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RunKC 12-12-2024 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17854347)
I don't know what to even think about Pass Block Win Rate. If you look at those stats right now for the year you will see for interior lineman we have:

Thuney at #1 with only 6 pressures allowed 98% win rate
Creed at #3 with 11 pressures allowed 97% win rate
Trey at #17 with 18 pressures allowed 95% win rate

Then at tackle we have:

Taylor at #13 with 24 pressures allowed and 92% win rate

As a team we are 2nd (72%) in pass block win rate and 2nd (74%) in run block win rate.

So one bad spot on this offensive line has completely ****ed this offense to hell? Patrick Mahomes can't handle one weak link when supposedly the other 4 guys are some of the best at protecting him?

****ing Cincinnati has the 29th (52%) pass block win rate and Joe Burrow looks like an MVP.

So either the metric is flawed some way or something is wrong with what we are doing with the plays or something is wrong with Mahomes.
Probably need to account that LT has absolutely nuked games for us this year. Also helps that Burrow is throwing to Chase, Higgins and other solid weapons while Mahomes has had to have the offense continuously remade and reworked all season due to injuries.

O.city 12-12-2024 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17854347)
I don't know what to even think about Pass Block Win Rate. If you look at those stats right now for the year you will see for interior lineman we have:

Thuney at #1 with only 6 pressures allowed 98% win rate
Creed at #3 with 11 pressures allowed 97% win rate
Trey at #17 with 18 pressures allowed 95% win rate

Then at tackle we have:

Taylor at #13 with 24 pressures allowed and 92% win rate

As a team we are 2nd (72%) in pass block win rate and 2nd (74%) in run block win rate.

So one bad spot on this offensive line has completely ****ed this offense to hell? Patrick Mahomes can't handle one weak link when supposedly the other 4 guys are some of the best at protecting him?

****ing Cincinnati has the 29th (52%) pass block win rate and Joe Burrow looks like an MVP.

So either the metric is flawed some way or something is wrong with what we are doing with the plays or something is wrong with Mahomes.
Yeah.....the LT has ****ed the offense to tears.

And we can't talk about the QB playing mediocre for reasons.

DRM08 12-12-2024 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17854265)
Did he?

Because I think if he'd have gone to bat for OBJ, he'd be here. If your franchise QB tells the coach -- "Hey, I really trust that he has my blind side covered out there and would like us to keep him..." we're gonna do that rather than go into FA and sign Taylor who MIGHT be a LT convert (and ultimately wasn't).

I think part of the reason they changed the nature of what they looked for at OT was BECAUSE Mahomes didn't entirely trust him. He got a little spoiled by Fisher and Schwartz.
Trusted Orlando enough to win regular season MVP in 2022. Mahomes does not seem very pushy when it comes to telling GM Veach & Coach Reid what to do. We just saw Joe Burrow publicly demanding that the Bengals sign both Tee Higgins & JaMarr Chase. I don't think Mahomes will ever do that. If he didn't do it with Tyreek Hill, he won't do it with others.

O.city 12-12-2024 01:49 PM
Wasn't there talk behind the scenes that Mahomes had told Tyreek they'd keep him around?

I don't think you want your Qb involved in personnel decisions anyway.

FloridaMan88 12-12-2024 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17854275)
I'm just not seeing a way they fix the LT spot with someone everyone is gonna be happy with.

Unless for some reason Rashawn Slater gets away from the Bolts in a year or two.
The analogy is not exactly 100% aligned, but it may require a replication of the Chiefs strategy when they decided to trade up to draft Mahomes.

Trading up into the top 10 to get their guy, if there is a left tackle prospect they view as elite.

Of course trading from maybe 32nd overall to the top 10 is a bigger hurdle than trading from #27 to #10 as they did for Mahomes, and trading up for a QB vs a Left Tackle can be questioned in terms of value as well.

But if the Chiefs view Will Campbell as an elite LT who can finally lockdown and secure Mahomes' blind side for the remainder of his career... seems like a trade up worth looking at.

crispystl 12-12-2024 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17854371)
I don't think Mahomes will ever do that. If he didn't do it with Tyreek Hill, he won't do it with others.
I wonder if Mahomes was ok with letting Tyreek walk though? It seemed like Tyreek would get a little selfish at times and Patrick only cares about winning, so I could see him getting annoyed with that shit and signing off on the Hill trade.

O.city 12-12-2024 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17854384)
The analogy is not exactly 100% aligned, but it may require a replication of the Chiefs strategy when they decided to trade up to draft Mahomes.

Trading up into the top 10 to get their guy, if there is a left tackle prospect they view as elite.

