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Warrick 08-14-2022 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16411410)
Good highlight video on George today. Looks like he tipped a pass too

https://youtu.be/-6sP89M5vxg

Beast mode!

Hammock Parties 08-14-2022 09:41 AM

god damn

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...think these Chiefs got themselves a good one in Karlaftis <a href="https://t.co/iadWKhprs7">pic.twitter.com/iadWKhprs7</a></p>&mdash; Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1558811731039764481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

smithandrew051 08-14-2022 09:42 AM

I think we keep it simple: Hercules.

His cover pic on Twitter is Hercules too.

Marcellus 08-14-2022 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16411360)
Bottom line is the guy has literally been exactly what we had hoped for when we drafted him. Both in terms of makeup and performance.

If he's able to keep it up, the sky is the limit. But this fanbase is absolutely going to go wild over someone like this. It's gonna be fun to see.

Boiler Up!

We are close to losing a Purdue star and gaining one the same season. Destiny at work.

ThaVirus 08-14-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16411821)
I think we keep it simple: Hercules.

His cover pic on Twitter is Hercules too.


Hercules is the Roman version though

smithandrew051 08-14-2022 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16411863)
Hercules is the Roman version though

I don’t pretend to be an expert on this stuff

Monticore 08-14-2022 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16411863)
Hercules is the Roman version though

Heracles would result in a lot of , WTF is that .

Tribal Warfare 08-14-2022 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16411821)
I think we keep it simple: Hercules.

His cover pic on Twitter is Hercules too.

Yogurt

smithandrew051 08-14-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16411883)
Yogurt

I like it

Kiimo 08-14-2022 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16411750)
George of the Jungle wouldn't be bad either.

Godzilla George

Terminator would be cool too.

Cyborg George

George Gigantor

G-Force


My friends have been calling him GK Maxx ever since this


https://i.imgur.com/zDbhvH9.png

KCUnited 08-14-2022 10:56 AM

Feta World No Peace

TwistedChief 08-14-2022 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16411883)
Yogurt

Yeah, I've always liked this one too. It's simple and fun. Furious George right behind.

Redbled 08-14-2022 12:15 PM

https://youtu.be/-6sP89M5vxg

Halfcan 08-14-2022 12:53 PM

^ Nice start for Karlabundle of sticksus!

JimNasium 08-14-2022 02:35 PM

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...6627.image.jpg How about Gorgeous George?
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Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 16411767)
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Chiefshrink 08-14-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16411409)
Karlaftis was impressive for sure. I am surprised by how fast and powerful he is. Has All Pro potential and this is no exageration. Eye test doesn't lie.

The good sign is that a 1st rd pick dominated 1st, 2nd team offenses as he should being a 1st rd pick especially with a beat up Bear o-line. He did what he 'should have been done'. He reminds me so much of JJ Watt IMHO. Let's hope he can stay healthy.:thumb:

Monticore 08-14-2022 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium (Post 16412255)

I’ll take the guy who is more likely to eat the others teams QB faces off rather than kiss them.

JimNasium 08-14-2022 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 16412396)
I’ll take the guy who is more likely to eat the others teams QB faces off rather than kiss them.

You never saw George wrestle.

Monticore 08-14-2022 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium (Post 16412456)
You never saw George wrestle.

I haven’t but the nickname itself probably would not be as effective in inducing fear in a sport like football, if you are trying to seduce the other team on the other hand it might be more effective than some of the others mentioned.

Tribal Warfare 08-14-2022 05:49 PM

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Coochie liquor 08-14-2022 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 16412311)
The good sign is that a 1st rd pick dominated 1st, 2nd team offenses as he should being a 1st rd pick especially with a beat up Bear o-line. He did what he 'should have been done'. He reminds me so much of JJ Watt IMHO. Let's hope he can stay healthy.:thumb:

Different position, but he has a Zack Thomas vibe to me.

