He's not under investigation and not being charged. Federal gambling laws are typically enforced on large gambling operations and not on individual bettors.

The only way Mickelson could have been charged is if he was complicit in the laundering/concealment of his funds - meaning there would have to be email, phone conversations, etc as proof.

I don't care, I just think they should care more. Have the wife do it....

Then again, when it comes to gambling, I'd rather sit on the hot vinyl seats of a '75 Dodge Dart Sport that's been sitting in the hot summer sun on a 105 degree day than gamble. Like most card and board games, gambling isn't anything I'll ever get "caught" doing! Now, doing some hot Golf groupie chicks on a coffee table (prolly not glass!), yeah that might happen if I was as good at Golf as Rory or Tiger!

ask Wayne Gretzky about letting your wife gamble for you

Like I said, sitting on black vinyl seats in a closed-up '75 Dodge Dart Sport in 100+degree sunny heat, in the DIRECT sun, with a Speedo on, is a billion times more fun than gambling, so I'll not be bothering Sir Wayne about such matters.

I've played it a half dozen times. It's super cheap to play, and a well maintained course - especially for the price. I wouldn't make a special trip that way just to play SCS, but if you are in the area, it's worth the time to check it out.

well GloryDayz, people have different hobbies

For instance, I think losing a $500 bet on a last second half court shot to cover the spread is more fun than fishing ...

so to each their own

You would be a roller coaster of a ride to watch or hang with in Vegas.

Try noodling; you might find it a bit more exciting... :D:D:D:D:D:D

you should have seen me in late April LMAO

Tits is a thug POS

I don't know how calling someone an addict and saying that they are reckless is defending them.

https://twitter.com/bustedcoverage/s...57755196751873

Tiger banging ex dufner

And it's quite possible he was banging her while still with Vonn, and possibly while she was with Dufner.

PGA Tour WAGs might be the biggest golddiggers in all of sports. With that said, Woods proves his scumbaggery yet again. What a piece of shit.

So I didn't know tiger had ended things with Foley.

He's been seeing Chris CoMo for about eight months, a guy immersed in biomechanics who doesn't even play golf.

Lmao

Omg tiger isn't faithful and bangs a lot of women omg

Who cares?

It's not about ****ing a lot of women, it's about banging another dude's wife. Golfers aren't opponents the way basketball or football players are. This isn't like ****ing a teammate's wife, but it's pretty close to banging a coworker's.

Maybe the wife shouldn't be such a whore? Meh.

I care about how tiger hits the ball, not about who he bangs ... The tmz'ing of sports is a joke. The fact the public gets butt hurt about it is hilarious. Blah blah blah, don't care

Do you see me excusing her at all? Shit, I called her a golddigger.

I just know you hate tiger and think it's funny you love to trash him at any turn

...power to him for being able to bang anyone, anytime

I don't mix sports and morals

I don't hate Tiger, nor do I take a chance to bash him at any turn. If I did, you'd find tons of posts from me laughing at his performance at the US Open.

That's a dumbass claim.

Oh give me a break.

Why don't you show some evidence for your claim instead of talking out of your ass?

Pretty well known she was getting dicked by a lot of dudes incl Dustin Johnson

I had only heard that he was balling the wives of Will Mackenzie and Jimmy Walker.

Just added this stick to the bag today. Not the most pricy or glamorous club on the market (I only spend that kind of coin on my two son's gear!!), but it's pretty nice.

Yeah, leftie....


http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxND...U0RZm/$_35.JPG

WHAT DOES THAT CLUB HAVE TO DO WITH TIGER WOODS DROPPING COCK ON SOME HOTTIE

Lol, jk. I like the look of that club. Pretty shwanky. Here's a pic of my new driver...

http://www.forsalegolfclubs.co.uk/im...SLDR-White.jpg

I've been told by someone with more golf knowledge than me that I should trade that ****er in, that it is an impossible club to hit. But I'm intrigued by it, and I've already given it a nickname - "Kill Whitey". Plus a guy I work with wanted me to trade it for his used Cleveland Driver and $175, and that guy knows his shit. So we'll see how it goes.

Tiger Woods is a virgin.. :cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:

My son hits this baby, and WOW, it goes a long way! With a swing speed between 105 and 109, that's expected (and I WISH I WAS CLOSE TO THAT!!), but when it not a long way down thr fairway, it's a long way into the woods!

