Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14976891)

I don't know if players can really get bigger and faster at this point.

The human body isn't designed to get that explosive.

If players are going to KEEP getting bigger and faster we're going to start seeing guys tendons just exploding on the field due to the laws of physics.

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14976886)

Bob Hayes ran a 10.06 100m on a dirt track over 50 years ago, he would be the fastest player today and always has been.

Jim Brown 6-2 230 which is big today, he could play.

Gale Sayers could play.

But, not too many others due to lack of size, speed.

Bears Wilie Gault ran a 10.10 100m, Hill...10.19.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14977017)

Gault's track time may have been faster, but I contend that on the football field, with pads and football cleats, Hill is faster.

To me there has only been 1 offensive player, and 2 defenders whose speed on the football field met the Tyreek Hill eye test, and Willie Gault isn't one of them.

Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green are the only players that I have ever seen that clearly look like the fastest in any given football game.

Gault was a long strider and had a great kick at the end of the race, on a track, with track cleats, but on the football field Tyreek Hill can hit his top speed in significantly less time than Gault.

I think Hill has the fastest acceleration ever seen in the NFL. Bo, Prime Time, and Green were all very fast, obviously, but none of them ever trained for speed the way Hill does. Even Gault as a sprinter didn't train the way Hill does. And earlier someone said Gault was an Olympic sprinter, but he never competed in the Olympics as a sprinter, because of the boycott. He did make it as a member of the USA bobsled team.

Bo is the closest to Hill for initial acceleration, but Hill is just on another level. Tyreek Hill reportedly ran a 4.22 or 4.23 in workouts before the draft. Mecole Hardman reportedly ran a 4.24 at the Georgia pro day, but when you watch Hill and Hardman make big plays, it takes Hardman about 5-6 strides to hit top speed, and it takes Hill about 4 strides.

So, you can reference all the track stats you want to, but on a football field I will take Hill over Gault all day every day. I will say that I am not old enough to compare Hill to Bob Hayes on the football field, so I have no reference to compare them.

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 14978883)

Add in change of direction and I don’t think anyone can hang with Hill.

Hill makes dudes that play in space look like fools. I can’t imagine trying to defend him when you’re not used to playing in space

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14976130)

I think I’d like to see 19 Chiefs against other historic offenses as well.

99 Rams No Mahomes
89 Niners No Mahomes
94 Niners No Mahomes
91 Redskins No Mahomes

Etc......

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 14978802)

I think 50 years ago the times should probably be considered inaccurate. Hill ran a 10.19 laser timed while Hayes ran hand-timed. Apparently we need to add .22-.24 seconds to all hand-timed numbers.

That is based on this site and this site, which I googled and did no further research. Hayes probably did actually run somewhere in the 10.2s and Tyreek would have beat everybody.

Unrelated to that, but Jim Brown would be an absolute beast today. He'd be a more violent Marshawn Lynch and it would be so fun to watch. Sayers would be amazing to watch in Andy Reid's offense if he gave him at least 15 runs a game and 10 targets in the passing game.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14977017)

Gault's track time may have been faster, but I contend that on the football field, with pads and football cleats, Hill is faster.

To me there has only been 1 offensive player, and 2 defenders whose speed on the football field met the Tyreek Hill eye test, and Willie Gault isn't one of them.

Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green are the only players that I have ever seen that clearly look like the fastest in any given football game.

Gault was a long strider and had a great kick at the end of the race, on a track, with track cleats, but on the football field Tyreek Hill can hit his top speed in significantly less time than Gault.

I think Hill has the fastest acceleration ever seen in the NFL. Bo, Prime Time, and Green were all very fast, obviously, but none of them ever trained for speed the way Hill does. Even Gault as a sprinter didn't train the way Hill does. And earlier someone said Gault was an Olympic sprinter, but he never competed in the Olympics as a sprinter, because of the boycott. He did make it as a member of the USA bobsled team.

Bo is the closest to Hill for initial acceleration, but Hill is just on another level. Tyreek Hill reportedly ran a 4.22 or 4.23 in workouts before the draft. Mecole Hardman reportedly ran a 4.24 at the Georgia pro day, but when you watch Hill and Hardman make big plays, it takes Hardman about 5-6 strides to hit top speed, and it takes Hill about 4 strides.

So, you can reference all the track stats you want to, but on a football field I will take Hill over Gault all day every day. I will say that I am not old enough to compare Hill to Bob Hayes on the football field, so I have no reference to compare them.

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