St. Patty's Fire 08-14-2022 06:08 PM

greek freak is good

just leave it

also i think he’s a mix of jj watt, lawerence taylor, and aaron donald imo imho

JohnnyHammersticks 08-14-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16270756)
…This kid is going to be one of the best defensive players in Chiefs history. Not just good, not just an all-pro...one of the best defensive players in the history of the franchise. Book it.

Tripling down on what I said the day after we picked him.

Some guys you can just tell. Watched lots of his film, simulated him to us every time he was available in all the mock drafts I ran, but it wasn’t until I saw his interviews after we picked him that it hit me how good he was going to be.

Fan favorite by the end of this year.

Might sound crazy now, but I think Karlaftis will end up raising Chris Jones’s game to another level. Intra-team competition for the top alpha dog brings out the best in guys like Jones.

Holladay 08-14-2022 08:44 PM

I like the idea that he didn't have a sack dance pre-planned. Stays humble and raise a fist or nothing after a sack. "This won't be the first time nor the last time".

I don't think showboating is in his nature...just doing a job.

BryanBusby 08-14-2022 10:00 PM

I really don't give a **** if he air humped as a tribute to.banging your mother as long as he hits a QB.

Hammock Parties 08-15-2022 06:42 AM

the knee jerk reaction to a TC photo is the dumbest post i've ever made on here

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here he uses the same move (with better technique) to pull former 2nd round pick Teven Jenkins off balance and more susceptible to his rip move. This results in him pressuring the QB in just under 2 seconds and actually hitting him in around 3. <a href="https://t.co/RPMxEiLEcM">pic.twitter.com/RPMxEiLEcM</a></p>&mdash; Smartest Guy in the Zoom (@CBreezy_Edits) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBreezy_Edits/status/1558914141498261505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finally, here’s my fav play so far. Expecting a chip from the TE GK slows down putting him in poor position with the LT. Using his knowledge that “1 arm is longer than 2” that so many DL coaches preach, he makes up the lost ground and BULLYS the LT back and crushes the pocket. <a href="https://t.co/mjvV7LPtUP">pic.twitter.com/mjvV7LPtUP</a></p>&mdash; Smartest Guy in the Zoom (@CBreezy_Edits) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBreezy_Edits/status/1558914820660920323?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Karlaftis is the guy who only throws 91 but is dedicated to the craft of being a Pitcher rather than a Thrower!!</p>&mdash; SmallBaller (@denverrefugee) <a href="https://twitter.com/denverrefugee/status/1558952485032714241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

TwistedChief 08-15-2022 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16412810)
the knee jerk reaction to a TC photo is the dumbest post i've ever made on here

Well, that's not true, but it's good to have you on Team GK, buddy. Missed you.

O.city 08-15-2022 07:13 AM

Man, he looked good. Much more bendy than I had expected.

He definitely is a little TJ Watt ish to me in terms of the situation he's been put in.

smithandrew051 08-15-2022 07:30 AM

I still can’t believe we were able to sit tight and grab him at the end of the first

MVChiefFan 08-15-2022 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16412824)
I still can’t believe we were able to sit tight and grab him at the end of the first

I think it just goes to show you how many teams base decisions on stats and not true scouting like we seem to do. That’s how we grab so many mid to late round gems. Hopefully guys like Pacheco and Williams will fall into this category, too.

RealSNR 08-15-2022 07:56 AM

So maybe some of you will... what's the phrase again.... oh, yeah, shut the **** up... when you feel the need to judge a draft pick on draft night because HIS ARMS ARE TOO SHORT!!!!!!

smithandrew051 08-15-2022 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MVChiefFan (Post 16412830)
I think it just goes to show you how many teams base decisions on stats and not true scouting like we seem to do. That’s how we grab so many mid to late round gems. Hopefully guys like Pacheco and Williams will fall into this category, too.

I thought for sure the Patriots were taking him at 29.

They took a third round OL instead. I’m fairly confident their fans will be questioning that one for years.