The good news is that when he mishits it, there's no question about if we should go looking for it. It's simple, NO!!!

http://www.philipsgolf.co.uk/image/c...ha-500x500.png

Lol. My brother-in-law drives a Bertha. He'll knock the bejesus out of the ball with it, but he has a wicked late slice with that driver. Many times the ball won't even be down and he'll say calmly "**** that ball. Let's go". And sure enough, it will end up tens of yards OB.

GloryDayz,

I would recommend looking at 3Balls golf for clubs. They are an authorized CPO Titleist re-seller and they offer 25% of their lefty stock every day.

Site bookmarked... Thanks man, it looks awesome... I'm good for now, but one of these days I'm going to treat myself to a matched set of clubs that are professionally fitted; and that might be where I start.

Then again, I may have a crayola box version of clubs in my bag, but I'm not unhappy with them either. I'm just coming to grips with the loss of distance now that I'm over 50.... My bag is mostly made-up of Burner irons, but my 1992 putter and wedge are going to be difficult to pry from my cold dead hands. I also have a 2-iron that I love (to prove to God I can hit it when my driver starts looking too drunk [even is it's not a 1-iron that not even God can hot!!]).

But I get the impression that I'm not all that unique in having a potpourri of clubs in the bag.

Shot an 82 today. Didn't make a putt. I've spent hoards of time on my golf game this year (bought a membership so I needed to justify the purchase) and my ball striking is just fantastic right now. I realize 82 isn't great but this was a tournament 82 so no bullshit. Happy to card that kind of score in a members outing

I ditched my x14s for my dad's old titleist 704 cb irons and, while 10 years old, I really like how I hit them. I benched my driver today for my g15 18.5° 5 wood that I hit about 240 and didn't miss a fairway. I just don't see the benefit right now of 1/3 drives going 300 yards but the other 2 putting me in miserable position when I hit my 5 wood that well. I just cannot find comfort with my driver this year. I hate spending money on clubs since I think it's the player more than the equipment but I'm close to just getting fit for a g30 and seeing what happens. Hit my partners 10° g30 weighted to fight slices and crushed the thing down the center

Beware of the honeymoon period with new clubs.

My irons are 25 years old. There is very, very little technological advancement that has been made in irons since 1982.

Really? That I did not know. Right now I have a 9° G15 driver with a 10.5° G15 in the mail from pops ... Is a G30 really going to make a difference? Is driver technology a bit different? I just started using the G15 upgrading my Nike Sasquatch and honestly, I hit the Nike better

Drivers will lose spring and the technology there has changed quite a bit. Especially if you're fit by a pro for it.

In terms of Hamas with iron tech, it's pretty accurate. Problem you'll have is that they'll bend themselves to lofts you don't want if they've been hit that much and groove tech has changed a bit.

Specifically wedges with grooves.

If you can't catch your fingernail while running down the face get new ones.

I play alot so I usually get new wedges yearly

LOL, that's awesome. It was only last year when my neighbor gave me these Burners. Before that I have been hitting my 1992 Dunlop irons and Spalding Executive graphite woods since, well, 1992...

I agree, golf makes a lot of their coin on paint jobs and chrome... I say that, but I'll say that woods/drivers made a HUGE leap when they went from the sixe they used to be (wood or graphite) to these huge 460cc titanium behemoths. That and hybrids.. I love me my hybrid! Everything I lost with distance in low irons because of age a got back with hybrids. The spin isn't even close, so the control isn't there, but hitting 180-200 off the fairways is a LOT simpler with a hybrid over a 3 or 5 wood...

But you are right, while I like the Burners, I can't say that they've lowered my score any, and they almost 20 years newer!

Cast irons are not going to bend. In fact, even when you shock the metal by bending it with a mallet, it still returns back to its cast form.

Forged irons will bend themselves out of shape, but they also wear out significantly faster than cast irons.

The only improvements that have been made in driver tech over the last decade is improvement of ball speed on off-center hits and movement of the center of gravity to adjust the spin of the shot. If you are properly fit for a driver, the second doesn't really matter because you'll have optimal launch conditions with a properly fitted club.

A lot of it has to do with the shaft more than the head. Nike shafts play soft to flex (they usually license MRC to make a knock-off version of a $300 aftermarket shaft for their clubs with a wildly different profile). If you don't have a swing with a violent transition, those shafts may load better for you than Ping's standard shafts (the G15 came with a Serrano and TFC shafts, both of which play true to flex).

