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saphojunkie 03-10-2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10476975)
They don't want an outstanding team. They want a repeat of the 90's.

Don't be an idiot.

htismaqe 03-10-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10476981)
Don't be an idiot.

Read the posts and then chime in. People around here LOVE to refer to the good old days "when we were a contender". So much of a contender that we won zero playoff games after Montana left.

Mugsy 03-10-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10476970)
Better than drafting a mediocre right tackle when you already had Branden Albert, Donald Stephenson, and 3 other high draft picks on the line.

You're not going to win this argument. Fisher was a horrible pick. There's no other way to look at it unless you're just a ****ing homer.

They had to choose between Albert and Bowe. After they chose Bowe, keeping Albert was never going to be an option going forward. This year, we would have never been able to afford Veldeer or Munroe either. If we hadn't taken Fisher, we would be looking at taking an OT in this year's first round and probably at pick #23. Fisher is going to be better than Cyrus Kouandjio and that's exactly who we'd be looking at in this draft if we passed on an OT in 2013.

htismaqe 03-10-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10476986)
They had to choose between Albert and Bowe. After they chose Bowe, keeping Albert was never going to be an option going forward. We wouldn't be able to afford Veldeer or Munroe if we couldn't afford Albert. If we hadn't taken Fisher, we would be looking at taking an OT in this year's first round and probably at pick #23. Fisher is going to be better than Cyrus Kouandjio and that's exactly who we'd be looking at in this draft if we passed on an OT in 2013.

Fisher isn't better than Donald Stephenson, a THIRD round pick.

Nothing you said here is even remotely true. 100% speculation.

Messier 03-10-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10476975)
They don't want an outstanding team. They want a repeat of the 90's.

Bet you were one of those, Carl doesn't want a championship, he just wants a full Arrowhead, guys.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10476967)
Yeah. You can play this game with any draft any year. You're the first I've seen to question the Flowers pick. Also Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone you mentioned.

Over Talib and DRC? Certainly.

But Clady and Campbell? No way.

Clady was arguably the best LT in the NFL prior to his injury. Great LTs are harder to find than a great RB.

Campbell is one of the most disruptive DL players of this generation and that's coming from the 5-tech position.

I wouldn't hesitate to trade Charles for either of them.

A great RB is a hell of a lot easier to replace than a great DL or OL player.

We could have gotten all 3 of those guys plus Charles in the 3rd still.

htismaqe 03-10-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 10476991)
Bet you were one of those, Carl doesn't want a championship, he just wants a full Arrowhead, guys.

Actually, no I wasn't.

I was the President of the Carlpologists and was even accused of being on his payroll.

See, I have this thing about looking at things realistically. People tend to only look at this team in polar extremes so realism is something that's really hard to digest for them.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10476972)
The point is that going "safe" at 1.1 in a draft that doesn't have a true sure thing is kind of counter-intuitive.

That going "safe" helps you build a solid team but makes it more difficult to find true stars and build an outstanding team.

You'd have an argument if there actually were any "outstanding" skills players in that draft. There weren't.

htismaqe 03-10-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10477011)
You'd have an argument if there actually were any "outstanding" skills players in that draft. There weren't.

Many of them could develop into good skill players. Unless we're already writing them off.

Oopsie...

duncan_idaho 03-10-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10476986)
They had to choose between Albert and Bowe. After they chose Bowe, keeping Albert was never going to be an option going forward. This year, we would have never been able to afford Veldeer or Munroe either. If we hadn't taken Fisher, we would be looking at taking an OT in this year's first round and probably at pick #23. Fisher is going to be better than Cyrus Kouandjio and that's exactly who we'd be looking at in this draft if we passed on an OT in 2013.

This argument really doesn't work. Just because the cost of Albert was going to become too prohibitive doesn't mean they have to use a Round 1 pick to replace him.

Nothing says the Chiefs would need to find a RT in the first round or even in the draft, period, had they not drafted Fisher.

Good OL can be found all over the place. Including the 3rd round and later.

Messier 03-10-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10477001)
Actually, no I wasn't.

I was the President of the Carlpologists and was even accused of being on his payroll.

See, I have this thing about looking at things realistically. People tend to only look at this team in polar extremes so realism is something that's really hard to digest for them.

The reality is no coach, owner, or GM is satisfied with making the playoffs. They all want to build a championship team.

saphojunkie 03-10-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10476983)
Read the posts and then chime in. People around here LOVE to refer to the good old days "when we were a contender". So much of a contender that we won zero playoff games after Montana left.

I read your post as "they" meaning "the Chiefs."

If you meant "they" as in "Chiefs season ticket holders," then I think yeah... you're probably right.

But the Chiefs - Hunt, Dorsey, Reid, et al... those guys want a championship and thinking otherwise is silly. That's what I was referring to, but it occurs to me now that you were talking about the fans.

OldSchool 03-10-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10477015)
Many of them could develop into good skill players. Unless we're already writing them off.

Oopsie...

Just curious, who were you actually advocating for in that draft? None of this retrospective ish, who was it that you wanted to take #1 overall?

htismaqe 03-10-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10477029)
Just curious, who were you actually advocating for in that draft? None of this retrospective ish, who was it that you wanted to take #1 overall?

I wanted Geno Smith. Of course, that turned out to be wrong.

And of course, that has NOTHING at all to do with the discussion at hand. There were several options that were better than Eric Fisher.

Messier 03-10-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10476994)
Over Talib and DRC? Certainly.

But Clady and Campbell? No way.

Clady was arguably the best LT in the NFL prior to his injury. Great LTs are harder to find than a great RB.

Campbell is one of the most disruptive DL players of this generation and that's coming from the 5-tech position.

I wouldn't hesitate to trade Charles for either of them.

A great RB is a hell of a lot easier to replace than a great DL or OL player.

We could have gotten all 3 of those guys plus Charles in the 3rd still.

I think you're overrating Campbell, but that's me. My point is in most drafts for every team, you'll find a better player than the one you took, later in the draft. The 2008 draft was really good. To say it hurt us, is nuts.


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