Kman34 08-15-2022 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16412810)
the knee jerk reaction to a TC photo is the dumbest post i've ever made on here

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here he uses the same move (with better technique) to pull former 2nd round pick Teven Jenkins off balance and more susceptible to his rip move. This results in him pressuring the QB in just under 2 seconds and actually hitting him in around 3. <a href="https://t.co/RPMxEiLEcM">pic.twitter.com/RPMxEiLEcM</a></p>&mdash; Smartest Guy in the Zoom (@CBreezy_Edits) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBreezy_Edits/status/1558914141498261505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finally, here’s my fav play so far. Expecting a chip from the TE GK slows down putting him in poor position with the LT. Using his knowledge that “1 arm is longer than 2” that so many DL coaches preach, he makes up the lost ground and BULLYS the LT back and crushes the pocket. <a href="https://t.co/mjvV7LPtUP">pic.twitter.com/mjvV7LPtUP</a></p>&mdash; Smartest Guy in the Zoom (@CBreezy_Edits) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBreezy_Edits/status/1558914820660920323?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Karlaftis is the guy who only throws 91 but is dedicated to the craft of being a Pitcher rather than a Thrower!!</p>&mdash; SmallBaller (@denverrefugee) <a href="https://twitter.com/denverrefugee/status/1558952485032714241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Quit trying to evaluate talent and guessing what goes on behind the scenes and you will be ok.. Otherwise you just look like a dipshit.. I will give you respect for admitting you were wrong. Thumbs up.

RedinTexas 08-15-2022 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16412848)
So maybe some of you will... what's the phrase again.... oh, yeah, shut the **** up... when you feel the need to judge a draft pick on draft night because HIS ARMS ARE TOO SHORT!!!!!!

Talk about unrealistic expectations.

O.city 08-15-2022 08:49 AM

Seriously, his sack was....whew. The way he dropped his hips and turned on a dime.

That really shows he can bend and move. Jesus. That was impressive. Yeah yeah, I know it wasn't around the edge bend but that's essentially the same thing. If he can do that what he showed, from the LDE spot....whew.

Hammock Parties 08-15-2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16412903)
Seriously, his sack was....whew. The way he dropped his hips and turned on a dime.

That really shows he can bend and move. Jesus. That was impressive. Yeah yeah, I know it wasn't around the edge bend but that's essentially the same thing. If he can do that what he showed, from the LDE spot....whew.

tamba used move just like that

george is going to be a ****ing monster after a year in an NFL S&C program

RunKC 08-15-2022 08:59 AM

That first QB hit where he drove the LT into the QB was him showing off his ****ing hand and arm strength. Once he gets his hands on you it’s over.

Him showing that bend was excellent. That’s the 3 cone lateral agility coming into play. He really doesn’t look that much different than Aiden Hutchinson.

Really think this dude is getting 6-8 sacks this year. He’s gonna get that opportunity

O.city 08-15-2022 09:01 AM

He looked so much more fluid than I expected.

O.city 08-15-2022 09:02 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lot of George Karlaftis highlights out there from Saturday, but this jumps out too, especially for a player whose strength is his physicality. <a href="https://t.co/SVzxlrnC4W">pic.twitter.com/SVzxlrnC4W</a></p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@BJ_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/BJ_KCSN/status/1559030291313958915?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That change of direction was something I didn't think he had.

DJ's left nut 08-15-2022 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16412930)
He looked so much more fluid than I expected.

Just watch his Freshman tape. He absolutely showed it. He just got a little thicker as he matured and lost some of it.

He can shed some of that thickness, replace it with 'good weight' and be plenty mobile, especially as a SDE. He's gonna be a really solid, steady, productive player.

Still wish we had some speed on the opposite side of him, but beggers can't be choosers and maybe we'll get a speed guy next year. Or maybe Spags just doesn't care if we grab one.

