Yeah don't bother. Absolutely ****ing ruined a cool as shit villain to try to make it a comedy. Just a complete ****ing miss considering how cool Thor is.

I bet it's bad bad bad. ****ing Ms. Marvel shouldn't be anywhere near a big screen. I liked the first Captain Marvel, but I can guarantee I will loathe this movie.

It was actual girl-Ronan? Oooof. They were kinda hiding that in the trailer, and only showing the character for like 1/10th of a second. Should have known it was to coverup another vaginationing of a known character...

I think Waititi was trying to do to much as a director, actor, etc. and Thor L & T suffered.

Will Iron Man & Captain America also be women? :D

Don't know if I'll ever be back to see another Marvel Movie in theaters. It's a bit hard to believe just how off the rails they've managed to take it.

You mean you aren't going to drop $20 to see a movie about a character who has had almost no screen in 4 years teaming up with a character who had a CW series on D+ and another character who had about the 6th billing in a limited series?

Don't bother... complete waste of time and it will just make you angry at the wasted talent and concept of the story. I'm pissed these actors weren't like wtf is this shit...and I loved Ragnarok

Feige has been stretched thin...I have a feeling things are gonna change soon. Less content etc and focused like before and hopefully better

I almost guaran****ingtee that they will be.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheMarvels?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheMarvels</a> is kind of rad? Super snappy and brisk. Full of wit and nuttiness. It gives exactly what I had hoped for which is a star turn for Iman Vellani. Kamala, the Khans, and the kittens pretty much carry the film to the finish line. More 90-minute superhero films please!</p>&mdash; Charles Villanueva (@cfsvillanueva) <a href="https://twitter.com/cfsvillanueva/status/1721908747315093607?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah... its bombing.......

I don't really care that it's primarily a female cast. That shit just doesn't look interesting and I've never really given a shit about Capt Marvel as a character.

Same,

Forget the woke shit, it has more to do with the Characters. MCU has really lacked in story telling since end game. (MINUS LOKI)

Multiverse nonsense.
Disney plus characters as the leads.
Main lead is a charisma vacuum who shit on the fans that have been Marvels' bread a butter.

It's not a question of if this will fail, but a question of how much.

Pretty much,

Still disappointed in the last Thor movie too. GOTG3 was really good. But the MCU has lost its ability for people to really emotionally attach people to their characters. I care more about LOKI than any of the movies right now.

I have no issue if Marvel wants to get more diversity out of their stars, BUT this has became such a ****ing joke.

No original ideas. Just the same shit being forced down our throats.

Now this is going to be another absolute bomb.

And their solution is going to be…. Bringing back the same white males who brought them so much success.

God Bless James Gunn for giving us one last home run before getting away from that hell hole. That same James Gunn who they tried to fire, and would have succeeded had his cast not gone to the lengths they did by threatening to quit on the movie. Oh yeah. And that’s probably the most diverse cast at Marvel. But it’s not forced in the least bit

I get why you would think that, but apparently it's a new character. It could be Ronin's hammer, but in the comics the hammer is the standard weapon of the Accusers. The purple energy does make it look like she's using the power stone, but I think that's just because she has a bangle like Ms. Marvel (which is also purple energy).

I also doubt there's anything with Iron Man or Captain America in this movie. They're just getting a little desperate to sell the movie, given the early indicators.

Theory in spoiler tags, take it for what it's worth.

It all goes together.

You may not "care" that a primarily all-female cast has been put together, but it's also the very the reason why it's not interesting.

I mean lets be honest...

This sounds like the barbie version of a Marvel movie based around all the MCU characters nobody cares about. Post End Game I’ve found myself more and more to be rooting for the villains over these pussified MCU characters that are basically just the skinny version of Zach.

Honestly I think that's a huge part of it. Captain Marvel is the most recognizable character of the three and she comes off as blah in her movie. The other two don't seem like they are big enough characters to really care about. I do think had they originally cast Captain Marvel with someone who showed any sort of personality that character could carry this movie better.

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Nelson Peltze and Apple are licking their chops and readying for a hostile takeover

I'm gonna guess this is still way more enjoyable than Thor Love and Thunder.