People change drivers often because pros are paid to change their drivers often. Most have an 11-club contract. Because drivers are a sales leader, they are pressured to play the newest model, but in their fairway woods they use what works best for them. McIlroy, for example, when he was with Titleist used a 906F4 3 wood, which came out in 2006-7. Mickelson played a Rocketballz 3-wood for a long time and an Anser hybrid, and Tiger stuck with a Titleist PT 3 wood (which was one of the oldest clubs on tour) until the club basically disintegrated.

When they struggle, they often return back to the stuff that has worked for them, which is why Brandt Snedeker was using a Taylor Made model from last decade last week.

Golfed past 3 days. I'm totally exhausted and I rode a cart. I used to say golf was a sport but not athletics. No more. Walking 4 days and playing under the pressure they do is remarkable. They have incredible stamina.

I played 18 Thursday, 9 Friday, and 18 Saturday. I always walk, and it agree that it's not marathon, but it's dam good exercise. Walk up the two hills (to 7 and 13), and down the hill (after teeing off of 3) at Teetering Rocks, and you'll know you've huffed up a hill (dragging/pushing a cart)... I know, I know, "Teetering Rocks" (!!!), but I love it... Just fun!

Lot's of sunscreen....

While the tech change hasn't helped with irons nearly as much as woods/hybrids it has defiantly been there. With blades and small cavity backs (i.e. purely players irons) there really hasn't been much change but with the others I have definitely seen it.

The game improvement category of irons exists now when it didn't before My 5 year old callaway x-22 tours are definitely better than the 845s and Ping ISIs I played in high school.

What are the old irons you are playing? A few weeks ago I borrowed some old DCIs from a friend while out of town and they were not half bad.

Actually getting irons fit for your swing might be the biggest thing for a fairly decent golfer and much bigger deal than buying new ones. For years I thought I was somewhat tall (6-1) so I need upright or at least standard lie clubs. Was shown on video how I was changing my swing/adjusting my body on the downswing to offset for even standard lie to try to even out at contact. Currently play irons that are -3.25 lie.

To date this has been the single biggest mistake I've made in golf. I laugh about "it can't be me, it has to be the clubs", but it's a little bit true. At some point I'm going to bite the bullet and just do it for my older son and me. I've just always wanted to "get those new irons" before I did that.

It's dumb, I know, so it's going to be a rainy weekend thing we do.

I like to walk as much as possible, do it at Heart of America quite a bit. Really makes u concentrate on ur shot. Don't want to chase balls all day

I had those 704cb for a few years. They had a fairly nice feel and ball action but off center hits were more rough than they should have been.

I find that if I walk and I miss the fairway off the tee, my finding the ball is far more probable if I'm walking and can walk the line-of-fate that my ball suffered due to my club-swinging dumbassery and stock-lie clubs....

Dumb clubs!

At least with irons fitting largely eliminates the clubs are the problem. A lot can be done with adjusting your current irons since bending for lie is reasonably cheap. Mostly its just finding someone you trust that knows that they are doing.

My biggest fear is having any form of golf professional (even if a stick lie bender) telling me that it's not really the clubs, it's more like I'm the white version of Charles Barkley, or something like that....

It's obviously not the clubs. Finding someone good that can help you with your swing and you trust is a lot more difficult. I have been lucky over the years in finding someone good to tinker with my swing but don't have a really good suggestion of how to find one.

Eye 2 + no +. Still have the boxed radiused grooves but with lofts that are more up to date with modern sets.

Game improvement irons got as good as they were going to get with the Ping Eye 2s. Karsten pretty much perfected perimeter weighting. Now all of the advances are in shaft technology.

Today, people hit their irons longer because the lofts are cranked down 5-6* beyond what they were 20+ years ago. Most Taylor Made 6-irons are 26-26.5* now, compared to the Eye 2's 32* 6-iron.

The ISI's that you played are probably the least forgiving mass market iron that Ping ever made until the S-series (unless they were the ISI-K stainless), and the 845s, while forgiving for a player's cavity, were never really designed as a SGI iron.

I had the ISI nickle variant that I saved up in part from mowing greens for a summer as an upgrade on my 845s. They were pretty nice at the time and sold them for bad change to the Titlist 704s.