O.city 08-15-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16412966)
Just watch his Freshman tape. He absolutely showed it. He just got a little thicker as he matured and lost some of it.

He can shed some of that thickness, replace it with 'good weight' and be plenty mobile, especially as a SDE. He's gonna be a really solid, steady, productive player.

Still wish we had some speed on the opposite side of him, but beggers can't be choosers and maybe we'll get a speed guy next year. Or maybe Spags just doesn't care if we grab one.

Yeah, I'd love to have a pure speed guy there. I'd imagine that's a guy you're gonna have to either draft via a trade up, coach up or sign in FA.

In regards to Karlaftis, that's an ideal absolute perfect pick in the late first if that's all he turns in to. I think he has the tools man, I was pleasantly surprised.

DJ's left nut 08-15-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16412974)
Yeah, I'd love to have a pure speed guy there. I'd imagine that's a guy you're gonna have to either draft via a trade up, coach up or sign in FA.

In regards to Karlaftis, that's an ideal absolute perfect pick in the late first if that's all he turns in to. I think he has the tools man, I was pleasantly surprised.

Nah - there are speed rushers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds every year. Bonitto, Jackson, Sanders, etc...

You're not gonna get a Myles Garrett sort who's just a mountain w/ speed rusher speed. But you can find guys who emphasize speed over power on the 2nd day. Man I'm gonna be bummed out if Sam Williams becomes who I think he can...

O.city 08-15-2022 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16412985)
Nah - there are speed rushers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds every year. Bonitto, Jackson, Sanders, etc...

You're not gonna get a Myles Garrett sort who's just a mountain w/ speed rusher speed. But you can find guys who emphasize speed over power on the 2nd day. Man I'm gonna be bummed out if Sam Williams becomes who I think he can...

Yeah, there were a couple guys that I'd have liked there too. Ebikite and Mafe and Williams.

But it's seeming like we hit well on who we picked, so oh well I guess.

ThyKingdomCome15 08-15-2022 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16412931)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lot of George Karlaftis highlights out there from Saturday, but this jumps out too, especially for a player whose strength is his physicality. <a href="https://t.co/SVzxlrnC4W">pic.twitter.com/SVzxlrnC4W</a></p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@BJ_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/BJ_KCSN/status/1559030291313958915?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That change of direction was something I didn't think he had.

Very twitchy in nearly every facet of his game.

DJ's left nut 08-15-2022 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16413067)
Yeah, there were a couple guys that I'd have liked there too. Ebikite and Mafe and Williams.

But it's seeming like we hit well on who we picked, so oh well I guess.

Yeah - if the guys we picked are ballplayers, we'll be fine. Just gotta get guys who can play and let the chips fall.

Still doesn't explain how passive we were in FA, but it is what it is. They clearly believe in Frank Clark...

ThyKingdomCome15 08-15-2022 10:22 AM

I see Derek Thomas, Reggie White, and LT all wrapped up into one big Greek Freak.

O.city 08-15-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413089)
Yeah - if the guys we picked are ballplayers, we'll be fine. Just gotta get guys who can play and let the chips fall.

Still doesn't explain how passive we were in FA, but it is what it is. They clearly believe in Frank Clark...

It kinda seems like they've got "big ticket DE free agent" tee'd up for this offesason.

DJ's left nut 08-15-2022 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16413102)
It kinda seems like they've got "big ticket DE free agent" tee'd up for this offesason.

There's a lot of young talent on this squad that they're gonna need to pay for in the coming years. The Bolton/Creed/Smith/Sneed/Gay crop is gonna get pretty hefty raises.

Gotta be wary of big ticket free agents when you have some good young core players that can absolutely be valuable long-term contributors.

O.city 08-15-2022 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413136)
There's a lot of young talent on this squad that they're gonna need to pay for in the coming years. The Bolton/Creed/Smith/Sneed/Gay crop is gonna get pretty hefty raises.

