thats his ceiling. That being said, Favre was a 62% career passer. not bad.

led the league in INTs during his 2nd year as a starter, and all-time leader in that area too. You take the good with the bad with such gunslingers.

A Brett Favre ceiling? **** yeah, I'd take that in a New York minute.

Have you been watching OTAs? If you have, then I apologize for asking. If you have not, then how can you speak about his accuracy in the present tense?

Favre's problems had more to do with decision making than anything to do with his accuracy. He trusted his arm too much at times, thus the record INTs thrown in a career.

He had some real errant passes in the beginning of his career, and was a big reason he was an ironman at the position because he had Brunell breathing down his neck waiting to take his job if he got injured.

You always heard that Favre was "pumped with adrenaline", or "needs to calm down" during that period too.

Based on what?

You guys make me proud.

On how they're throwing in shorts...:drool:

We can only hope...

this x 100000

:shake::shake:No shit! Im sooooo sick & tired of holding my breadth every time Succop attempts a FG. If its before a time out, I usually pass out...:shake:

Inconsistency based on ota's or college career? Neither really means shit now. I just pray one of them can outplay booger save us some money and eventually make Lenny Dawson just some old guy.

based on OTA reports, training camp and preseason last yr, and his college career. His entire body of work is inconsistent.

Preseason last year where he ended with a 14-25 game for 169 yards, 3 TD and 1 pick, netting him a rating just under 100 in his first real extended action? That preseason?

I get the issues he had in college, I get that he has a history of questionable maturity, I get that he's a long shot and honestly I don't ever expect anything from him, but come on. "Body of work"? His body of work started last year, it didn't end when he left Fayetteville and he doesn't need to be defined by what he was in college, any more than any other pro. Sure, maybe that's all he'll ever be. And maybe it's not.

And the simplest thing is this: we want this guy to be good. The best thing that can possibly happen to this franchise at the QB position moving forward is for it to eventually come down to a tough decision between him and Murray. There's no reason to give up on either guy at this point or to actively root against either of them.

I don't recall anymore inconsistency in preseason reports than any of the other qbs...

I'm not saying he isn't but I don't recall any one specific report of him being like he was this time last year. Haven't heard much about his footwork either I wonder if it's coming along.

lol. It's a kicker. And a kicker whose clutch has blown out.

ok. independent on how other qbs are doing, have the reports describe him as consistent or inconsistent?

Kansas City Chiefs sign wide receiver Mark Harrison

6'3'' 231lbs ran a 4.37 forty at combine with a 1.59 ten yrd split.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p.../mark-harrison

It's hard not to be hopeful for something bigger out of that. Thanks for the link.

Good, must have shown that he at least has the athletic talent to do something. Not expecting anything from him but the more WRs we have competing the better.

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^ the next Terrell Owens is a Chief! Yep... guaranteed. I know about these things.

:thumb:

If he could get his head out of his ass.

What's the knock on him

lol on paper he is the biggest WR we have. He should make the team simply by not being a 5 foot 9 midget.

Off-field issues and he had a similar foot injury to what Nicks had, that's why he went undrafted.

Pats cut him because he was late to OTAs and also was taking too long to fully recover from his foot injury.

That's it? We've got behind guys way worse than that. Too the ship!

So now , Training camp starts July 24th and two weeks later preseason game #1, Aug. 7

We're almost there !

To the watchtower

:thumb:

Does anyone have a list of the players we gained/lost from last year until now?

\The disparity in combine numbers is weird, is it 4.37 or 4.46, slight difference in the split as well... either way though, he's a prototype size/speed prospect, very well worth a camp invite, Dorsey is great at bringing in guys like this.

His weakness appears to be in contract negotiations...

A penny cheap Jon Baldwin clone? I'm cool with it, but I'm not holding my breath concerning him making the team and producing.

Throwing crap on the wall and hoping that something sticks. That seems to be our strategy at WR and OL this year.

good point. Looks like 4.37 was his unofficial time and his official 40 time is 4.46.

some other interesting factoids

That guy is a beast. I will follow him.

To the ends of the earth.

If nothing else he will give a more bigger,faster wr for our DBs to cover in practice.

Between he and bray our practice squad should be able to replicate any opposing offense.

LMAO

Stop that right now.

We should be able to replicate the lions allllll day. Stafford jr and regatron.

Kansas City Chiefs’ Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson are stronger, more confident thanks to offensive-line guru
By TEREZA. PAYLOR
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“Individually, I knew I wasn’t where I wanted to be,” said Allen, who finished with a Pro Football Focus grade of negative-12 last season. “So I decided to do something about it.” Not long after that, offensive tackle Donald Stephenson dialed up Bentley, too. After spending 2013 as a swing tackle, Stephenson had already been told he’d be a full-time starter in 2014, and like Allen, he was determined to be ready.