Completely agree on the loft thing and it's fairly dumb how a 7 iron isn't the same and basically became a 6 iron with game improvement lofts. Still seems the players irons these days stay true to loft.

Also heavily disagree that irons didn't progress since the eye 2 +. Never cared for those irons at all and don't agree they are short because of lofts or shaft tech. You are paying the yardage penalty for an old cast iron for no reason.

Just going with late 80s shaft tech as the equalizer with dynamic gold which many current irons still use. No way that something like a ping eye 2+ can roll with even the aged AP2s or I25s.

Personal preference of the irons is irrelevant.

There are a few factors that will result in an iron generating more distance:

1) Mass. That's why a pured blade is still the longest club out there. Most mass behind the ball at impact.

2) Effective loft at impact. Lower loft generates less backspin which results in greater length. Most manufacturers now make lower lofted irons with an increased effective loft at impact to help people who scoop get the ball in the air.

3) Material construction: a face that has flex can provide a watered down version of the trampoline effect that gives drivers their current length, but nearly every cast iron made has a 17-4 stainless steel construction, identical to what Ping used in the Eye 2. Aside from a small amount of tungsten in the toe of the I25, that entire iron is cast from 17-4 as well.

4) Shafts. Pings used the ZZ-Lite for years, which is really a TT Lite XL. It played very stiff to flex. Since they introduced the Cushin option on their i3 models in '99, they've basically changed shaft technology with every new model (ZZ-65, CFS, AWT, and others I'm sure I'm missing).

Regarding forgiveness: that is going to happen through increasing the MOI of the club. However, as GD points out, MOI is pretty much maxed out anyway:

That five yards might mean the difference between carrying a greenside bunker or not, but any meaningful leaps in forgiveness won't come from chasing higher MOI. It's already pretty much maxed out. Consider, the MOI of the Ping Eye2, introduced in 1984 [sic], was 2,600 g-cm2.

Will more forgiveness come from irons with lower centers of gravity? Probably not. Lowering the CG with wider, heavier soles does help launch the ball higher, but if it's pushed too far beneath the point where the iron contacts the ball, you start to lose ball speed.

"With CG and MOI there's only so much that can be done, and most designers already know how to optimize both across each iron category," says Golf Digest Technical Panelist Martin Brouillette, a professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Sherbrooke in Quebec. "With the Ping Eye2, we know they got a little lucky. But now we're to the point where we don't have to be lucky anymore." What he means is that designers have studied perimeter weighting for a long time, and they know how it works

FWIW, I played the i3s for six years and the i5s for five years, and the i5s are probably the best-regarded of Ping's modern irons from a forgiveness/playability standpoint. I noticed no significant difference loss in distance that wouldn't be accountable to a loft difference (and even then, I didn't really see one anyway).

I defiantly agree no distance is gained at all from iron advances from all these year. The improvements have come from off center hits traveling further. Miss a strike with a modern iron and you may still get the distance but miss the green, Miss the same with an old style like and Eye 2 and you miss it short and the same direction.

Distance loss on off hits vs. the old eye 2? Just find it hard to believe the eye 2 holds up to those in playability.

Your very sound approach to irons is making me think I should just stick with what I have.

You are making the game harder than it needs to be with those irons. Do you also carry an old Taylor Made Tour Spoon?

Except that doesn't happen. The MOI on the Eye 2 is better than Ping's S series, and virtually identical to their I and G series irons. The higher the MOI, the less energy is loss due to twisting in off center hits, which means that more energy is delivered to the golf ball, maximizing distance.

The Eye 2 is the biggest clubhead I've played on an iron since I was a beginner.

Back to back even par rounds in our club championship, won my forst 2 rounds of match play. Got beat 1 up in 19 holes to the eventual champ.

I was dormy going into 17, went birdie birdie to get it to even. Went back to 18 which is a par 5, made birdie and lost. ****

Nice.

Just ran out of gas. I was making putts out of my ring toot the whole time.

Hope it carries to next weekend. Got a 2 day best ball with a calcutta. Hope to make some money.

Then heading to southern hills for a bachelor weekend of golf

You definitely seem to have much more knowledge that I have on what goes into the irons beyond preference. I just found it really difficult to fathom that the Eye 2 still held up like that. Searched around a bit and still surprised in a how is this possible way.

Really curious what the +/no + model means since I only remember the eye 2 and those that had the + marking near the toe.