Gotta be wary of big ticket free agents when you have some good young core players that can absolutely be valuable long-term contributors.

I don't think you can keep that group together though right? I mean, it's possible and preferable, but it seems like it may be a "Gay or Bolton" and "Creed or SMith" situation?

RunKC 08-15-2022 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413136)
There's a lot of young talent on this squad that they're gonna need to pay for in the coming years. The Bolton/Creed/Smith/Sneed/Gay crop is gonna get pretty hefty raises.

Gotta be wary of big ticket free agents when you have some good young core players that can absolutely be valuable long-term contributors.

I don’t think we’re extending Smith or Sneed. Maybe not Gay either if his price tag is ridiculous

The Franchise 08-15-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16413142)
I don't think you can keep that group together though right? I mean, it's possible and preferable, but it seems like it may be a "Gay or Bolton" and "Creed or SMith" situation?

I think you can totally keep Creed and Smith. By the time their contracts are up....Thuney is probably gone. Now that's all going to depend on Brown as well.

Bolton and Gay are interesting though. I saw a tweet that they got Chenal work with the green dot in the first preseason game so that he could be the back up at MLB to Bolton. Obviously that doesn't mean that Bolton is gone after his rookie deal.

TwistedChief 08-15-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16413149)
I saw a tweet that they got Chenal work with the green dot in the first preseason game so that he could be the back up at MLB to Bolton. Obviously that doesn't mean that Bolton is gone after his rookie deal.

Yup, I think that's why you saw him play so much when he did in the second half. They wanted him to get reps at that MLB position.

DJ's left nut 08-15-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16413142)
I don't think you can keep that group together though right? I mean, it's possible and preferable, but it seems like it may be a "Gay or Bolton" and "Creed or SMith" situation?

It would be hard, for sure. There's not a lot of fat left on this roster and few true luxury items. I would say that Thuney is the only 'excess' in that regard. Jones won't be back at his number either.

I'm inclined to agree that some of those guys will walk - but you want to keep your options open if possible. I really was disappointed we couldn't get a deal done with Ward LAST season because he seemed due for a breakout and a potential value contract. If you have some wiggle room, you can be a little more proactive in trying to find guys like that. Hardman's really the only guy you might be able to get a pre breakout discount on right now (who's extension eligible) but next year there will be a few of them in that category.

If Gay were extension eligible I'd be all over that. I think he's gonna bust out biggly this season.

DJ's left nut 08-15-2022 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16413154)
Yup, I think that's why you saw him play so much when he did in the second half. They wanted him to get reps at that MLB position.

I just think they wanted him to get reps - period.

His nose for contact and his athleticism really do jump out at you. But man he looks lost in space sometimes. He needs experience in a big way and it's going to be hard to get him that during live-fire games because some of the mistakes he would be prone to making will be complete breakdowns that can lead directly to points.

I'd like to see him play a ton this pre-season.

The Franchise 08-15-2022 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413155)
It would be hard, for sure. There's not a lot of fat left on this roster and few true luxury items. I would say that Thuney is the only 'excess' in that regard. Jones won't be back at his number either.

I'm inclined to agree that some of those guys will walk - but you want to keep your options open if possible. I really was disappointed we couldn't get a deal done with Ward LAST season because he seemed due for a breakout and a potential value contract. If you have some wiggle room, you can be a little more proactive in trying to find guys like that. Hardman's really the only guy you might be able to get a pre breakout discount on right now (who's extension eligible) but next year there will be a few of them in that category.

If Gay were extension eligible I'd be all over that. I think he's gonna bust out biggly this season.

I think you might see the Chiefs try and bring back Juju if he has a solid year this year. Kelce is getting older and Juju should feast in those short to intermediate routes.

Plus is he really going to want to move on from having Mahomes at QB?

DJ's left nut 08-15-2022 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16413162)
I think you might see the Chiefs try and bring back Juju if he has a solid year this year. Kelce is getting older and Juju should feast in those short to intermediate routes.

