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raybec 4 03-09-2023 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16846373)
My sister just saw him at the Hyvee in Prairie Village. Wearing a Chiefs jersey.

Ok gang......

JohnnyHammersticks 03-09-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16846380)
Ok gang......

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Wisconsin_Chief 03-09-2023 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16846373)
My sister just saw him at the Hyvee in Prairie Village. Wearing a Chiefs jersey.

He’s not even keeping it subtle! Love it!

kcclone 03-09-2023 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16846156)
My point was he isn't going to be a good soldier in a bad situation which other NFL teams understand as well.

So we are a prime place where DHop could go and thrive.


How do you know that again??… oh yeah, it’s made up.

Abba-Dabba 03-09-2023 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16845973)
On AZ Radio they talking about Hopkins and they stated from what they are hearing from the team is Hopkins asked to be traded and they did not want to put effort into doing so BUT if he wanted to have "An Agent" go out and try to get a trade done here is what we would want in compensation to trade you.

While I totally agree he wants a new deal it was also reported that Hopkins is willing to play on those two years and that its mainly about winning not all about money.

I think his new agent will go looking for interested WIN NOW teams with the asking price of what the Cards want as the main objective. Contract will probably be secondary.

AZ radio can say whatever they want. However, what came out of DHop's mouth is that he has an agent so he doesn't get the short end of the stick this time. I would tend to pay attention to what the player is saying rather than some knucklehead on the radio.

If 20 million dollars is taking the short end of the stick to him. Oh my... what is the middle?

What you think the agent will be looking for is vastly different than what any agent is hired to do. They are hired to maximize their clients earnings. An agent has zero interest to make team friendly deals. That is only on the player.

And guess what that player is saying with the words out of his mouth? 20 million is the short end of the stick.

Megatron96 03-09-2023 07:09 PM

Welp, if we get Nijman from GB, the whole problem of how to pay for DHop goes away. Let's ****ing go get ourselves a top-10 WR and steamroll in 2023!!!

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 07:15 PM

Don't look at me, I want to let Juju walk, too. I think we can get the same production from Moore with a little JWat and a draftee. Juju was good value at less than $10m. Above that? Nah. Just go get Paris Campbell.

Abba-Dabba 03-09-2023 07:19 PM

I've been all aboard drafting Jonathan Mingo to replace JuJu if he plays the cash in game.

I'd draft Mingo anyway just to be able move on in 2024.

dtrain 03-09-2023 07:22 PM

https://bleacherreport.com/videos/39...trade-for-dhop
A trade proposal

Megatron96 03-09-2023 07:24 PM

Meh. Parris Campbell is basically a younger version of JJSS. Doesn't move the needle.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16846470)
I've been all aboard drafting Jonathan Mingo to replace JuJu if he plays the cash in game.

I'd draft Mingo anyway just to be able move on in 2024.

Is he any relation to Barkevius? That was the best name ever. Barkevius Mingo. Sounds like a Harry Potter villain or something.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846481)
Meh. Parris Campbell is basically a younger version of JJSS. Doesn't move the needle.

The needle is world championship, #1 offense in the NFL. You don't really need to 'move the needle'.

Campbell still has some upside. He's had shit QB play almost his entire career. Juju is not going to get healthier.

Abba-Dabba 03-09-2023 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846482)
Is he any relation to Barkevius? That was the best name ever. Barkevius Mingo. Sounds like a Harry Potter villain or something.

Have no clue.

I've been always partial to Mysty Hyman though.

Megatron96 03-09-2023 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846483)
The needle is world championship, #1 offense in the NFL. You don't really need to 'move the needle'.

Campbell still has some upside. He's had shit QB play almost his entire career. Juju is not going to get healthier.

So, we don't need players that move the needle? We're content to field players that are just JAGs? Sounds an awful lot like the GB Way to me. Thought we weren't going down that road?

If we're not going to try and acquire great players, why settle for JAGs? Why not step up in class, even a little? I mean, i know we're really not getting DHop, but Parris Campbell? Parris, statistically, is about as JAG as it gets. Y/C is a paltry 6.8. He played 16 games for 623 yards. 30.7 yds/gm for his career. 36yds/gm for 2022.

