is Pioli that is doing the drafting.

htismaqe 12-30-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9252392)
I hear you, and I'm not sure of my reaction. It's easy to say, "I'm done with this franchise."

But this is the type of emotional reaction that might not be honest or realistic. I've been following this piece of shit organization for decades, so this isn't the type of interest that can be turned on or off like a switch.

I understand that Pioli's pomp and incompetence has been eroding passion and general interest, but any organization is far larger than one person...

Tough situation for fans.

THIS

Messier 12-30-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541 (Post 9252361)
To Clark, his feelings for Scott clearly are > a winning product and a happy fan base.

They could just rent a house together or something. Why does their relationship have to interfere with my enjoyment of the Chiefs.

KCUnited 12-30-2012 02:59 PM

If true, this should take SMU from death row to the chair.

BossChief 12-30-2012 02:59 PM

PUT ON YOUR TIN FOIL HAT:

Is it possible that Clark wanted a franchise quarterback and told Pioli to tank this season to get the top pick to get one and that if he did so his job would be safe?

I know for a fact that he made it clear to Herm Edwards that he wanted the team to play the young players in 2008 in hopes of getting them experience and putting the team in position to draft a quarterback...but these two things are totally different.

Ok, you can take the tin foil hats off. That idea is silly.

-King- 12-30-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9252203)
It's not just ticket sales.

Pioli has his hand in every aspect of the org. Operation costs from the amount of ink used, to paper ordered, to the fabric on sales people's chairs have been micromanaged by him.

He has his hands everywhere. He's cut their spending significantly over what Carl had done. That was one of the appeals Clark first had with Scott is SP came in and pinpointed areas to save money.

Clark is a business man. He hasn't lost money a single year Pioli has been here.

Has any team ever lost money?


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