Plus is he really going to want to move on from having Mahomes at QB?

No question; but there's probably a sweet spot. If he plays like he played in 2018 I don't think they'll want to pay for him. If he plays like he played in 2020, he won't have demonstrated that he's worth retaining.

I think the 2019 version of him (but pro-rated over a full season) comes back on a 3 year, $45 million type deal. But that Kirk contract screwed up the WR market so much that we may just be in for a few years of letting the first wave of FA sort itself out before we jump in on the second tiers.

Every 900+ yard receiver in the league is going to think he's worth Kirk's deal and won't sign early if you aren't offering it. So we may have to slow-play the position for a bit.

The Franchise 08-15-2022 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413166)
No question; but there's probably a sweet spot. If he plays like he played in 2018 I don't think they'll want to pay for him. If he plays like he played in 2020, he won't have demonstrated that he's worth retaining.

I think the 2019 version of him (but pro-rated over a full season) comes back on a 3 year, $45 million type deal. But that Kirk contract screwed up the WR market so much that we may just be in for a few years of letting the first wave of FA sort itself out before we jump in on the second tiers.

Every 900+ yard receiver in the league is going to think he's worth Kirk's deal and won't sign early if you aren't offering it. So we may have to slow-play the position for a bit.

All true. Juju doesn't seem like the kind of guy to try and squeeze out every penny he can get. The dude took less money to stay in Pitt because they were loyal to him and then he took what basically amounts to a prove it deal in KC because of Mahomes/Reid.

If he has a decent season....I think he'd come back for a deal that's a little below market value. He generally seems like he loves it here.

Hoover 08-15-2022 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16413177)
All true. Juju doesn't seem like the kind of guy to try and squeeze out every penny he can get. The dude took less money to stay in Pitt because they were loyal to him and then he took what basically amounts to a prove it deal in KC because of Mahomes/Reid.

If he has a decent season....I think he'd come back for a deal that's a little below market value. He generally seems like he loves it here.

I think if JuJu finds success in KC, he's likely to not just be out there looking for the most money he can get. You can keep him so long as it's a fair deal IMO. Hardman is the interesting one for me. It sure feels like the absence of Hill has made Mecole able to be himself. I think he's going to have a big year.

BossChief 08-15-2022 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413160)
I just think they wanted him to get reps - period.

His nose for contact and his athleticism really do jump out at you. But man he looks lost in space sometimes. He needs experience in a big way and it's going to be hard to get him that during live-fire games because some of the mistakes he would be prone to making will be complete breakdowns that can lead directly to points.

I'd like to see him play a ton this pre-season.

I’ve heard a couple people say Chenal has been slower than the rest of the class to pick up the playbook and individual responsibility class work.

Chieftain 08-15-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16412824)
I still can’t believe we were able to sit tight and grab him at the end of the first

Green Bay had two chances to grab Karlaftis but their dumb GM opted for Walker and Wyatt. Same thing he did last year when Humphrey was sitting on his lap yet he opted for Josh Myers.
Having dumb GMs from the opposing teams is what enables dynasties like the Chiefs.

Megatron96 08-15-2022 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16413194)
I’ve heard a couple people say Chenal has been slower than the rest of the class to pick up the playbook and individual responsibility class work.

He just isn’t familiar with playing coverage. But he’s going to work as hard as anyone to get there. It might take until next season, but I’m not worried.

On anything downhill the guy has s a beast. He’s going to be a great addition vs. the run, flares, screens, and rushing the QB this year.

O.city 08-15-2022 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16413149)
I think you can totally keep Creed and Smith. By the time their contracts are up....Thuney is probably gone. Now that's all going to depend on Brown as well.

Bolton and Gay are interesting though. I saw a tweet that they got Chenal work with the green dot in the first preseason game so that he could be the back up at MLB to Bolton. Obviously that doesn't mean that Bolton is gone after his rookie deal.

