Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP 17m
Hartline says Incognito feels betrayed by Martin for leaking the voicemail.


Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP 16m
Hartline is outraged because he says Martin was passing the voicemail around earlier in the year and laughing about it.

Yeah, hey can play but how long did he last at any one team he has been on.

He is a guard, he is not AP or JC.

Do you really think Miami is enjoying this BS.

The dude has repeatedly taken cheap shots against his own team mates in practice.

Just the kinda of person every winning organization wants.

He does have a history
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...shman/3439819/

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-ram...o-and-the-rams

It's all Nancy Grace up in here. What a ****ed up situation.

OK, skepticism is fine, but you can't completely dismiss their words and have any degree of certainty.

I've noticed that you have a long track record of coming down hard on bullies and that's fine, but don't let your anti-bully sentiments cause you to jump to black and white conclusions. There's a lot of potential for this to turn out to be a circus of unsympathetic characters of varying degress on both sides.

Why not? What does Tannehill have to gain by speaking out or Tyson Clabo for that matter? All evidence should be taken at face value.

Players and management sticking up for a player (especially the starting QB) when that player is playing poorly has nothing in common with this situation.

Because the MD are circling the wagons.

So here's my only question. Say Martin was laughing about this before and he and Incognito are/were good friends.

Why bring this up? What does Martin have to gain from this? Is it because they traded for McKinnie? Is he bi-polar? Did he have a mental breakdown and this was all he could come up with to explain it?

"MD" = Medical Doctors?

Wow, this goes deep. Anyone have an email address for Wikileaks?

Associated Press?
Jackie Chan?

WTF are you talking about?

Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 10m
Randy Starks on why they're speaking up after initially being told not to talk: We want to clear Richie's name

Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 4m
John Jerry said the prank that set off Martin was done to everyone on o-line and they always had a good laugh about it.

Seems like more bullying to keep him from ever returning. They don't like him, for whatever reason. That's my take.

Ross Tucker ‏@RossTuckerNFL 23s
Based on these Dolphin player quotes Philbin better be careful he doesn't lose team for suspending Incognito

LOL. Lose the team? LOL. It's lost buddy. LOOOOOOOST a long time ago. Stupid tweet.

EDIT: Aimed at whoever Ross Tucker is.

Uh oh! The witch hunt for the big bad meanie might be going the wrong way!

He was a starting OT. Tannehill isn't going to speak up in an attempt to keep him away. This whole thing is starting to smell fishy and I'm beginning to wonder if Martin doesn't have some kind of mental disorder. This doesn't excuse Incognito's actions, but I'm not sure this is as one sided as it initially appeared.

hahah all the players sticking up for Ritchie

The XP on the QPC with the OG and the BG disagree.

Yeah you should call them. ROFL

All I'm saying that Richie Incognito has been kicked off every team he has played on since College.

I personally think that the Miami Dolphins Coaching staff asked Richie Incognito to toughen up Johnath Martin and Richie Incognito is being scape goated.

I think it has everything to do with this. Think about it

Martin came from a wealthy family, private school was definitely the biggest and best player on his high school team where he was the guy, was highly recruited by one of the best education systems in the country.

Then there got to block for the best QB in the nation in Andrew Luck, played with guys like Fleener and Sherman. He was literally the MAN blocking for the best QB. Highly scouted and drafted. Groomed in his first year and kept in line by Jake Long, then Long leaves and the team gives him the keys to be the LT and block for their franchise QB in one offseason.

guys like Icognito take him under their wing all offseason. Seasons starts and the dude pisses away his opportunity, gets his QB killed every game, feels the heat from fans, media, coaches. Then he does so bad the team moves him to the right side and eventually benches him after they trade for 100 year old Bryant McKinne and would rather play Tyson Clabo who is terrible.

The dude probably never had to face any adversity like being benched for a bunch of aging veterans off the scrap heap. I dont know if he has an ego or not, but that team gave him something with no competition, he was terrible, then they took it away. And that could be the driving force, he basically quit on the team, and took the team down with him by airing out in house stuff.

He's always been the guy, beating inferior talent by his size. In the NFL where guys are bigger and faster he can't just get by on natural talent, and his ego (if he has one) or having everything given to him may be a factor in this.

Absolutely no organizational control here whatsoever. This whole situation is a complete dumpster fire for Miami.

The more these players speak up, the more it sounds like Martin is being a little bitch.

