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htismaqe 02-28-2014 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10458418)
I would like to see us use a lot of late round picks and undrafted picks on positions like linemen. We should hopefully get to the point where every year, we have a young option to replace an expensive one. And you don't need big dollars or high draft picks to find good linemen.

I agree.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10458418)
I'm surprised at how many people on this thread are panicking about losing Schwartz. If people are so gung ho about not drafting a Guard in the first round, then they shouldn't hold the position in such high regard that we'd panic over losing one.

It's a numbers game. With both Schwartz and Asamoah as free agents, they're going to have to pick some players up somewhere. It opens up the very real possibility that they'll draft one early. After last year, that's just very hard for some of us to stomach.

chiefzilla1501 02-28-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10458421)
I agree.



It's a numbers game. With both Schwartz and Asamoah as free agents, they're going to have to pick some players up somewhere. It opens up the very real possibility that they'll draft one early. After last year, that's just very hard for some of us to stomach.

Yeah, that concerns me too, given Reid's history. But I feel pretty good that for interior linemen, this won't be too big a concern. I feel like with Stephenson and Fisher at Tackle, we probably wouldn't have to worry about a first round lineman pick. Unless we're talking about a pro bowl level interior lineman which I wouldn't be crazy about, but it at least means you upgrade the position for a lot cheaper.

booger 02-28-2014 08:44 AM

'Youngest Oline in the NFL'. How many times did Reid use that when the offense struggled. When Asomah and Schwartz started to rotate before GS took over full time when Asomoah was injured. Dorsey used the "youngest OLine in the NFL" line in his presser at the combine too. That line gets younger with Albert out the door. I expect them to draft for depth on the OL but I just don't see an early pic on OL.

It's the same reason why when the offseason started and I assumed they would get Schwartz re-signed I wanted to see an upgrade for Allen at LG because I also assumed Fisher would slide to LT sooner rather than later and I would like to see a vet Guard next to him. To balance things out.

And remember a big reason why they like Schwartz is he is a big G that can play T. Reid has a history of plugging in those types especially his earlier years in Philly. It helps greatly on the game day roster with only 7 active. There's what, one source out there saying Schwartz may not resign? It's pretty early to think that's a done deal compared to Albert leaving which looks much more like a far gone conclusion.

I hope they target guys like Ebon Britton G/T (played for Heck in J'ville)
Jason Spitz C/G who has GB Sea and J'ville connections in KC. Jon Gruden favorite Jeremy Trueblood G/RT. Guys like that for bargain signings. Competition to where if the Roc Watkins and Rishaw Johnsons beat them out they will be better because of the competition anyway.

Austin Howard, Michael Oher, and Roger Saffold all have a good market to get starting OT jobs with loads of cash but I would love to see KC throw some cash at one of them to come in and play G if they are willing which the only advantage edge there in recruiting them is to play for an up and coming team in KC and Reid. Money talks there. I just think Reid would like his own Mike Iupati type of G. Schwartz is still probably the cheapest option in that regard.

Bowser 02-28-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10458413)
I'd rather put everything on playmakers.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of drafting linemen in the 1st round.

This just can't be quoted enough.

RealSNR 02-28-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10458410)
If we truly believe what we've been saying for years that the team needs to build through the draft, then we shouldn't be panicking about a Guard leaving the team. I would rather put our money on playmakers.

We will. Giving Schwartz what he wants for a contract isn't going to break the bank or prevent us from re-signing Berry, Houston, or Smith.

We can have a rotation of brilliant playmakers that we've always wanted if we keep drafting them. But we can't keep drafting them if we're wasting picks on the ****ing offensive line.

The offensive line is THE position to throw money at. The players are cheaper, and success is often based on chemistry and scheme. Once you find the right combination, it's not a good idea to be switching pieces in and out. It's about time that we had a starting offensive line that didn't have one or more first-year starters or rookies on it. It's also about time that we didn't have a starting offensive line with brokedick veterans on it like Lilja and Weigmann.

That's why we should re-sign Schwartz. And STOP ****ING DRAFTING OFFENSIVE LINEMEN.