:bolt:

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I will give Brie Larson this: we watched Scott Pilgrim last night, and she was scene stealer there.

One of my favorite movies. For what it's worth, she seems to also know that the Marvel stuff sucks too.

Yup.
And people complaint but I don't think anyone could have nailed the Ms. Marvel character like Larson has. She possesses all of the same negative character traits. It was perfect casting...

all three marvels were perfectly cast I think. All three seem to have good chemistry in this movie just the movie is a mess apparently

https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/s...omQYSsHew&s=19

Marvels gonna get this shit fixed I think. Smart to slow things down

Theory in the spoiler tag confirmed in post / mid credit scene, more info in spoiler tag below.

So I went and saw Marvels. It wasn't great, but it wasn't the total shitfest I was expecting, either. There are some decent fight choreography scenes in it, and the girl that plays Kamala Khan seems to be having the time of her life in an MCU movie, but there is a dance choreography scene that is really cringe. And the Flerken situation, while sorta funny, just seemed totally out of place. I'm not MAD I went to go see it, but if you want to wait until it hits streaming, you really won't be missing out.

The mid credit scene (and there's only one, there's no post credit scene) is probably worth the entire movie. And say what you will about Brie Larson, but she's hot af in this thing.

Put a chic in it... make her lame and gay!

Well first of all, I learned about the Haudenosaunee. I’d only ever heard of it as the Iroquois Confederacy. That one sounds awesome.

Love the comments on that post, though. “What If the other half was snapped by Thanos”.. I can’t believe they haven’t jumped on this one already..

And “Odin AND Hela?! Just how strong is Wenwu?!” LMAO And, yeah, I have to agree. Wenwu would get dumpstered by Thor 1 Thor. Going up against Odin and Hela would just be a slaughterhouse.

That singing and dancing scene was pretty awful and was something straight out of every Disney musical. I got drug to see it, but there were like 10 other people in the theater on opening night. I haven’t seen the numbers, but I imagine this is going to crash and burn at the box office.

Yeah I came here to ask the same thing about Odin and Hela vs Wenwu. They just totally destroy him the minute they decide to eliminate him and the episode is 1 minute long and 59 seconds of it is them deciding if they want to bother with his situation.

Put a chick in it and make her lame and gay

Lol.. Yeah, idk. I can’t remember which movie it was but there was a post credits scene in which Wong found out that the 10 Rings were emitting some sort of beacon to space somewhere. I’m guessing they’re going to call it alien tech. Hela is also supposed to be weaker when away from Asgard.. so maybe that’s their idea. With the 10 Rings and Wenwu’s syndicate army, maybe he can put up some sort of fight?

I don’t see it but they also had Vision Mind Stone laser Thanos in half so clearly they’re cool with doing things differently in the What If storylines.

WTF? Weird...

The comic character is way different.

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Fish......

Can't you see, the SOURCE material is being IGNORED every single time. Disney / Hollywood cannot help themselves. In their chase to be original they have become SHIT.

Starwars - Tons of great EU story lines IGNORED
The Witcher - Lol....
Marvel - they are not even trying
Disney - Didn't even have ****ing 7 dwarves........

I don't understand why the **** these studios are so hell bent on "Changing" things instead of just PRINTING money. Its one thing to take some liberties with source material... But my god.

That's not Madame Web. That's not even close to Madame Web.

Is this going to be some mutiverse/Spiderverse thing, or is this just going to be a real shitty one shot like Mobius?

The ass whupping that Disney is taking is glorious.

It's hard to understand why they've done what they have. All of what they're dealing with (on the movie side anyway) has been completely avoidable. They had the formula in the MCU with the Infinity Stone Saga, and just.......chose to not replicate that.

Easy: no one gives two shits about about C and D tier comic characters, especially ones that failed spectacularly as a comic (hello Ms. Marvel). A lot of these efforts have been ham fisted attempts to pull in other demographics, except it was borne out through the data that Gen Z hates these movies, and so do women (opening weekend for The Marvels was 65% men).

So now you've alienated your casual fans who were probably there for most of the movies, all while not moving the needle for the demographic you hoped to entice, and it's becoming a sport to watch and cheer on the failures of these movies. Marvel used to be about the characters and stories. Now it's about visuals and DEI.

