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patteeu 05-04-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9657173)
I can't speak for others, but the fear I have is that Alex will play OK but not great and earn what most Chief QB's get, more time than they deserve. I know that past regimes don't control the fate of this one, but my fear is there just the same. Alex not getting a new contract was a good start at least. I just want this organization to judge the QB with their eyes and not go OUT OF THEIR WAY to find a way to defend them.

A healthy amount of the fan base seems to only want a chance at a fun season with a risk-free QB, and until something different happens I am not going to be able to trust that the organization looks at the QB position differently. Just have to hope that it isn't the case, or that Alex actually is more than I think he is.

I think that's a fair fear. I also think that it's reasonable to believe that if Alex plays OK but not great this first year that he may well deserve more time if the coaches see progress. I think we should expect Alex Smith to be here for 3 years unless he really bombs in 2013. We should also expect the Chiefs to make some continual effort to find a QBoTF in the next couple of drafts, but I doubt that they'll be trading up in the first to snag a blue chip prospect in 2014.

patteeu 05-04-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9657180)
So teams like the 49ers, Ravens, Falcons, Packers, etc hitting on their first, second and third round picks at like an 70 to 80 percent efficiency in being top 5 to 10 at their position almost immediately is just them NOT living up to a standard of "doing their due diligence?"

Some of these teams have been competing for the last 5 to 10 years, based on missing on draft picks? Or do you think they were just ALL lucky. It was pure luck that Joe Flacco panned out on a team that already had a Super Bowl winning defense from the old regime or that the Packers went from one franchise QB to the next or the Steelers were able to transition from old veterans to young players back to old veterans while having more winning seasons than losing seasons

Just FOs not living up to a standard then by your logic, then what are they doing to remain competitive??

literally the only team that has proven to be a fraud, by coaching and players leaving the team for other NFL teams is the Patriots lucking into Tom Brady, that is pure luck that bumbling fraud of a FO fell into. Other than that, these other teams have a model they have stuck by for like 20 years lol

I don't know what you're talking about here, but all of them missed on Tom Brady at least 5 times. The 49ers missed on him 9 times. That doesn't make them all failures.

BossChief 05-04-2013 04:47 PM

It's pointless to argue with Patteau over anything to do with the Chiefs because he will defend their moves regardless of the quality of said moves.

We could pass on Peyton Manning to sign Joey Harrington and the guy would defend the move.

Mav 05-04-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 9657136)
All we can do right now is wait n see who pans out at qb in the 2013 season. There were qb's that could have been had that have some nice potential in the 2nd round. Hell, all of them but Manuel. If anyone outside of EJ pans out to a damned good qb, then we ****ed up beyond ****ed up, because they played it "Safe"

As of right now, we dont know because no drafted qb's have played a down in the NFL.

i love manuel. I think he is going to be a stud.....

milkman 05-04-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9657009)
i was talking to a buddy of mine last night who is a die hard chiefs fan, and he said that, not me, that alex smith was by far the best qb the chiefs could of gotten this offseason, and hes happy with it. And hes one of the more realistic fans out there. It was a no brainer. And has to say something. The chiefs could of had Kolb for Free, Flynn for cheaper, Carson Palmer for less than they gave up, matt hasselbeck for free, a lot of options that know the Andy Reid/ Mike holmgren systems, and they didnt. They over paid for alex smith. That should ring a bell with some angry fans that the NFL has some sort of respect for alex smith.

Alex Smith is tough, smart, efficient, and all class.

That earns respect.

I respect how he has handled himself each and every year, through all the adversity, the benchings, and the final benching last season while putting up highly efficient numbers.

But the bottom line is that he simply isn't a franchise QB capable of putting his team on his shoulders and carrying them to a championship.

As a fan that hasn't seen his team win a championship since '70, that just isn't acceptable.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-04-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9656546)
Matter of fact I have more confidence that Tyler Bray has a better chance progressing as a dev QB than Geno after what I witnessed from Geno at the draft.

YOU didn't witness shit, dumbass. And yep; we'll soon find out, won't we?
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RealSNR 05-04-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9657264)
It's pointless to argue with Patteau over anything to do with the Chiefs because he will defend their moves regardless of the quality of said moves.

We could pass on Peyton Manning to sign Joey Harrington and the guy would defend the move.

Just as long as we didn't draft Joey Harrington.

That would be risky and stupid, and we'd be as terrible as the Cleveland Browns.

Mav 05-05-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9657911)
Alex Smith is tough, smart, efficient, and all class.

That earns respect.

I respect how he has handled himself each and every year, through all the adversity, the benchings, and the final benching last season while putting up highly efficient numbers.

But the bottom line is that he simply isn't a franchise QB capable of putting his team on his shoulders and carrying them to a championship.

As a fan that hasn't seen his team win a championship since '70, that just isn't acceptable.