Guys give each other a hard time. We talk shit to each other, we make fun of each other, all in the name of a good laugh. I've never had a friend get all bent out of shape just because i called him a cocksucking bundle of sticks. I've never taken it personal when my friends give me a hard time either.

It's starting to sound like a case of guys being guys and Martin being a girl.

Coupled with the numerous pre-draft reports about him being "soft", it makes sense.

Some guys just aren't cut out for the NFL. Hell, if i were a pro ball player and i was stinking it up, i'd imagine i'd have a hard time dealing with all the negative press too. City is mad at you. Coaches are mad at you. You're mad at yourself....coupled with players razing you.....it's easy to imagine him wiggin' out.

ROFL

Starting to sound like a lover's spat (nttiawwt) ...



Ryan Tannehill says Incognito and Martin were best friends

Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill is mystified by the suspension of Richie Incognito and the departure of Jonathan Martin, because as far as Tannehill knew, the two were best friends.

Asked today about reports that Incognito bullied, harassed and threatened Martin to the point where Martin felt he had to leave the team, Tannehill said that to the contrary, he always was under the impression that Martin and Incognito were like brothers.

“I think if you had asked Jon Martin a week before who his best friend on the team was, he would have said Richie Incognito,” Tannehill said. “The first guy to stand up for Jonathan when anything went down on the field, any kind of tussle, Richie was the first guy there. When we would hang on off the field, outside football, who was together? Richie and Jon. I’m not in those guys’ shoes, I can’t explain what’s going on.”
So if these two were allegedly best friends, why are there reports that Incognito left Martin a voicemail calling him the N-word and threatening to kill him? Tannehill says he doesn’t know.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-best-friends/

How many times are we going to see dumpster fire for Miami posted in this thread? Is it the new hip go to line or something?

Does the shoe fit?

I don't remember him getting benched for Clabo. Clabo is only starting BECAUSE Martin left.

Charles Woodson on NFL network is great, says Martin should've told Incognito to kiss his ass a long time ago.

That's not what Armando segura sp? Was just saying on espn
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Sounds like Martin preferred the helmet on the Dolphin.

Rock and role!

I thought after they demoted him from LT, then put him at RT in the NE game, he continued to get beat like a drum, Tannehil got sacked four times, they lost and were about to bench him before he up and left and this circus started.

Tannehill is the QB. His job is to be the voice of the team. The worse this gets, the bigger the distraction this becomes. Not to mention that he may like Philbin. Drew Brees and Scott Fujita are stand-up guys who strongly denied accusations that bounties were being placed. Dwayne Bowe was destroyed by the team when he gave up sensitive information about importing. I don't see any reason whatsoever why Tannehill would say anything bad about Incognito.

I don't think this is black and white. I've said that Martin is probably ****ed up in the head. I know there are two sides here. But I don't trust anything that comes out of the locker room. We've been in the Pioli era long enough to know that when shit like this happens, I can guarantee you every single player was media coached and given a specific set of talking points. Why do you think Philbin has been pretty much reading off prepared statements?

I don't really trust anybody's word. I don't trust Martin. I don't trust Incognito. But the text messages are factual evidence that something was going on. And there is too much smoke in inside sources here that reveals that this may have been even worse.

More like half n***** amirite?

:clap:

Even after 27 years of marriage and my trying to explain it to her numerous times my mrs still gets shocked when she hears us guys together busting balls.

Yeah, I don't think anyone disputes the fact that something is going on. I think the people who have been saying all along that there's more going on here than meets the eye have been right. And it's still probably true.

Do pictures count?

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Most bullies don't want to be stood up to. I was bullied when I was younger as I skipped 2nd grade so I was a year behind everyone growth wise and one of the smallest kids in class till I hit a big growth spurt and the weight room in 9th grade. When I started High School I may have weighed 100 pounds soaking wet with change in my pockets. I went in the weight room before school and a bunch of senior football players tied me up and hung me upside down from a squat rack. They left me alone in there, but I was able to free myself. I went back the very next day, they actually left me alone from then on. Fast forward by the start of junior year I was a solid 205 pounds and the strongest guy in the school, and was participating in boxing matches. I then went around and started protecting people from bullies. I found bullies to be some of the biggest cowards around when faced with some one who they think can whip their butts. I had some guys begging me on their knees in front of crowds not to hurt them seconds after I caught them picking on some small nerdy guy. Not everyone has the nerve to stand up to a bully or wants to fight, but hopefully someone puts the bully in his place. Bullying is grade school stuff and has no place anywhere especially amongst grown men.