He's nearly invisible. Upside? there's almost nowhere to go but up.

Gotta be some JAG out there that's more productive than this guy.

jerryaldini 03-09-2023 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16846386)
He’s not even keeping it subtle! Love it!

Dhop and Lewan competing for who can be most obvious about wanting to be a chief!

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846500)
So, we don't need players that move the needle? We're content to field players that are just JAGs? Sounds an awful lot like the GB Way to me. Thought we weren't going down that road?

If we're not going to try and acquire great players, why settle for JAGs? Why not step up in class, even a little? I mean, i know we're really not getting DHop, but Parris Campbell? Parris, statistically, is about as JAG as it gets. Y/C is a paltry 6.8. He played 16 games for 623 yards. 30.7 yds/gm for his career. 36yds/gm for 2022.

He's nearly invisible. Upside? there's almost nowhere to go but up.

Gotta be some JAG out there that's more productive than this guy.

You can stick your Green Bay way right up your ass. We're going to do the Kansas City Chiefs way that just won us second Super Bowl.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 16846529)
Dhop and Lewan competing for who can be most obvious about wanting to be a chief!

Until the money comes up. Lol

Megatron96 03-09-2023 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846535)
You can stick your Green Bay way right up your ass. We're going to do the Kansas City Chiefs way that just won us second Super Bowl.

Hey, it was just a question. I'm not a fan of filling the WR room with cast-off JAGs. Sue me.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846540)
Hey, it was just a question. I'm not a fan of filling the WR room with cast-off JAGs. Sue me.

We're filling the WR room with ROLE PLAYERS, because that's what you can afford to do when you're paying your QB 23% of your cap. A group of diverse skillsets.

We're not signing an over 30 WR for $20m per. Get over it.

We won't have a gamebreaker at WR unless Toney stays healthy or we draft and develop one. Not for at least a couple of years.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 08:04 PM

We literally just won a Super Bowl doing things a certain way, and it's a month later, and some of you guys want to go back to stars and scrubs-only a LESSER version of that. I mean, what the ****?

Hopkins is no Tyreek Hill. And defenses turned Hill into a possession receiver. And you guys want to go backwards? With an over 30 Hopkins?

This is dumb.

We're on a course, it's proven successful, stay the course. We need maximum value per cap dollar spent. Mahomes plus best 52.

This is the way.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846500)
So, we don't need players that move the needle? We're content to field players that are just JAGs? Sounds an awful lot like the GB Way to me. Thought we weren't going down that road?

While we're deriding 'The Green Bay way'-which we've ALREADY been more successful than the last twenty plus years of 'The Green Bay way' has it ever occurred to you that perhaps they did things the way they have done them because they've been paying an elite QB on their cap for literally THIRTY YEARS now? I mean, you think maybe that might have something to do with it?

You think maybe paying an elite QB as such means you can't have everything else you want? Maybe? Just spitballing.

DRM08 03-09-2023 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846558)
We literally just won a Super Bowl doing things a certain way, and it's a month later, and some of you guys want to go back to stars and scrubs-only a LESSER version of that. I mean, what the ****?

Hopkins is no Tyreek Hill. And defenses turned Hill into a possession receiver. And you guys want to go backwards? With an over 30 Hopkins?

This is dumb.

We're on a course, it's proven successful, stay the course. We need maximum value per cap dollar spent. Mahomes plus best 52.

This is the way.

I think it's way more important to give Mahomes a good OL than superstar WR's.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16846575)
I think it's way more important to give Mahomes a good OL than superstar WR's.

Yep.

'Green Bay way'. Horseshit.

This is how the Patriots operated when they won 7 Super Bowls. They cut dudes loose when they got too expensive, they signed cheap vets, they protected Brady, and they drafted well. And a lot of years that offense was totally different from the year before.

And it worked until they stopped drafting well.

I see no reason why Veach is going to start failing when it sure looks like he's just hitting his stride.

Megatron96 03-09-2023 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846558)
We literally just won a Super Bowl doing things a certain way, and it's a month later, and some of you guys want to go back to stars and scrubs-only a LESSER version of that. I mean, what the ****?

Hopkins is no Tyreek Hill. And defenses turned Hill into a possession receiver. And you guys want to go backwards? With an over 30 Hopkins?

