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BossChief 10-26-2022 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16556166)
It would cost us virtually nothing to acquire Hughes. There's no reason not to try and improve this team everywhere they can.

Here’s my question about him, and I’m a fan of how he plays.

Would he be motivated to play a very limited role here?

Danna is getting healthy
Clark is a vet that the coaches seem to trust for sone reason
Dunlap is solid, but doesn’t offer a speed rush aspect
Karlaftis needs reps to continue to grow into a bigger role
Jones has been sliding out to end at times

htismaqe 10-26-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16556178)
Here’s my question about him, and I’m a fan of how he plays.

Would he be motivated to play a very limited role here?

Danna is getting healthy
Clark is a vet that the coaches seem to trust for sone reason
Dunlap is solid, but doesn’t offer a speed rush aspect
Karlaftis needs reps to continue to grow into a bigger role
Jones has been sliding out to end at times

Will he be motivated to play for a team that has a REAL shot at winning a ring? I think so.

DJ's left nut 10-26-2022 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16556149)
I was just looking at his contract and apparently, there was some misreporting being done or something...

He has 1.17 of guaranteed salary this year and 8.11 million in bonus money. His salary goes up to 18 and 13 million in 2023 and 2024, respectively. They have the 8.11 million in bonus money tacked on in each of those years for cap hits of 26 and 21 million.

So, they are really just paying the balance of the 8.11 left this year, let's call it about 5 million, to pick up a 3rd-round pick provided they are intent on releasing him anyhow in the offseason.

If you can restructure a little of that money next year into a bonus, for example 5 million, you could have Cooks for 2 years at 15.5 million per. That's not bad for a guy that can get you 1100 yards in an offense taylor-made for his skill set.

Which I did suggest previously - but remember, because his 2023 salary is guaranteed, he has no incentive to take a paycut. So if you reduce his hit next year, it's going to be via a bonus that turns into dead money the following year.

I knew that was the structure of his deal - I'm not at all worried about this year's figure. I'm trying to figure out how to get Houston to eat some of NEXT year's money, hence my suggestion of him agreeing to a new deal with Houston before being traded.

As for the bonus money - already paid. It's strictly an accounting measure. His cap hit for this season for an acquiring team would be just his pro-rated base so, like $900K.

If Houston's looking to 'eat' any money, it has to be next season's. Unless some reporter is acting like Houston is being noble in agreeing to absorb accelerated bonus charges upon trading a player, as though that's not going to happen by rule already.

DJ's left nut 10-26-2022 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16556178)
Here’s my question about him, and I’m a fan of how he plays.

Would he be motivated to play a very limited role here?

Danna is getting healthy
Clark is a vet that the coaches seem to trust for sone reason
Dunlap is solid, but doesn’t offer a speed rush aspect
Karlaftis needs reps to continue to grow into a bigger role
Jones has been sliding out to end at times

Karlaftis, sadly, may actually need fewer reps. He's not progressing right now. Perhaps putting less weight on his shoulders will help there.

Dunlap and Hughes are solid complements to each other.

Danna has exactly 3 weeks in his career where he's been a genuine asset. Otherwise he's just been a solid little space-filler; You can't exactly bank on him staying at a high(ish) level.

Jones is sliding outside by necessity as often as not. Let's figure out a way to prevent that.

Frank Clark ****ing Sucks.

There's absolutely room for 25-30 snaps/gm for Hughes here. And he can still do plenty of damage in those snaps.

RunKC 10-26-2022 03:30 PM

I would give a 6th for Hughes. He would be an excellent rotational rusher

tyecopeland 10-26-2022 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16556040)
Quinn doesn't have the numbers this year, but he's been doubled alot and can still bend well.

Oh well, on to the next hope.

Backing up your point, he seems to be performing pretty well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate/pass rush win rate by Robert Quinn. Average PRWR, but on an insane number of double teams (data from <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SethWalder</a>)<br><br>That&#39;s going away in Philly <a href="https://t.co/k5tX2Xt3ou">pic.twitter.com/k5tX2Xt3ou</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1585365528138616832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O.city 10-26-2022 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16556161)
I still have hope on us swinging a trade for Sweat.

That guy would be an absolutely perfect fit across from Furious George.

Now this I like.

ToxSocks 10-26-2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 16556197)
Backing up your point, he seems to be performing pretty well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate/pass rush win rate by Robert Quinn. Average PRWR, but on an insane number of double teams (data from <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SethWalder</a>)<br><br>That&#39;s going away in Philly <a href="https://t.co/k5tX2Xt3ou">pic.twitter.com/k5tX2Xt3ou</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1585365528138616832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Look at Jerry Hughes on that list.

/shrug.

WTF do i know. Lol

O.city 10-26-2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 16556197)
Backing up your point, he seems to be performing pretty well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate/pass rush win rate by Robert Quinn. Average PRWR, but on an insane number of double teams (data from <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SethWalder</a>)<br><br>That&#39;s going away in Philly <a href="https://t.co/k5tX2Xt3ou">pic.twitter.com/k5tX2Xt3ou</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1585365528138616832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jerry Hughes is above him so...well...whatever.

htismaqe 10-26-2022 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16556201)
Jerry Hughes is above him so...well...whatever.

By the graph, they get doubled about the same amount of times. Jerry Hughes is just better at beating them.

Again, for a 5th or 6th rounder, he's absolutely worth it. Especially if Quinn brought a 4th.

Balto 10-26-2022 03:40 PM

Ouch George!

tyecopeland 10-26-2022 03:41 PM

Just for shits and grins I'm now posting the dt chart of the same


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate at defensive tackle (x) by pass rush win rate at defensive tackle (y).<br><br>-Clear top tier of two: Jones and Donald. <br><br>-Maliek Collins a bright spot for Texans<br><br>-Just half a sack for Christian Wilkins but nice win rate.<br><br>-Strong numbers for D. Jones, Q. Williams <a href="https://t.co/rirqCg2RNG">pic.twitter.com/rirqCg2RNG</a></p>&mdash; Seth Walder (@SethWalder) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1585325803692326912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 10-26-2022 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16556199)
Now this I like.

Hughes getting the same number of doubles and winning at a higher rate than Quinn.

He's absolutely worth adding.

DJ's left nut 10-26-2022 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 16556213)
Just for shits and grins I'm now posting the dt chart of the same


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate at defensive tackle (x) by pass rush win rate at defensive tackle (y).<br><br>-Clear top tier of two: Jones and Donald. <br><br>-Maliek Collins a bright spot for Texans<br><br>-Just half a sack for Christian Wilkins but nice win rate.<br><br>-Strong numbers for D. Jones, Q. Williams <a href="https://t.co/rirqCg2RNG">pic.twitter.com/rirqCg2RNG</a></p>&mdash; Seth Walder (@SethWalder) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1585325803692326912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chris Jones is good at football

booger 10-26-2022 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16556161)
I still have hope on us swinging a trade for Sweat.

That guy would be an absolutely perfect fit across from Furious George.

That’d be bitchin


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