This was all like 18 weeks ago?

Well, there's no excuse for permitting that behavior if they were. Martin should have taken it up the chain if he couldn't get it solved at his level.

I sympathize with the guy even though I have been critical of him somewhat in this thread. Continually getting emotional flack from people near you is a hard thing to deal with. It just seems like there are probably better ways to deal than throwing your lunch tray and walking away. No matter how much we all kind of want to do that some days.

So according to ESPN, if you're an "honorary black guy" it's ok to use the "N" word. Sweet, hope my coworkers are ready for this tomorrow.

I believe it is a Ferrari FF. However, the Ferrari F12 is a beast - The perfect sexy racecar.

The Ferrari FF reminds me of the story about Dubai police force fleet of supercars. This collection of police cars include Lamborghini Aventador ($550,000 each), Austin Martin one 77 ($1.5 mil each), Bentleys, Ferraris, Mercedes, Koenigsegg ($1.6 mil each), and my favorite – Bugatti Veyron ($2.6 mil each), the fastest streetcar in the world, among high-speed exotics.

Here is the funny part; the women police of Dubai drive the Ferrari FF. According to Dubai chief of police, if you want to live, you drive a Ferrari FF – If you want to die, you drive a Ferrari F12, Lamborghini Aventador, Koenigsegg, and Bugatti Veyron.

Incognito drives a Ferrari FF. Mr. tough guy...


Use your mouse to navigate the Ferrari F12berlinetta and Ferrari FF. Pick the color black. You can play around with the exterior and interior of the car.

Ferrari FF:
http://www.ferrari.com/english/gt_sp...ges/FF-cc.aspx

Ferrari F12berlinetta:
http://www.ferrari.com/english/gt_sp...inetta-cc.aspx

Just so you know, Dubai ('The City of Gold' or Bling) and Abu Dhabi is one of the world's most beautiful cities. It is a hot spot for millionaires, ex-pats and hence a hotbed of supercars.

Didn't sound like it was just the big goober white guy, sounded like practically half the team was f'ing with this guy, GM included. He bugged out of the miami facilities after a whole crew of people "joked" on him. Unless you have a white trash day laborer job with prison rules in effect I couldn't blame somebody for leaving that situation.

http://on.si.com/HC46JW story from former teammate
Someone paste please

Yeah, sounds like this was all bullshit from the beginning.

LMAO

He's doing an interview on Boomer and Carton right now on WFAN. Pretty interesting. Worth a listen if they post it on their site later.

Basically he's saying it's mostly on Martin and Martin was soft.

I don't use the word in my daily vernacular but if my goal was to piss off a black man, I could see me using it. Quietly. And if there weren't any other black people around.

I suppose it's a good thing I only piss off white men.

We should trust second hand media reports instead.

Lydon Murtha, who played for the Dolphins from 2009 to ’12, is adamant that Richie Incognito never bullied Jonathan Martin. (Cliff Welch/Icon SMI)
By Lydon Murtha

I don’t have a dog in this fight.

I want that to be very clear. I played offensive tackle for the Miami Dolphins from 2009 until the 2012 preseason, when I was released after tearing ligaments in my foot and injuring my back, both requiring surgery. I have since retired, and I’m happily working in the auto industry and living outside of Miami. I went to college at Nebraska with Richie Incognito, and I consider myself friends with him and Jonathan Martin, but I don’t speak with them regularly and I’m not taking sides. I’m only interested in the truth, which is what I’m going to share, from my own experiences and from conversations with friends still on the team.

Before I correct some of the misconceptions and outright lies being reported in the course of this story, let’s first establish who Martin and Incognito are as human beings and their relationship with one another.

From the beginning, when he was drafted in April 2012, Martin did not seem to want to be one of the group. He came off as standoffish and shy to the rest of the offensive linemen. He couldn’t look anyone in the eye, which was puzzling for a football player at this level on a team full of grown-ass men. We all asked the same question: Why won’t he be open with us? What’s with the wall being put up? I never really figured it out. He did something I’d never seen before by balking at the idea of paying for a rookie dinner, which is a meal for a position group paid for by rookies. (For example, I paid $9,600 for one my rookie year.) I don’t know if Martin ever ended up paying for one, as I was cut before seeing the outcome.