This is dumb.

We're on a course, it's proven successful, stay the course. We need maximum value per cap dollar spent. Mahomes plus best 52.

This is the way.

Not to quibble with your logic, but we also lost to BUF 24-20 and CIN 27-24 in 2022. Not to put too fine a point on it, we lost those games because we couldn't score points, because we were fielding those same role players. And if not for the Damar thing, we might not have gotten the 1-seed.

So the fact that that it worked once, well, let's be honest and admit there was a few mitigating factors that helped us out along the way.

I get that acquiring DHop would probably mess up the careful architecture of what Veach's put together the last three or so years. I get that it would probably mean letting some good players go earlier than expected, like Sneed/Gay/Bolton. It might. It's even likely.

But again, I'm not necessarily hung up on DHop or bust. He's just convenient as an example.

But Parris? Come on, we can't do better than that? One step up in class isn't worth a look? Maybe just peek at a good WR2 (WR between 33 and 42?)?

Toney goes out for any significant length of time, which is somewhat likely, and it's:

MVS

Skyy

Watson (if he comes back)

Ross (if either is healthy enough)

Kemp/Powell/Fryfogle???

And what happens if Kelce misses any time? That's the crew you want to roll with? How much can Pat carry?

Here's the thing: You seem to see 2022 as a blueprint for how to move forward. I see it as something of an aberration. A lot of lucky things happened. Like a 7th round rookie suddenly becoming a top-tier RB1. Another 7th round rook being thrust into a starting role, and not only playing well enough, but making a few big plays.

And so on. That doesn't make it the only best way. it just means we have incredible coaching, generational talents at both QB and TE, and a few things just bounced in our favor.

Simply putting some better quality pieces out there means needing less luck. They don't have to be Elite, but they shouldn't have to be JAGs either.

chiefforlife 03-09-2023 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846580)
Yep.

'Green Bay way'. Horseshit.

This is how the Patriots operated when they won 7 Super Bowls. They cut dudes loose when they got too expensive, they signed cheap vets, they protected Brady, and they drafted well. And a lot of years that offense was totally different from the year before.

And it worked until they stopped drafting well.

I see no reason why Veach is going to start failing when it sure looks like he's just hitting his stride.

AND they traded for Randy Moss at 30 years old...

Couch-Potato 03-09-2023 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16846575)
I think it's way more important to give Mahomes a good OL than superstar WR's.

I think THIS is something everyone can agree on!

Couch-Potato 03-09-2023 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846580)
Yep.

'Green Bay way'. Horseshit.

This is how the Patriots operated when they won 7 Super Bowls. They cut dudes loose when they got too expensive, they signed cheap vets, they protected Brady, and they drafted well. And a lot of years that offense was totally different from the year before.

And it worked until they stopped drafting well.

I see no reason why Veach is going to start failing when it sure looks like he's just hitting his stride.

Yep, this is the way. But I would argue it's a delicate balance of retaining your star talent and letting overpriced players walk.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846597)
Not to quibble with your logic, but we also lost to BUF 24-20 and CIN 27-24 in 2022. Not to put too fine a point on it, we lost those games because we couldn't score points, because we were fielding those same role players. And if not for the Damar thing, we might not have gotten the 1-seed.

We lost those games because it's the ****ing NFL and those were really good teams at that particular point in time and it's hard to win ANY game, let alone ALMOST ALL OF THEM year in and year out.

I just threw Parris Campbell out as a possible guy that's been with shit QB play and might do better with like, you know, the best QB. His stats suck because-DID YOU SEE THE DUMPSTER FIRE THAT OFFENSE WAS? I mean, the wheels hadn't fallen off yet when they played us. But good gods, was it shit by the end of the season.

I'm not all in on Campbell. I'm not ALL IN on anyone. It's a shit FA class.

But we're not going to go trade for a #1WR so fantasy football geeks can feel good about seeing one guy with big numbers to jerk off to. Not when we need TWO OT's, a DE, and at least two DT's.

Just because you find unproven guys unsettling doesn't mean the Chiefs do. Andy and Veach know what they're doing and projecting your youngsters is going to be really important until Mahomes cap percentage levels off.