I understand that. The goal shouldnt be just to get to 9-7. I know that Alex Smith isnt the long term solution at qb, no matter how many press conferences fat andy says that hes going to get alex smith into the hall of fame. I get that. My guess is, that you will draft your QBOTF next year.

philfree 05-05-2013 08:01 AM

Not that you would want to copy the Jags but apparently they drafted a RT with the 2nd overall pick.



Luke Joeckel starts strong at RT

Updated: May 5, 2013, 9:21 AM ET
Associated Press

Jaguars Select Luke Joeckel



JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jaguars offensive tackle Luke Joeckel is going through an awkward stage.

His hand placement, foot stagger and set balance seem strange -- all part of his transition from left to right tackle.

He might feel a bit off, but he looks just fine.


Joeckel has been downright dominant through two days of rookie minicamp, showing exactly why the Jaguars selected him with the second overall pick in last week's NFL draft.

He hasn't allowed a sack or even a pressure in team drills. It shouldn't be much of a surprise because he's going against undrafted rookies and tryout players. But it's surely a good start for a former Texas A&M standout, playing a somewhat different position for the first time in years.

"It's feeling a lot better than I thought it would," Joeckel said following another rain-soaked practice Saturday. "My set felt a lot cleaner today and my first step felt a little bit faster today. It's going to be a process, but it's moving along pretty well."

The Jaguars already have Joeckel locked into a starting role this fall, with hopes that he will help solidify an offensive line that allowed 50 sacks last season.

Coaches and front-office personnel believe an improved line will allow them to more accurately evaluate quarterback Blaine Gabbert, whose first two years were filled with team turmoil and key injuries.

Adding Joeckel to a line that's getting starting guards Uche Nwaneri and Will Rackley back from injuries should make the Jaguars more functional than they've been the last two seasons.

Joeckel allowed just two sacks over his final two seasons with the Aggies, and for months after the season, was widely projected as the top draft pick. Kansas City, though, opted to take Central Michigan's Eric Fisher with the No. 1 choice.

Joeckel was admittedly disappointed, but he quickly put those feelings aside after going second to Jacksonville.

He also embraced the move to right tackle.

"I want to get on the field," he said. "I want to help my team win football games, whatever position it might be. If they wanted me to go play guard, I'd go play guard. I definitely would love to be a left tackle in the future, but whatever gets me on the field is what I'd do."

So far, the results have been positive.

"He has excellent movement skills, great balance, he's a very smart kid," offensive line coach George Yarno said. "He's working hard. He's going to get better fast. He's competitive. Love what I've seen so far.

"He's so smooth, a fluid mover. He has great, natural balance. His lower body has a lot of power in it. He has a low center of gravity. He has all those things you look for in a tackle, especially. I'm really excited to get to work with him."

The real test will come when Joeckel lines up against Jaguars veterans Jason Babin and Jeremy Mincey during organized team activities later this month. Maybe even more telling will be his first days in full pads, when coaches and teammates will get a better feel for his physicality and toughness.

"He's right on track," coach Gus Bradley said. "Now he just needs to get more and more reps. It'll probably take him a little bit of time on the right side, but he will get it. You see he's such a professional already with handling it that he will get there."

Equally challenging for Joeckel has been dealing with his newfound stardom. After the draft, he returned to College Station, Texas, and was mobbed for autographs and pictures around town.

"It was pretty crazy," he said. "An offensive lineman finally gets his face on TV and now you're getting recognized. It's not a bad thing. It was very cool. I was getting stared at before because I was so large. But now I'm getting stared at because my face was on TV. It's a little different."





Copyright 2013 by The Associated Press

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-05-2013 10:03 AM

Who...the ****...cares?
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patteeu 05-05-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9658768)
Who...the ****...cares?
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How's that Vienna sausage swinging today, mate?

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-05-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9658777)
How's that Vienna sausage swinging today, mate?

Two feet and rising.
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Hootie 05-05-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9657180)
So teams like the 49ers, Ravens, Falcons, Packers, etc hitting on their first, second and third round picks at like an 70 to 80 percent efficiency

false

jesus

Hootie 05-05-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9657911)
Alex Smith is tough, smart, efficient, and all class.

That earns respect.

I respect how he has handled himself each and every year, through all the adversity, the benchings, and the final benching last season while putting up highly efficient numbers.

But the bottom line is that he simply isn't a franchise QB capable of putting his team on his shoulders and carrying them to a championship.

As a fan that hasn't seen his team win a championship since '70, that just isn't acceptable.

who would you have preferred this offseason to Alex? Another year of Cassel? What franchise QB could we have landed?

Chiefshrink 05-05-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9658285)
And yep; we'll soon find out, won't we?
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Denial is fun for awhile, but then...........:rolleyes:

Geno's 1st day of the draft was definitely "Leafesque" that only gets worse my friend.


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