Martin was expected to play left tackle beside Incognito at guard from the start, so Incognito took him under his wing. They were close friends by all apperances. Martin had a tendency to tank when things would get difficult in practice, and Incognito would lift him up. He’d say, there’s always tomorrow. Richie has been more kind to Martin than any other player.

In other situations, when Martin wasn’t showing effort, Richie would give him a lot of crap. He was a leader on the team, and he would get in your face if you were unprepared or playing poorly. The crap he would give Martin was no more than he gave anyone else, including me. Other players said the same things Incognito said to Martin, so you’d need to suspend the whole team if you suspend Incognito.

Which brings me to my first point: I don’t believe Richie Incognito bullied Jonathan Martin. I never saw Martin singled out, excluded from anything, or treated any differently than the rest of us. We’d have dinners and the occasional night out, and everyone was invited. He was never told he can’t be a part of this. It was the exact opposite. But when he came out, he was very standoffish. That’s why the coaches told the leaders, bring him out of his shell. Figure him out a little bit.

That’s where Incognito ran into a problem. Personally, I know when a guy can’t handle razzing. You can tell that some guys just aren’t built for it. Incognito doesn’t have that filter. He was the jokester on the team, and he joked with everybody from players to coaches. That voicemail he sent came from a place of humor, but where he really screwed up was using the N-word. That, I cannot condone, and it’s probably the biggest reason he’s not with the team right now. Odd thing is, I’ve heard Incognito call Martin the same thing to his face in meetings and all Martin did was laugh. Many more worse things were said about others in the room from all different parties. It’s an Animal House. Now Incognito’s being slandered as a racist and a bigot, and unfortunately that’s never going to be wiped clean because of all the wrong he’s done people in his past. But if you really know who Richie is, he’s a really good, kind man and far from a racist.

In my experience, he’s not the kind of person who would extort someone for $15,000. The notion that Martin was forced to pay for a trip he didn’t attend has been misrepresented.

Every year, as tradition, the offensive line goes on a big Vegas trip. Everything is paid for in advance, from hotels to a private jet to show tickets. Martin originally verbally committed to the trip, then later backed out after everything was booked. Now, if you can’t go because of an emergency then it’s okay, but to say you’re going and then decide you don’t want to spend the money later? Everything was paid for, and then when it was time to pay up he didn’t want to go anymore. You don’t do that to your brothers. The veterans who paid for it, including Incognito and others, asked for Martin’s share, and he gave it to them. End of story.

The silliest part of this story, to me, is the incident at the cafeteria, in which Martin was supposed to have been hazed when everyone got up from their seats as he sat down. Whoever leaked that story failed to share that getting up from a packed lunch table when one lineman sits down is a running gag that has been around for years. It happened to me more than once, and it happened to Martin because guys on the team say he was overcoming an illness. Just like when a guy is hurt, the joke is, I don’t want to sit with you, you’ve got the bug. Perhaps for Martin it was the straw that broke the camel’s back, but when Incognito reached him after he stormed out, Martin told him the departure had nothing to do with Incognito. Martin said it was something else. Then the media onslaught began.

Incognito was made a scapegoat for the hell coming down on the Dolphins organization, which in turn said it knew nothing about any so-called hazing. That’s the most outlandish lie of this whole thing. The coaches know everything. The coaches know who’s getting picked on and in many cases call for that player to be singled out. Any type of denial on that side is ridiculous. I have friends on more than a dozen teams, and it’s the same everywhere. What people want to call bullying is something that is never going away from football. This is a game of high testosterone, with men hammering their bodies on a daily basis. You are taught to be an aggressive person, and you typically do not make it to the NFL if you are a passive person. There are a few, but it’s very hard. Playing football is a man’s job, and if there’s any weak link, it gets weeded out. It’s the leaders’ job on the team to take care of it.

The most unfortunate thing about this situation is the consequence it will have on the careers of both men. Richie’s marked himself now as a racist and a bigot, and unfortunately that could be the end of it. Martin is on the opposite end of the spectrum, but no more likely than Incognito to return to the NFL if he wants. In going to the media with his problem, Martin broke the code, and it shows that he’s not there for his teammates and he’s not standing up for himself. There might be a team that gives him a chance because he’s a good person, but the players will reject him. They’ll think, If I say one thing he’s going to the press. He’ll never earn the respect of teammates and personnel in the NFL because he didn’t take care of business the right way.