The engineering genius of Karsten Solheim really can't be overstated. The man was an absolute marvel. If you want to extend it further, he designed the putter which is still the overwhelmingly most popular model on tour in 1966.

Supposedly, there are a few sets of Eye 2 + no + models made in BeCu (a few dozen at most, maybe apocryphal), but they were only made for members of the Solheim family or very close friends.

Pros could spin the hell out of the old Eye 2s (made from 1984-89) with boxed radiused grooves (people call them square grooves now, but the name really isn't accurate). Almost half of all tour pros played them because they were that good. In 1989, the PGA banned square grooves and Ping sued them.

As part of the settlement, existing Ping irons were grandfathered in, but those manufactured from April 1990 on could no longer have square grooves. These models are indicated by the extruded plus on the toe side of the cavity.

While the lawsuit was working itself out, Ping began producing a slight redesign of the existing Eye 2 head, with a different sole design from the 9-iron down to the wedges and stronger lofts. Clubs made from about September 1989 to April 1990 have the best of both worlds: the stronger lofts of the + series Pings that are more in line with modern loft, the new sole design in the short irons, and most importantly, the existing square grooves.

+ no + irons are immediately identifiable by looking at the 9-iron or wedge. They have a cambered sole and no extruded plus in the cavity.

These are the + no + models and are the most collectible Eye 2s out there (along with the BeCus).

The + no + wedges are so good that when the USGA enacted the new groove laws Mickelson went back to his old Eye 2 wedges because of the spin advantage it gave him. Scott McCarron called him a cheater for using them. A few months later, Ping quietly acquiesced to removing the grandfather clause, and now they no longer produce any full sets of Eye 2s.

The perimeter weighted putter was huge. The anser became a standard design for a putter even now.

Remember calling some store every day in highschool to find out when I could get the scotty cameron newport that was basically an anser.

That is a crazy bit of club history I had no idea about. When I was playing high school golf in the mid/late 90's I can't recall anyone playing eye 2s.

As you were starting to convince me these old clubs were legit I was starting to think about buying some to dick around with thinking usual eye 2 prices. How much does a set of + no + run?

That's funny. Two of the best golfers on our team in the same time period had Eye 2s.

You should be able to get a set of + no + for around $200, but my recommendation would run you a little more than that. Before the i3s came out, Ping used a tumbled finish on all of their irons. From the i3s on, they use a finish called Guyson, which is a blasted media finish.


There is a guy on ebay named llgolf. He refinishes Ping irons using the tumbled process for $13 a club, plus shipping.

I mention this for two reasons:

1) He does an absolutely masterful job

2) If you still have your ISI Nickels, Ping won't touch them. Due to EPA restrictions, they won't work on anything with beryllium in them (this includes the BeCu irons as well) due to the risk of berylliosis and cancer from the inhalation of dust particles.

Overall, I'd expect to spend about $300, but the clubs you get will look factory new. Pings are known for being nearly indestructible.

He'll take a set that looks like this:

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAxWDc0OA...VmFiE/$_12.JPG

And when he's done, they'll look like this:

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODEzWDE2MD...VT935/$_57.JPG


From there, find a shaft that you like (Pings take a .355 taper shaft; I put TT Black Golds in them), and you're off to go.

I'm a Tiger hater. Always have been. First, I hated him for making golf so popular among folks that crammed the golf courses. Then I hated him for how popular he was with the media. Every goddam swing he hit, they had to show. Even if he was 10 strokes off the lead.

Now I hate the fact that even though he sucks ass and the tour is much more exciting without him, we still have to put up with all his 'come back' stories.

Good stuff.:thumb:

Golf is better with tiger imo.


And seriously, **** golf. 10 footer for birdie on 18 for a cool 1000 bucks and I leave it short right in the guts, lost some cash.

I hate myself

actual cash or club credit?

all of the tourneys around here only give course credit

Cash

Saturday morning game here at our club in springfield. 250 per side, 125 per player 2 man best ball.

Pushed the front, 1 up going into 18, they pressed, I missed.

****

Looks like a really great job they do restoring them and I'm fairly interested now.

I sold my ISI nickles years ago to buy some Titlest set I never really liked. Even those were indestructible and looked nearly new at the time. Tough to say if they were the best iron I'd played since my swing was fairly better 10 years ago. Only thing I disliked was the offset.