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Cephalic Trauma 02-07-2014 12:40 PM

Small quantities of milk with the added sugar and large quantities of beer once every two weeks are my pitfalls. But, it has still worked for me quite well.

jiveturkey 02-12-2014 12:21 PM

This seemed like a good place for this. I consider this the dietary thread now.

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The modern diet is the main reason why people all over the world are fatter and sicker than ever before. Everywhere modern processed foods go, chronic diseases like obesity, type 2 diabetes and heart disease soon follow.
The studies are clear on this... when people abandon their traditional foods in favor of modern processed foods high in sugar, refined flour and vegetable oils, they get sick (1, 2, 3). Of course, there are many things that can contribute to these health problems, but changes in the diet are the most important factor.

Here are 11 graphs that show everything that is wrong with the modern diet.

1. Total Sugar Intake Has Skyrocketed in The Past 160 Years

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People in Western countries are consuming massive amounts of refined sugars, reaching about 150 lbs (67 kg) per year in some countries. This amounts to over 500calories of sugar per day.
The sources vary on the exact figures, but it is very clear that we are consuming way more sugar than our bodies are equipped to handle (4). Controlled human studies show that large amounts of sugar can lead to severe metabolic problems, including insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, elevated cholesterol and triglycerides — to name a few (5, 6).

Added sugar is believed to be one of the main drivers of diseases like obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease and even cancer (7, 8, 9, 10).

2. Consumption of Soda and Fruit Juice Has Increased Dramatically

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Of all the sugar sources in the diet, sugar-sweetened beverages are the worst. Fruit juice is actually no better... it contains a similar amount of sugar as most soft drinks (11).
Getting sugar in liquid form is particularly harmful. The studies show that the brain doesn't "register" liquid sugar calories the in the same way as calories from solid foods, which dramatically increases total calorie intake (12, 13). One study found that in children, each daily serving of sugar-sweetened beverages is linked to a 60% increased risk of obesity (14)..

3. Calorie Intake Has Gone up by Around 400 Calories Per Day

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Although sources vary on the exact figures, it is clear that calorie intake has increased dramatically in the past few decades (15).
There are many complicated reasons for this, including increased processed food and sugar consumption, increased food availability, more aggressive marketing towards children, etc (16).

4. People Have Abandoned Traditional Fats in Favor of Processed Vegetable Oils

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When health professionals started blaming saturated fat for heart disease, people abandoned traditional fats like butter, lard and coconut oil in favor of processed vegetable oils.
These oils are very high in Omega-6 fatty acids, which can contribute to inflammation and various problems when consumed in excess (17, 18). These oils are often hydrogenated, which makes them high in trans fats. Many studies have shown that these fats and oils actually increase the risk of heart disease, even if they aren't hydrogenated (19, 20, 21).

Therefore, the misguided advice to avoid saturated fat and choose vegetable oils instead may have actually fueled the heart disease epidemic.

5. People Replaced Heart-Healthy Butter With Trans-Fat Laden Margarine

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Another side effect of the "war" on saturated fat was an increase in margarine consumption.
Margarine was traditionally made with hydrogenated oils, which are high in trans fats. Many studies show that trans fats increase the risk of heart disease (22, 23).

Grass-fed butter actually contains nutrients that are protective against heart disease (like Vitamin K2), therefore the advice to replace heart-healthy butter with trans-fat laden margarine may have done a lot of damage (24).

6. Soybean Oil Has Become a Major Source of Calories

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The most commonly consumed vegetable oil in the U.S. is soybean oil. Soybean oil actually provided 7% of calories in the U.S. diet in the year 1999, which is huge (25)!
However, most people don't have a clue they're eating this much soybean oil. They're actually getting most of it from processed foods, which often have soybean oil added to them because it is cheap. The best way to avoid soybean oil (and other nasty ingredients) is to avoid processed foods.

7. Modern Wheat is Less Nutritious Than Older Varieties of Wheat

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Wheat is a major part of the Western diet. It is found in all sorts of foods... breads, pastas, pastries, pizzas and various processed products.
However... wheat has changed in the past few decades.

Modern dwarf wheat was introduced around the year 1960, which contains 19-28% less of important minerals like Magnesium, Iron, Zinc and Copper. There is also evidence that modern wheat is much more harmful to celiac patients and people with gluten sensitivity, compared to older breeds like Einkorn wheat (26,27, 28).