Yeah, I think it's a good idea to always look ahead.

As much as I like Bolton, I'd think Gay's athleticism would put his upside a bit higher on who I'd like to keep but we're way out in the future here.

O.city 08-15-2022 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413155)
It would be hard, for sure. There's not a lot of fat left on this roster and few true luxury items. I would say that Thuney is the only 'excess' in that regard. Jones won't be back at his number either.

I'm inclined to agree that some of those guys will walk - but you want to keep your options open if possible. I really was disappointed we couldn't get a deal done with Ward LAST season because he seemed due for a breakout and a potential value contract. If you have some wiggle room, you can be a little more proactive in trying to find guys like that. Hardman's really the only guy you might be able to get a pre breakout discount on right now (who's extension eligible) but next year there will be a few of them in that category.

If Gay were extension eligible I'd be all over that. I think he's gonna bust out biggly this season.

Seeing as it will be hard and they are all at positions that may be a little easier to find, it may be best to fill those via draft picks and find your DE or what not thru FA.

Hammock Parties 08-15-2022 12:18 PM

damn, nice

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">George Karlaftis with the hand flash and bend around the corner �� <a href="https://t.co/63VSmSfujj">pic.twitter.com/63VSmSfujj</a></p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) <a href="https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1559238415538966536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BossChief 08-15-2022 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16413269)
damn, nice

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">George Karlaftis with the hand flash and bend around the corner �� <a href="https://t.co/63VSmSfujj">pic.twitter.com/63VSmSfujj</a></p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) <a href="https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1559238415538966536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’s George knowing the guy blocking him has absolutely no chance before the snap.

Another thing that speaks to his coachability is watching last weeks the franchise show and watching them work while I was at camp, a big thing they keep pressing George on is to keep reaching fir the play as he gets close and you see him do it EVERY SINGLE TIME against Chicago.

This kids going to be really special.

RunKC 08-15-2022 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413155)
It would be hard, for sure. There's not a lot of fat left on this roster and few true luxury items. I would say that Thuney is the only 'excess' in that regard. Jones won't be back at his number either.

I'm inclined to agree that some of those guys will walk - but you want to keep your options open if possible. I really was disappointed we couldn't get a deal done with Ward LAST season because he seemed due for a breakout and a potential value contract. If you have some wiggle room, you can be a little more proactive in trying to find guys like that. Hardman's really the only guy you might be able to get a pre breakout discount on right now (who's extension eligible) but next year there will be a few of them in that category.

If Gay were extension eligible I'd be all over that. I think he's gonna bust out biggly this season.

See I think that’s why we won’t extend Sneed. McDuffie should be able to fit right in for him when that time comes.

This staff has just had so much success at corner it’s ridiculous. Breeland, Ward, Fuller, Sneed, Fenton. They’ve all played very well here.

I think you’re seeing it more now too with McDuffie and Williams

boilertiger 08-15-2022 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16412966)
Just watch his Freshman tape. He absolutely showed it. He just got a little thicker as he matured and lost some of it.

He can shed some of that thickness, replace it with 'good weight' and be plenty mobile, especially as a SDE. He's gonna be a really solid, steady, productive player.

Still wish we had some speed on the opposite side of him, but beggers can't be choosers and maybe we'll get a speed guy next year. Or maybe Spags just doesn't care if we grab one.

Another thing about GK is he basically was always double teamed after his Freshman year so anything he did involved him fighting through two dudes at least. Purdue defensive line was solid last year, but it's not like they are an SEC school where there are 4 first round picks at least. It's almost hard to evaluate his tape as a sophomore/junior because he rarely got any matchups where he could demonstrate his pass rushing skills.

jettio 08-15-2022 01:14 PM

I do not know the situation with the Bears OL, but it may be the case that Karlaftis faced better on some of his Saturdays in the Big 10.

He does look good.