Bentley said about 50 professional offensive linemen attended his center this spring, and he works hard to make sure they get their money’s worth. Each player participates in on-field workouts, strength training and meetings for the duration of their stay. Upon arrival, each receives an evaluation from Bentley, who is one of three people on staff who personally watch game film of each player. “He watches the film, he takes you through a functional moving test, sees what your weaknesses are, sees if you’ve got any joints that are weak, any knees, ankles, whatever,” Allen said. “You see chiropractors, you see a ton of specialists.”

While Stephenson and Allen were both high-round picks in 2012, they received different evaluations.

In Allen, Bentley saw a gifted player who needed to get stronger. “From my perspective, there was so much potential level on the tape that hasn’t been tapped,” Bentley said. “One of the biggest things for him was body composition, getting him in a position where you’re going to put on more muscle mass and lose body fat, which was naturally going to enhance what the Lord already gave him.” Allen, who is listed at 6 feet 4 and 307 pounds, said he now weighs around 315 pounds. He credited Bentley for nailing his nutrition down and Chiefs strength coach Barry Rubin for building a foundation for his strength gains.

Like Allen, Stephenson — who had a Pro Football Focus grade of negative-8.2 in 16 games last season — said he also got stronger after working with Bentley, who can apparently get creative in his workouts. But while Stephenson also made strength gains, Bentley also harped on the mental side of the game to the 6-foot-6, 312 pounder he affectionately calls “The Big Natural.” “When you have a guy that’s so gifted in terms of God-given ability, then you can also lose focus and lose the ability to really learn how to be a true master of your craft,” Bentley said. “The biggest thing with turning him into the best player he can be, just attention to detail and constantly focusing on the little things.”

Bentley’s program is year-round. He regularly watches tape and evaluates his clients in the regular season, and he makes sure he stays in touch with them. “We know what kind of players we can be, but you know, you get tired of people hearing people say you have potential,” Allen said. “Potential means nothing to me, same as Donald. Potential will get you fired. We’re just working on not having potential anymore and turning it into production.”

He basically just emptied Tomahawk ' s balls with that comment. There is nothing wrong with it. ...but does that make him gay?

Hope the work with Bentley pays off.

Both Allen and Stephenson do have a shit load of potential, but neither have even begun touch it.

If they do, this O-Line does have a chance to be pretty good.

Agreed, that was good to read. Looking from the outside in we seem to think our OL and WR corps are weak. But I really think Dorsey and Reid are tapping players that can be developed into good players and that's what building a good foundation is all about. We have tons of probowlers on the defensive side. But we just need the rest of that 53 to be decent.

Mark Harrison is a training camp body. Calvin Johnson is the best WR ever.

Tyler Bray is a scrub.

Jamaal runs nothing like Reggie Bush.

Knile Davis runs nothing like Joique Bell.

Donnie Avery and Junior Hemingway are nothing like Golden Tate and Kevin Ogletree.

Anthony Fasano is nothing like Eric Ebron.

FYP

Charles, Davis,Avery, fasano, etc. are on our practice squad?
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I'm glad they are doing the extra to get better, but its kinda of funny they are going to an outside source to get better . I think is says a lot of what they think of Andy Heck. If your offense line coach isn't a O-line guru then why the **** have him on the staff.

You don't solely practice against the practice squad in preparation for real games. I remember back before that 56-10 beating we put on the Falcons, we put Dante Hall at QB to try and simulate playing against Mike Vick.

The practice squad comparison was just a big armed gun slinger and our version in the new 6'3" kid "regatron". I think your looking far to deep into this.

Funny thing that. Under the CBA, there is very limited contact allowed with the coaches on strictly prescribed situations. Makes it very hard go really develop the players.

Players better get good coaching in the off season. We are used to WRs getting specialized training in offseason. This is a smart way for motivated players to get around limitations on team contact.

I wonder if we will see teams paying these kinds of training opportunities.

Contract incentives for rookies and "high potential" guys to go and develop with a specialist during the off-season.

Any up to date news on what's happening with the Chiefs today?

Its doubtful that any NFL team let alone the Chiefs have the specialty expertise to do all of the things this clinic is set up to do for 1 specific position group.

This guy wouldn't have job as a specialist if most teams could simply fill that role with an OL coach.

As someone else mentioned, CBA prevents a lot of this stuff anyway.

Yeah, its not like position specific offseason clinics are something new.