Whereas wheat may have been relatively healthy back in the day, the same is not true of modern dwarf wheat.

8. Egg Consumption Has Gone Down

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Eggs are among the most nutritious foods on the planet. Despite being high in cholesterol, eggs don't raise the bad cholesterol in the blood (29).
For some reason, the health authorities have recommended that we cut back on eggs, even though there is no evidence that they contribute to heart disease (30). Since the year 1950, we have decreased our consumption of this highly nutritious food from 375 to 250 eggs per year, a decrease of 33%.

This has contributed to a deficiency in important nutrients like Choline, which about 90% of Americans aren't getting enough of (31).

9. People Are Eating More Processed Foods Than Ever Before

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This graph shows how consumption of fast foods has increased in the past few decades.
Keep in mind that even though it looks like people are still eating most of their foods "at home&" — this does not take into account the fact that most people are also eating processed, pre-packaged foods at home.

10. The Increased Vegetable Oil Consumption Has Changed The Fatty Acid Composition of Our Bodies


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Most of the Omega-6 fats that people are eating is a fatty acid called linoleic acid.
Studies show that this fatty acid actually gets incorporated into our cell membranes and body fat stores. These fats are prone to oxidation, which damages molecules (like DNA) in the body and may be increasing our risk of cancer (32, 33, 34, 35, 36).

In other words, the increased consumption of processed vegetable oils has lead to actual harmful structural changes in our bodies. That's a scary thought.

11. The Low-Fat Dietary Guidelines Were Published Around The Same Time The Obesity Epidemic Started

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The first dietary guidelines for Americans were published in the year 1977, almost at the exact same time the obesity epidemic started. Of course, this doesn't prove anything (correlation does not equal causation), but it makes sense that this could be more than just a mere coincidence.
The anti-fat message essentially put the blame on saturated fat and cholesterol (harmless), while giving sugar and refined carbs (very unhealthy) a free pass.

Since the guidelines were published, many massive studies have been conducted on the low-fat diet. It is no better at preventing heart disease, obesity or cancer than the standard Western diet, which is as unhealthy as a diet can get (37, 38, 39, 40).

For some very strange reason, we are still being advised to follow this type of diet, despite the studies showing it to be completely ineffective.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-12-2014 01:53 PM

Just ate some haribo gummy bears

Buck 02-12-2014 02:24 PM

Great post jiveturkey, people treat fat like a 4 letter word.

Mr. Laz 03-25-2014 12:34 PM

Surgeon: Why I’ve ditched statins for good after quitting sugar and eating more animal fat
Published on March 25, 2014,

The Telegraph has a fascinating article from a vascular surgeon who takes issue with the latest recommendations that statins should be given to more people to prevent heart disease and stroke and says he feels better without them after giving up sugar and eating more animal fats…

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...s_2860668a.jpg
Why I’ve ditched statins for good

The only major changes I’d made to my lifestyle since coming off statins were eliminating sugar (including alcohol and starchy foods such as bread) and eating more animal fat. Many experts now believe that sugar is emerging as a true villain in the heart-disease story; while after decades of demonisation, saturated fat has been acquitted of causing heart disease by a recent “meta” analysis of 70 studies by Cambridge University. Typically, I was eating red meat three or four times a week and enjoying butter, full-fat milk and plenty of eggs. You would have thought that after three months on a diet so high in saturated fat, my cholesterol would have shot back up to pre-statin levels – but no, it came down and has stayed down seven months on.

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 12:38 PM

The problem was always people eating massive amounts of sugar and white starch WITH red meat.

It really wasn't the burgers. It was the fries and cokes. And potato chips. And General Mills shoving shit cereals down everyone's throats.

BigMeatballDave 03-25-2014 12:41 PM

That actually makes some sense.

My dad, who turns 74 in June, has the heart of a 30 yr old.

He's always eating meat. All his life and rarely consumes sugary foods.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10515691)
Many experts now believe that sugar is emerging as a true villain in the heart-disease story

Some people knew this 30 years ago.

RIP, Dr. Atkins.

Rausch 03-25-2014 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10515703)
The problem was always people eating massive amounts of sugar and white starch WITH red meat.