Reminds me of the NFL in a lot of ways. They have a stellar product and so they can afford to make us sit through pop star half time shows, kneeling, and #stopracism because we are weak willed. But the script and characters in this latest phase blow chunks, and at the end of the day, it's quality that matters.

Just saw The Marvels and it wasn't a bad movie, although not great either. It's just there.

Put a chick in it... make her gay and lame!

Why do you think every commercial, TV show, movie, etc has to have a trans or gay character in it, regardless of age demo....or everything being race driven?

They're wanting to flip the culture/norms you and I grew up in upside down and have future youth grow up in a shitlib dystopia controlled by big tech, big pharma, social credit score etc.

We're seeing it real time.

Movie studios will survive they'll just make deals with the bankingsystem controllers when they go live ushering in credit score system/cashless society.

Same reason why Bud Light did what they did....and other Fortune list companies. They'll be taken care of.

Of course nobody asked for this. The woke LGBQT crap reaaaally only applies to about a qtr of 1% of people in US....but its all taking up 90% of culture/narrative etc. Nothing about this was ever grass roots.

It's an agenda, and it's well funded by corrupt assholes who want to see the US collapse...and they're not going to stop.

Before you know itll be illegal to be straight, white, and have kids.

Dear God.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheMarvels?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheMarvels</a> collapsed on its 2nd FRI tumbling 87% from opening day FRI to just $2.8M. 2nd wknd <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/boxoffice?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#boxoffice</a> is on track to reach about $10M for a sharp 78% drop. Cume of only $66M in 1st 10 days heading to final domestic of under $90M. Will be 1st <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MCU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MCU</a> film to not break $100M!</p>&mdash; Gitesh Pandya (@GiteshPandya) <a href="https://twitter.com/GiteshPandya/status/1725903661962870827?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wow.

There should be firings for that. And to think they're going to follow this up with Madame Web?? *insert Morgan Freeman Good Luck gif here*

Pretty sure Madame Web is Sony. Of all the Spidey side characters the only one that could probably carry their own movie is Black Cat.

Point. And yeah, a Black Cat movie done correctly would be good.

Still a Marvel entity, though, and another terrible movie is going to be a body blow to the brand no matter who puts it out. Hasn't Fiege had his name in the credits of those movies? He and D'Esposito, both? Sincerely can't 100% remember....

Just saw a commercial for the movie during the Chiefs game and they no longer advertised it as the #1 movie in America.

Thanos was right.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bob Iger says creators at Disney have lost sight of what their jobs should be, entertain first, not messages.<br><br>He adds that stories infused with “positive messages for the world” can be great but that it shouldn’t be the primary job.<br><br>(Source: <a href="https://twitter.com/sherman4949?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sherman4949</a>) <a href="https://t.co/h7qKyqJE05">pic.twitter.com/h7qKyqJE05</a></p>&mdash; DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) <a href="https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1729969014397456435?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO Just a bit late on that one

The first step is admitting you have a problem......

Ridiculous that it even needs to be said, tbh..

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Iger pretending he hasn’t been part of the reason it’s been happening even though it really started under his watch.

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..."Madame Web. Which is kinda like Morbius for women." LMAO

".....Literally the same people that wrote Morbius, wrote Madame Web."

****ing oooof. Did not realize that. Now wonder it looks so terrible..

Never saw Morbius, but didn’t that movie suck and flop as well?

Jeeezzz all these DC/political posts in here. WTF?

Which ones are bugging you?

Yeah it was absolutely awful. I was really hoping Morbius would kick off a line of Marvel horror stuff. But it was a turd.

Glad I never pulled the trigger on it. JMO, but I feel there IS an avenue in the MCU for the horror stuff. Midnight Sons would be a massive hit if they'd just do it correctly (which is apparently asking a ton these days, but still).

Jared Leto should just stay away from comic book movies. His batting average is well below the Mendoza line in such projects.