What fans should understand is that every day in the NFL there are battles between players worse than what’s being portrayed. This racial slur would be a blip on the radar if everything that happens in the locker room went public. But all over the league, problems are hashed out in house. Either you talk about it or you get physical. But at the end of the day, you handle it indoors.

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Well that's not exactly true. He said that he was "IN" for the Vegas trip. Then at the last minute he pulled out after all the refund cancellation date had passed. So, they asked him to pay for his share of what he committed to. That's the real story that wasn't reported accurately as the narrative was being set.

This never would've happened if Ireland would've just gave up a 2nd round pick for Albert. :p

I wonder if that Lydon Murtha story gives any of the people who wanted to rush to judgment any pause.

It won't.

Bottom line is that being able to play is the great "equalizer" here. Guys that are seen as non-physical/intelligent/passive are perceived as not being the norm in the NFL. However, if a guy is able to play, all that is overlooked. Big Willie Roaf was they same way EXCEPT he could play, so nobody picked on him or had to "toughen him up."

The NFL is one of the last bastions in this country where physical toughness is rewarded...If you're not tough, you're going to have problems. Not everyone gets a trophy in the NFL...

No, the facts were in. We all know more than the people in the locker room.

Murtha's little valentine is damning, if anything. He throughs the organization under the bus... and admits that Martin was ostracized for being shy.

They should probably suspend the entire team, fire all the coaches and execs and then bankrupt the franchise.

That is the next logical step, obviously.

Well, it would be reasonable to call for coach and execs to be fired.

He's not the kind of guy that would extort someone for a 15,000 trip to Vegas, but he did extort you for a $9,600 dinner. Okay.

I don't really blame Incognito for this, as I think he's an easy scapegoat. The fact is that this is a locker room culture of men that is built around a violent sport. Shit like this is going to happen unless the powers that be actively fight it and establish a culture where it's not allowed. They're (the coaches) to blame. Incognito is just an easy target because he's a giant douchebag.

It doesn't change my opinion that Incignito is a piece of shit idiot.

Really that opinion has little to do with the entire Martin thing.

It will never be a culture where its not allowed. In fact, any male dominated business culture is subject to some or all of this. Hell, even in my business, its basically the same. Its filled with a bunch of alphas who test each other constantly. Yet, somehow, people live.

Evolution has created it and its not going anywhere.

Is that what people were saying this was about 2 or 3 days ago?

It, along with the other testimonials from the players in that lockerroom, change mine a little bit. Incognito is surely still a prick (for his dirty play, if for nothing else), but it doesn't sound like he was a mean-spirited, out-of-control bully anymore. The texts and voicemail don't sound as damning anymore either.

It looks pretty much the same in high school cheerleading locker rooms.

If all if that is true.....then why the **** would Martin bring it public? What does he stand to gain?

Football is football because most of these guys are fired up gladiators come game day which is a by-product of their training and mentality. One guy gets butthurt and now the NFL needs sensitivity training and a 10 year veteran looks like he's going to be thrown under the bus.

I'm willing to bet a months pay this story would be a 2 minute side piece if Incognito never said "****er". The only thing that would make it bigger is if he was gay.

It's laughable the way people can be brainwashed. Put some helmets on these two and let's call it Round 2!!!

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Maybe he's got problems that have nothing to do with football.

Bi-polar? Multiple personalities?

I agree. The gay angle is looking more and more unlikely, IMO. I'm still curious if the guy has ever had a girlfriend though. He's a good looking guy with a Stanford education, but maybe he's too shy to ask a girl out. :shrug:

I'm pausing. I admit it.

Emotional people flail about impulsively. Gaining something isn't always as much of a priority as crying is.

I think Ireland is probably in big trouble if this true.

At least we can take comfort in knowing that the Broncos are cheating scumbags who don't love America even if we don't quite know what to think of the Dolphins at this point.

From what Murtha says, that's SOP in NFL lockerrooms. You're probably right that out-of-school revelations like that could cause Ireland to take a fall, but I'm not sure it's really fair to view him as an aberration rather than just the unlucky sap who ended up with the spotlight on him. And since his job was already in jeopardy, he's an easy fall guy anyway.