It really wasn't the burgers. It was the fries and cokes. And potato chips. And General Mills shoving shit cereals down everyone's throats.

The problem is high carb/high sugar food is cheap.

Fast food, TV dinners, frozen meals, etc.

Now the prices of meat are going up as well...

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10515769)
The problem is high carb/high sugar food is cheap.

I can get SIX POUNDS of frozen chicken breasts for $10.

People are dumb.

George Liquor 03-25-2014 01:05 PM

Man... I had my first Dr. Pepper all year on Saturday, I feel like a meth head that fell off the wagon. It was so delicious.

I've pretty much cut out the junk food/fast food from my life minus a handful of blue jolly ranchers a week.

Rausch 03-25-2014 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10515781)
I can get SIX POUNDS of frozen chicken breasts for $10.

People are dumb.

Right now as I type this we're preparing chicken tacos. I put an entire bag (6 boneless/skinless breasts) in a crock pot. Cooked them.

By the time I was done shredding them it filled one cereal bowl.

They're infused with water and shrink to about half the size after cooking...

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10515781)
I can get SIX POUNDS of frozen chicken breasts for $10.

People are dumb.

Those frozen chicken breasts contain all kinds of additives.

Processed is processed. Processed meat isn't good for you just because it isn't loaded with carbs...

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515804)
Those frozen chicken breasts contain all kinds of additives.

Processed is processed. Processed meat isn't good for you just because it isn't loaded with carbs...

LMAO

Gimme a ****ing break.

It's certainly not going to kill you, and it won't make you fat.

Silock 03-25-2014 01:10 PM

Not always.

Also, you cannot get away from "additives." Just because something has additives doesn't make it bad.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 10515809)
Not always.

Also, you cannot get away from "additives." Just because something has additives doesn't make it bad.

I buy my chickens locally. I know exactly what they've been fed and what has been injected into them.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10515806)
LMAO

Gimme a ****ing break.

It's certainly not going to kill you, and it won't make you fat.

You don't think arsenic is going to kill you? ROFL

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515819)
You don't think arsenic is going to kill you? ROFL

So far so good.

Buck 03-25-2014 01:19 PM

Arsenic > Sugar

Just trolling, but so are you.

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:21 PM

I'm not trolling. I eat a shit load of frozen chicken breasts. I'm in the best shape of my ****ing life.

If I die, I die.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iXw5X8Fui9...ivan-drago.jpg

Silock 03-25-2014 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515819)
You don't think arsenic is going to kill you? ROFL

Please show me all the arsenic-induced fatalities from chicken breast.

I'll hang up and listen.

Buck 03-25-2014 01:23 PM

I was saying the other guy was trolling. I got stacks of chicken on deck playa!

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10515841)
I was saying the other guy was trolling. I got stacks of chicken on deck playa!

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htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:25 PM

ROFL

I'm trolling.

All you health nuts are eating store-bought chicken. ROFL

Buck 03-25-2014 01:26 PM

Better than store-bought sugar-filled bullshit.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 10515840)
Please show me all the arsenic-induced fatalities from chicken breast.

I'll hang up and listen.

Fatalities?

How about the people with thyroid issues due to ingestion of injectable hormones?

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10515849)
Better than store-bought sugar-filled bullshit.

Of course, where did I say anything to the contrary?

If you're going to go to the trouble to eliminate processed foods, don't you think it would be wise to...oh, I don't know...ELIMINATE PROCESSED FOODS? ROFL

EDIT: This conversation started with Clay suggesting he could buy 6 pounds of chicken breast for $10. At that price, it's likely what he's buying isn't even ****ing chicken! :D

Silock 03-25-2014 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515850)
Fatalities?

How about the people with thyroid issues due to ingestion of injectable hormones?

This isn't what I asked. You specifically mentioned arsenic killing you.

I'm simply asking for some proof of people dying from arsenic poisoning because they ate too much frozen chicken breast.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 10515857)
This isn't what I asked. You specifically mentioned arsenic killing you.

I'm simply asking for some proof of people dying from arsenic poisoning because they ate too much frozen chicken breast.

I didn't say anything about people dying.

Silock 03-25-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515864)
I didn't say anything about people dying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515819)
You don't think arsenic is going to kill you? ROFL

/shrug

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 10515877)
/shrug

Follow the entire conversation.