Chiefs should work out some scoreboard graphic that gets the whole crowd saying "Opa" like everyone is toasting with Ouzo when he makes a sack or big play.

Pitt Gorilla 08-15-2022 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16413269)
damn, nice

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">George Karlaftis with the hand flash and bend around the corner �� <a href="https://t.co/63VSmSfujj">pic.twitter.com/63VSmSfujj</a></p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) <a href="https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1559238415538966536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'd love to know how that isn't a hold. Karlaftis isn't even slowed until he's by the tackle.

Pitt Gorilla 08-15-2022 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16413160)
I just think they wanted him to get reps - period.

His nose for contact and his athleticism really do jump out at you. But man he looks lost in space sometimes. He needs experience in a big way and it's going to be hard to get him that during live-fire games because some of the mistakes he would be prone to making will be complete breakdowns that can lead directly to points.

I'd like to see him play a ton this pre-season.

I think that's always going to be the case, to some extent. He's simply not a coverage guy, but that doesn't mean he can't improve a bit.

ptlyon 08-15-2022 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16413355)
I do not know the situation with the Bears OL, but it may be the case that Karlaftis faced better on some of his Saturdays in the Big 10.

He does look good.

Chiefs should work out some scoreboard graphic that gets the whole crowd saying "Opa" like everyone is toasting with Ouzo when he makes a sack or big play.

Gyros for sacks

Hammock Parties 08-15-2022 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 16413355)
I do not know the situation with the Bears OL, but it may be the case that Karlaftis faced better on some of his Saturdays in the Big 10.

He does look good.

Chiefs should work out some scoreboard graphic that gets the whole crowd saying "Opa" like everyone is toasting with Ouzo when he makes a sack or big play.

can't wait for plate-smashing night at arrowhead

will be hell on the cleanup crew

Sorce 08-15-2022 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16411715)
i still think it should be karlafogus LMAO

Kelce called him that in an interview, this is the way.

O.city 08-15-2022 01:43 PM

Jenkins looked pretty solid for the Bears. Wish they'd trade him to us.

Chris Meck 08-15-2022 04:59 PM

hot take #1 on Furious George was that he'd have a better career than Thibodeaux.

My hot take #2: He's going to hit 10 sacks this season.

Book it.

staylor26 08-15-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16413413)
Jenkins looked pretty solid for the Bears. Wish they'd trade him to us.

Send them Niang and a 4th/5th.

raybec 4 08-15-2022 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16413144)
I don’t think we’re extending Smith or Sneed. Maybe not Gay either if his price tag is ridiculous

What makes you think that about Smith specifically? Sneed i can see because corners are pricy but Smith and Creed are both cornerstones to keeping Mahomes upright.

JohnnyHammersticks 08-15-2022 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16413067)
Yeah, there were a couple guys that I'd have liked there too. Ebikite and Mafe and Williams.

But it's seeming like we hit well on who we picked, so oh well I guess.

I was kinda meh on Mafe but after watching him the other night it looks like I was dead wrong. He looked awesome.

I like Cook. I think we needed a banger for depth at Safety, and it looks like he has the potential to fill that role very well. But I was really high on Travis Jones and he looked really good the other night too. Looked like a perfect fit for what we need next to Jones in the middle of the DL. Big, strong, and quick. Pursued better than I expected, he plays way faster than I realized. He was still on the board when we picked Cook.

Dante84 08-15-2022 06:15 PM

George is going to be frustrating to watch because he is going to be held on *every* single play the way Tamba was.

It was so frustrating watching Tamba get an arm around his neck or his jersey pulled on each pass rush because they know the ref can't call it all game long.

TwistedChief 08-15-2022 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16413880)
George is going to be frustrating to watch because he is going to be held on *every* single play the way Tamba was.

It was so frustrating watching Tamba get an arm around his neck or his jersey pulled on each pass rush because they know the ref can't call it all game long.

I'm okay crossing that bridge when we get to it if he's that good.


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