Of course trading from maybe 32nd overall to the top 10 is a bigger hurdle than trading from #27 to #10 as they did for Mahomes, and trading up for a QB vs a Left Tackle can be questioned in terms of value as well.

But if the Chiefs view Will Campbell as an elite LT who can finally lockdown and secure Mahomes' blind side for the remainder of his career... seems like a trade up worth looking at.
I'm not trading up that far for anything but a QB I don't think.

To many other ways to get atleast servicable at LT.

JPH83 12-12-2024 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17854391)
I'm not trading up that far for anything but a QB I don't think.

To many other ways to get atleast servicable at LT.
Agree in principle, but I'm not sure serviceable at LT is that easily attained, at the risk of making DJ's point for him. Next year the FA options aren't great outside of Ronnie Stanley. The year after is great, but we'll have Creed and Taylor on whopping contracts, and then we're back to some really thin years.

If we go through the draft and roll the dice on another project that doesn't work out, I mean how many years do we want to keep this going before we commit to a blue-chip? I guess when we stop winning SBs is the obvious answer.

Mecca 12-12-2024 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17854384)
The analogy is not exactly 100% aligned, but it may require a replication of the Chiefs strategy when they decided to trade up to draft Mahomes.

Trading up into the top 10 to get their guy, if there is a left tackle prospect they view as elite.

Of course trading from maybe 32nd overall to the top 10 is a bigger hurdle than trading from #27 to #10 as they did for Mahomes, and trading up for a QB vs a Left Tackle can be questioned in terms of value as well.

But if the Chiefs view Will Campbell as an elite LT who can finally lockdown and secure Mahomes' blind side for the remainder of his career... seems like a trade up worth looking at.
There ain't no way after this year the Chiefs are going to require another really high end draft that puts multiple starters on the field early on.

Chiefspants 12-12-2024 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 17854387)
I wonder if Mahomes was ok with letting Tyreek walk though? It seemed like Tyreek would get a little selfish at times and Patrick only cares about winning, so I could see him getting annoyed with that shit and signing off on the Hill trade.
If Bobby Stroupe is Mahomes mouthpiece as many think he is, then there was clearly some locker room issues with Reek in his last season in KC (as some of us speculated with his vague instagram stories).

But with Andy being Andy, that shit stayed on lockdown.

DRM08 12-12-2024 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 17854387)
I wonder if Mahomes was ok with letting Tyreek walk though? It seemed like Tyreek would get a little selfish at times and Patrick only cares about winning, so I could see him getting annoyed with that shit and signing off on the Hill trade.
Potentially the case. Tyreek is a high drama guy.

dlphg9 12-12-2024 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17854356)
Probably need to account that LT has absolutely nuked games for us this year. Also helps that Burrow is throwing to Chase, Higgins and other solid weapons while Mahomes has had to have the offense continuously remade and reworked all season due to injuries.
I mean yeah Kingsley had 2 atrocious games again the Bengals and against the Broncos and Morris had an atrocious game against the Raiders, but those are the only games you could say that he had a turnstile at LT. You're telling me that's enough to ruin the best QB ever?

Or maybe ESPN PBWR is flawed. Hell it's updated through week 14 and has Jawaan Taylor as having only 332 total pass block plays. Mahomes has 464 pass attempts and 50 rushes (pretty much all of those were probably pass plays). So he's dropped back 514 times, but Taylor has only blocked on 65% of those passes?

It doesn't make much sense.

Bump 12-12-2024 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17854384)
The analogy is not exactly 100% aligned, but it may require a replication of the Chiefs strategy when they decided to trade up to draft Mahomes.

Trading up into the top 10 to get their guy, if there is a left tackle prospect they view as elite.

Of course trading from maybe 32nd overall to the top 10 is a bigger hurdle than trading from #27 to #10 as they did for Mahomes, and trading up for a QB vs a Left Tackle can be questioned in terms of value as well.

But if the Chiefs view Will Campbell as an elite LT who can finally lockdown and secure Mahomes' blind side for the remainder of his career... seems like a trade up worth looking at.
hard to see that happening. They did it for Mahomes because they knew Mahomes was going to be the GOAT. Maybe if they thought there was a legit Willie Roaf but I doubt they would do that for anything but a QB. There are still decent/good LT's taken at the end of the 1st and 2nd round, Veach just needs to hit on one.

BigRedChief 12-12-2024 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17854370)

And we can't talk about the QB playing mediocre for reasons.
and you know why? Because he’s the best QB who ever lived and his side hustle is crushing opposing players and their fans dreams late in games.

suzzer99 12-12-2024 07:17 PM
Wylie bounced back and forth between guard and tackle and still turned into a serviceable RT.


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