It's me and go chiefs ****ing with each other...

Rausch 03-25-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515844)
ROFL

I'm trolling.

All you health nuts are eating store-bought chicken. ROFL

The fact is most people can't afford to "eat healthy" unless they have their own land and a micro-farm of their own.

A small garden is great and really rewarding. Meat though is nearly impossible. You need a lot of space and in many places you can't have animals in city limits...

Just Passin' By 03-25-2014 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10515894)
The fact is most people can't afford to "eat healthy" unless they have their own land and a micro-farm of their own.

A small garden is great and really rewarding. Meat though is nearly impossible. You need a lot of space and in many places you can't have animals in city limits...

Start eating people. They're everywhere, the meat's free, you can practice your hunting and stalking skills, and most of them won't be missed. :thumb:

listopencil 03-25-2014 01:43 PM

What a bunch of pussies. "Boo hoo. I don't want to eat arsenic. It might kill me." Jesus, man the **** up. When your time comes you're gone anyway. **** it.

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515844)
All you health nuts are eating store-bought chicken. ROFL

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htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10515894)
The fact is most people can't afford to "eat healthy" unless they have their own land and a micro-farm of their own.

A small garden is great and really rewarding. Meat though is nearly impossible. You need a lot of space and in many places you can't have animals in city limits...

Yeah, I know.

It's one of the few benefits of living out here in the boonies. I have a constant supply of chicken, beef, and pork straight from the local farm with a minimum of processing.

Silock 03-25-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515885)
Follow the entire conversation.

It's me and go chiefs ****ing with each other...

/shrug

Just sayin'

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10515915)
What a bunch of pussies. "Boo hoo. I don't want to eat arsenic. It might kill me." Jesus, man the **** up. When your time comes you're gone anyway. **** it.

Is that why you quit smoking?

:D

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515852)
Of course, where did I say anything to the contrary?

If you're going to go to the trouble to eliminate processed foods, don't you think it would be wise to...oh, I don't know...ELIMINATE PROCESSED FOODS? ROFL

EDIT: This conversation started with Clay suggesting he could buy 6 pounds of chicken breast for $10. At that price, it's likely what he's buying isn't even ****ing chicken! :D

LOOKS LIKE CHICKEN TO ME BRO

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/daily-c...prod4070502.ip

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htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10515926)

That's just ****ing gross, dude.

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515927)
That's just ****ing gross, dude.

ROFL

Season and bake at 350 for 25 minutes.

****ING DELICIOUS MATE

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10515930)
ROFL

Season and bake at 350 for 25 minutes.

****ING DELICIOUS MATE

LMAO

Just Passin' By 03-25-2014 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10515926)


15% of that is so-called chicken broth.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10515933)
15% of that is so-called chicken broth.

It contains rib meat.

And rat feces...

Just Passin' By 03-25-2014 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515937)
It contains rib meat.

And rat feces...

They don't like to use "rat feces". They prefer to call it seasoning.

Bowser 03-25-2014 01:52 PM

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htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10515941)
They don't like to use "rat feces". They prefer to call it seasoning.

All joking aside, one of my buddies used to work at a Jimmy Dean processing plant where they made breakfast sausage.

A dude seriously dropped his watch in the grinder and they never shut it off. They made breakfast sausage with ground up Timex in it.

Bowser 03-25-2014 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515949)
All joking aside, one of my buddies used to work at a Jimmy Dean processing plant where they made breakfast sausage.

A dude seriously dropped his watch in the grinder and they never shut it off. They made breakfast sausage with ground up Timex in it.

In my travels for work, I've been by the Tyson plant in Emporia, KS. I have yet to smell a worse smell, especially in the summertime. Christ.

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:57 PM

There's always been a little shit in the meat.

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515937)
It contains rib meat.

And rat feces...

I said they were seasoned...

htismaqe 03-25-2014 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10515962)
In my travels for work, I've been by the Tyson plant in Emporia, KS. I have yet to smell a worse smell, especially in the summertime. Christ.

I've been IN the Tyson plant in Sioux City (it's actually in Nebraska I believe, but in the SXC "metro"). It's unbelievable. Of course you can't smell it from the interstate because all you can smell is the John Morrell plant on the east side of the road...