Leto was a big part of the problem with the movie. Of course the entire movie is so awful, picking one part of the turd out from another isn't easy.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: The Spider-Man Noir live-action series in the works at Amazon has brought on Steve Lightfoot (&quot;The Punisher&quot;) as co-showrunner alongside writer Oren Uziel.<br><br>The untitled series follows an older, grizzled superhero in 1930s New York City. <a href="https://t.co/U74GmmhECo">https://t.co/U74GmmhECo</a></p>&mdash; Variety (@Variety) <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1731782930408804575?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just cast Nicholas Cage.

Morbius was indescribably bad. Every decision they made on that film was the wrong one.

I have no confidence in Kraven, either. If nothing else, they tragically miscast him, and stripped away his Russian accent for Taylor-Johnson's high-pitched, boyish squeak. I guess they did that because Quicksilver had an Eastern European accent, but whatever. I'll be happy if I just get a satisfying Rhino.

The jury's out about Madame Web. I'm skeptical about how strong a character she is, but the movie's introducing like a half dozen Spider-Man auxiliaries, so maybe one of them will stick. Why would they hire the Morbius writers a second time?

The Marvels tanked because it's been five years, it required homework, and it was under-marketed in part because of the strike. It screams "Wait for Disney Plus," so I think its numbers will climb then. Flower Moon and Napoleon also tanked hard, making me think that people just don't want to go out for movies as much any more, and/or the "Weekend Box Office Estimate" system isn't as accurate any more.

I haven't watched Season 2 of Loki yet, but I didn't much care for Season 1. I just watched Gen V, which was good but not quite up to The Boys standards. The next thing I'm really looking forward to is Echo next January.

The Marvels tanked because phase 4 has mostly been a flop and the first movie was a shit movie.

The only reason that movie made so much money was because they purposely released it right before End Game.

You're not the only one who thinks that.

I thought it was all right, middle of the pack as Marvel films go. I found it hard to identify with the a flying space cop from a planet of blue-skinned aliens and who literally couldn't be hurt. Even Thor had his moments of humility, getting KO'ed by a taser or failing to pick up the hammer, but she didn't seem to have that.

Which isn't a huge surprise, since the original comics back in the 60s had the same problem. He was super boring too, and they tried revamping him a few times to get people to buy it, before eventually just cancelling his title.

Yeah, the most interesting thing the original Captain Marvel ever did was die.

You know, the one consistent thing with Captain Marvel is that it's always been more of a contrived idea than a creative one. The original Captain Marvel was created essentially to steal the copyright on the name, then they stuck it on Carol Danvers because they wanted an answer to Wonder Woman.

Kind of how I felt too.

There are three or four times in the movie that I felt had a lot of promise, or were legitimately very good.

But there are three or four other times in the movie where, my goodness, the director/writer just forgot how people talk to each other or react to things.

Kamala Khan is easily the biggest selling point here, Iman Vellani is really good in the role. Nick Fury as a character has completely changed for the worse, though. He used to be a badass spy king, now he's basically everybody's uncle.

I can't put together why Brie Larson just hasn't delivered as Captain Marvel. She's an outstanding actress, but I think she's just too hip for the room. There are times throughout this movie where she's literally jumping rope and she just looks uncomfortable, like she feels shame she's doing something this silly.

That's where Gal Godot, for instance, really crushed it. Godot just leaned way in on all the shamelessness and cheesy joy of Wonder Woman and completely became that character.

Larson seems to always have a leg out the door. That's the best way I can describe it.

British actors seem to enjoy doing the hammy stuff more than American actors for some reason. They asked Anthony Hopkins why he decided to do the hammy schlocky roles instead of the serious ones nowadays and he replied he did the serious roles so he could have fun and play the hammy schlocky roles later.

GOTG3 was only good phase 4 so far imho

That and Spiderman. Shang Chi was okay but I remember nothing about it.

GotG 3 is actually in Phase Five, which is where they are now. Granted, without the Avengers tentpoles it sometimes gets hard to tell.

I thought Shang-Chi and Spider-Man No Way Home were amazing, and several of the TV shows were really good. They're laying bombs now, like Thor Love and Thunder and Secret Invasion, which they didn't use to do.

One of their guys recently said they're going to try to slow down and concentrate on making good movies rather than churning out as many as they can. I think that's a good idea.