The Franchise 02-28-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10458669)
We will. Giving Schwartz what he wants for a contract isn't going to break the bank or prevent us from re-signing Berry, Houston, or Smith.

We can have a rotation of brilliant playmakers that we've always wanted if we keep drafting them. But we can't keep drafting them if we're wasting picks on the ****ing offensive line.

The offensive line is THE position to throw money at. The players are cheaper, and success is often based on chemistry and scheme. Once you find the right combination, it's not a good idea to be switching pieces in and out. It's about time that we had a starting offensive line that didn't have one or more first-year starters or rookies on it. It's also about time that we didn't have a starting offensive line with brokedick veterans on it like Lilja and Weigmann.

That's why we should re-sign Schwartz. And STOP ****ING DRAFTING OFFENSIVE LINEMEN.

That and offensive linemen tend to play for a lot longer than skill positions. A 30 year old OG is going to be just fine....where as a 30 year old WR/TE/RB is going to start declining.

Dave Lane 02-28-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10454878)
What are the top 10-15 contracts for guards? Numbers-wise? I'm not expecting us to give him Levitre money, but I'd be willing to shell some dough out to keep Schwartz here long-term.

Better than ****ing away more draft picks in the first 3 rounds at the ****ing offensive line.

Moar OL

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The Franchise 02-28-2014 11:48 AM

Top 10 OG Cap Hits.

Mankins - $10m
Snee - $8.5m
Blalock - $7.6m
Yanda - $7.45m
Colledge - $7.25m
Evans - $6.74m
Joseph - $6m
Nwaneri - $5.8m
Sitton - $5.5m
Incognito - $4.97m

BossChief 02-28-2014 12:21 PM

I bet Incognito could be had for a bargain.

RealSNR 02-28-2014 01:05 PM

There you ****ing have it.

The Patriots (the kings of Jewing their own players) are paying out the ass for a guard who's been on the team for years.

Acquire your offensive line. Pay them. Quit wasting draft stock on the position. That's how you do it, folks.

-King- 02-28-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10454878)
What are the top 10-15 contracts for guards? Numbers-wise? I'm not expecting us to give him Levitre money, but I'd be willing to shell some dough out to keep Schwartz here long-term.

Better than ****ing away more draft picks in the first 3 rounds at the ****ing offensive line.


You want to sign a guy to a long term deal after he only started 7 games here and 26 in 6 years?

I understand not wanting to draft one in the first 3 rounds, but there are plenty of Geoff Schwartz's in the last 4 rounds. Some even better. And they'll be even cheaper than Schwartz.

RealSNR 02-28-2014 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10459080)
You want to sign a guy to a long term deal after he only started 7 games here and 26 in 6 years?

I understand not wanting to draft one in the first 3 rounds, but there are plenty of Geoff Schwartz's in the last 4 rounds. Some even better.

Then are we letting Asamoah walk?

If both of those guys leave, are we starting a rookie? Or are we bringing in a free agent?

The free agent will be just as pricey.

-King- 02-28-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10459081)
Then are we letting Asamoah walk?

If both of those guys leave, are we starting a rookie? Or are we bringing in a free agent?

The free agent will be just as pricey.

I wouldn't mind any of the above honestly. That's why I'm not bent out of shape about it. There's little if any difference in Asomoah, Schwartz, or a rookie except that Schwartz has pretty much maxed out his ceiling.

RealSNR 02-28-2014 02:29 PM

I do not want to start a rookie. Jeff Allen still plays like one. We don't need another.

Yeah, it's great if you find a Larry Warford staring at you in the 5th round. Good luck finding one, though. Otherwise there we are pissing away our 1st or 3rd on another guard.

OldSchool 02-28-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10458913)
There you ****ing have it.

The Patriots (the kings of Jewing their own players) are paying out the ass for a guard who's been on the team for years.

Acquire your offensive line. Pay them. Quit wasting draft stock on the position. That's how you do it, folks.

Parriots drafted Logan Makins in the 1st round.:thumb: They also almost never spend a 1st on a WR.


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