BigMeatballDave 03-25-2014 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10515962)
In my travels for work, I've been by the Tyson plant in Emporia, KS. I have yet to smell a worse smell, especially in the summertime. Christ.

Yep. Other Tyson plants and Cargill smell the same.

Cattle shit and other stuff.

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 02:32 PM

Bought a big old rump roast from Hyvee. Gonna go marinate that shit in arsenic and spices.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10516094)
Bought a big old rump roast from Hyvee. Gonna go marinate that shit in arsenic and spices.

Hy Vee sometimes has really good meat. Far cry from that mystery meat you're buying at Sam's Club...

htismaqe 03-25-2014 02:34 PM

Also, I've heard antifreeze makes an excellent finishing sauce...

BigMeatballDave 03-25-2014 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10516098)
Hy Vee sometimes has really good meat. Far cry from that mystery meat you're buying at Sam's Club...

In my experience, all these large chain grocers purchase from Tyson, Cargill, National Beef, etc.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCD (Post 10516109)
In my experience, all these large chain grocers purchase from Tyson, Cargill, National Beef, etc.

Hy Vee (and Dahl's here) sometimes purchase via select processors in the midwest. They usually offer it at a premium price or via special promotion though.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-25-2014 05:25 PM

Not a fan at all of frozen chicken...gross

listopencil 03-25-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10515923)
Is that why you quit smoking?

:D

I add arsenic to my e-fluid. I like the flavor and it gives me more lung hit.

htismaqe 03-25-2014 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10516639)
I add arsenic to my e-fluid. I like the flavor and it gives me more lung hit.

Lately I've been snorting it. Killer head rush.

chiefzilla1501 03-25-2014 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10515903)
Start eating people. They're everywhere, the meat's free, you can practice your hunting and stalking skills, and most of them won't be missed. :thumb:

Found a girl for you
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/31/3149...7d18168dbc.jpg

vailpass 03-25-2014 07:34 PM

Does this include booger sugar?

Hammock Parties 03-25-2014 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10516098)
Hy Vee sometimes has really good meat. Far cry from that mystery meat you're buying at Sam's Club...

It's ****ing chicken, man. Pretty close to any chicken I've ever had before. It's certainly not pink slime ala McDonalds.

DenverChief 03-25-2014 08:51 PM

Sugar is in ever goddammned thing - talk about hard to avoid

listopencil 03-25-2014 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10516667)
Lately I've been snorting it. Killer head rush.

I wonder if anybody makes an e-syringe so I can mainline arsenic with the cool kids?

ShortRoundChief 03-25-2014 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 10516636)
Not a fan at all of frozen chicken...gross

Might I suggest you thaw and then cook it?

It might have a drastic effect on the taste and texture.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-25-2014 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Bull (Post 10517182)
Might I suggest you thaw and then cook it?

It might have a drastic effect on the taste and texture.

Fresh is where it is at

htismaqe 03-26-2014 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10517123)
It's ****ing chicken, man. Pretty close to any chicken I've ever had before. It's certainly not pink slime ala McDonalds.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 10517139)
I wonder if anybody makes an e-syringe so I can mainline arsenic with the cool kids?

Have you tried vaping it?

Cephalic Trauma 03-26-2014 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10515691)
Surgeon: Why I’ve ditched statins for good after quitting sugar and eating more animal fat
Published on March 25, 2014,

The Telegraph has a fascinating article from a vascular surgeon who takes issue with the latest recommendations that statins should be given to more people to prevent heart disease and stroke and says he feels better without them after giving up sugar and eating more animal fats…

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...s_2860668a.jpg
Why I’ve ditched statins for good

The only major changes I’d made to my lifestyle since coming off statins were eliminating sugar (including alcohol and starchy foods such as bread) and eating more animal fat. Many experts now believe that sugar is emerging as a true villain in the heart-disease story; while after decades of demonisation, saturated fat has been acquitted of causing heart disease by a recent “meta” analysis of 70 studies by Cambridge University. Typically, I was eating red meat three or four times a week and enjoying butter, full-fat milk and plenty of eggs. You would have thought that after three months on a diet so high in saturated fat, my cholesterol would have shot back up to pre-statin levels – but no, it came down and has stayed down seven months on.

Here's my problem with this article- Statins have been shown to stabilize plaques, thus they will be less likely to rupture and cause full obstruction of a coronary vessel. Now, I'm going to give this guy credit he is due because he is a vascular surgeon, so I'm assuming he has good reasoning for this, but he is flying in the face of current recommendations. Being that MI is preceded by the rupture and subsequent inflammatory+thrombotic events that occur, statins are definitely indicated in high cholesterol for more reasons than just lowering your "bad" cholesterol.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10517772)
Here's my problem with this article- Statins have been shown to stabilize plaques, thus they will be less likely to rupture and cause full obstruction of a coronary vessel. Now, I'm going to give this guy credit he is due because he is a vascular surgeon, so I'm assuming he has good reasoning for this, but he is flying in the face of current recommendations. Being that MI is preceded by the rupture and subsequent inflammatory+thrombotic events that occur, statins are definitely indicated in high cholesterol for more reasons than just lowering your "bad" cholesterol.

Statins certainly CAN provide benefits above and beyond lowering bad cholesterol.

Like most other medications though, they're being used profusely instead of sparingly. They're being handed out like candy anytime someones LDL level approaches the warning zone.

Cephalic Trauma 03-26-2014 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10517794)
Statins certainly CAN provide benefits above and beyond lowering bad cholesterol.

Like most other medications though, they're being used profusely instead of sparingly. They're being handed out like candy anytime someones LDL level approaches the warning zone.

Moderately high LDL level, but most importantly family history of acute cardiac events, etc. indicates a statin. They are being prescribed more often because of the well-known published effects on plaque stabilization in an effort to decrease the incidence of acute cardiac events and stroke.

Some prescriptions are controversial, but this one is certainly not. They drilled this into us when we learned about it.

Cephalic Trauma 03-26-2014 10:05 AM

However, in the case of just being in the warning zone, without the family history or past history of acute MI, diet modification is indicated. So you aren't wrong, here.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 10517835)
However, in the case of just being in the warning zone, without the family history or past history of acute MI, diet modification is indicated. So you aren't wrong, here.

You're not wrong either.

The doctor's office, anymore, is literally 5 minutes.

"Hmmm...ok, I see...here, take this pill"

Cephalic Trauma 03-26-2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10517843)
You're not wrong either.

The doctor's office, anymore, is literally 5 minutes.

"Hmmm...ok, I see...here, take this pill"

In the age of webmd and internet medical gurus, yes, it may seem that way.

Our understanding is this:
If you have a family history of MI or stroke, that indicates to us that you have a genetic susceptibility to form plaques. In the absence of family history, we can be much more conservative because they are the lucky ones who tend to form fatty streaks instead of plaques. So we treat in the context of family history and past MI because those are two most important risk factors.

And, I would venture to say that the pills prescribed by physicians, on the whole, do much more good than harm. It's a risk:benefit thing, and we have to consider what will benefit the patient. Given that we see the same problem frequently with slight variation, it may seem that no thought goes into our practices.

WhiteWhale 03-26-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10517123)
It's ****ing chicken, man. Pretty close to any chicken I've ever had before. It's certainly not pink slime ala McDonalds.

Pink Slime is in all ground chuck at your grocery store.

Hammock Parties 03-26-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 10518193)
Pink Slime is in all ground chuck at your grocery store.

I don't eat ground chuck. Only high quality frozen chicken.

htismaqe 03-26-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Douche Baggins (Post 10518209)
I don't eat ground chuck. Only high quality frozen chicken.

ROFL

BIG_DADDY 03-26-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10517531)
You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

It never ceases to amaze me how people cannot know how much of the food supply is contaminated. You have to source everything these days. They are going to loosen the restrictions on organic standards so the big boys can get in easier now. Every regulatory body we have that is supposed to be protecting us is selling us out when it comes to food, drugs and medical in general in this country.

Hammock Parties 03-26-2014 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 10518232)
It never ceases to amaze me how people cannot know how much of the food supply is contaminated. You have to source everything these days. They are going to loosen the restrictions on organic standards so the big boys can get in easier now. Every regulatory body we have that is supposed to be protecting us is selling us out when it comes to food, drugs and medical in general in this country.

And yet, I keep eating supposed diseased and feces-ridden meat, and I'm healthy as a horse. Haven't been to a doctor in years. I NEVER get sick.

Maybe eating all that crap has strengthened my immune system.

PERHAPS I AM A GOD.

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