You don't have to like it, but you DO have to accept it.

Because it's happening, it already started last year.

Maybe these guys know what they're doing. I don't know. Kind of seems like it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they pass on Juju at anywhere near $10m. I'm certain they'll bring back JWat.

If they're going to bring an an over 30 WR, it'll be someone like Thielen on a cheap deal to be a steady-Eddie. It won't be a big splash.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16846610)
Yep, this is the way. But I would argue it's a delicate balance of retaining your star talent and letting overpriced players walk.

Exactly.

But if you're paying market price for someone else's stars, you're going to have to let yours walk sooner or later. It's just math.

I'd rather not pay a Hopkins if it means I have to let Sneed, or Gay, or Creed, or Smith walk in a year or two.

And if it precludes me from getting guys to protect Mahomes or kill the opposing QB. I'd rather put any money we have into THAT and figure the rest will work out.

I'd like to see a healthy Mahomes in the Super Bowl for a change. This one legged shit is getting old.

BleedingRed 03-09-2023 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846558)
We literally just won a Super Bowl doing things a certain way, and it's a month later, and some of you guys want to go back to stars and scrubs-only a LESSER version of that. I mean, what the ****?

Hopkins is no Tyreek Hill. And defenses turned Hill into a possession receiver. And you guys want to go backwards? With an over 30 Hopkins?

This is dumb.

We're on a course, it's proven successful, stay the course. We need maximum value per cap dollar spent. Mahomes plus best 52.

This is the way.

Reek and Hopkins are not remotely simular types of recievers.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16846599)
AND they traded for Randy Moss at 30 years old...

Randy Moss had washed out on two previous stops and revived his career in New England. They got him for a fourth round pick.

Not the same thing, at all.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16846639)
Reek and Hopkins are not remotely simular types of recievers.

Similar.

And no, they're not, and Hopkins is a very good receiver that if you're going to PAY him like a #1, you're going to NOT pay the role players you have, like MVS, and you're going to throw the ball to Hopkins 100+ times a season. Just like you did Tyreek. You HAVE to, because you're PAYING FOR THAT PRODUCTION.

Otherwise, it's a waste of cap space.

So, you're back to stars and scrubs, and with a lesser WR in Hopkins-who's very, very good, but not Tyreek Hill. Teams sit in two deep and take him away and you've paid a very expensive decoy.

Megatron96 03-09-2023 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846625)
We lost those games because it's the ****ing NFL and those were really good teams at that particular point in time and it's hard to win ANY game, let alone ALMOST ALL OF THEM year in and year out.

I just threw Parris Campbell out as a possible guy that's been with shit QB play and might do better with like, you know, the best QB. His stats suck because-DID YOU SEE THE DUMPSTER FIRE THAT OFFENSE WAS? I mean, the wheels hadn't fallen off yet when they played us. But good gods, was it shit by the end of the season.

I'm not all in on Campbell. I'm not ALL IN on anyone. It's a shit FA class.

But we're not going to go trade for a #1WR so fantasy football geeks can feel good about seeing one guy with big numbers to jerk off to. Not when we need TWO OT's, a DE, and at least two DT's.

Just because you find unproven guys unsettling doesn't mean the Chiefs do. Andy and Veach know what they're doing and projecting your youngsters is going to be really important until Mahomes cap percentage levels off.

You don't have to like it, but you DO have to accept it.

Because it's happening, it already started last year.

Maybe these guys know what they're doing. I don't know. Kind of seems like it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they pass on Juju at anywhere near $10m. I'm certain they'll bring back JWat.

If they're going to bring an an over 30 WR, it'll be someone like Thielen on a cheap deal to be a steady-Eddie. It won't be a big splash.

We lost those games because no one got open before Pat had to scramble or otherwise pull it down. You can watch him raise the ball, then pull it down on multiple snaps, sometimes more than once during a single play, because our role players couldn't get open in time. Now, yes, that's because those guys get paid too, but it's also because JAGs rarely get open vs. good defenders.

And I mentioned Thielen last season during the IND circus GDT, so I'm aware that he's a likely target for Veach. At least he's probably a better overall WR than JJSS, but the difference isn't much, if any.

chiefforlife 03-09-2023 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846643)
Similar.

And no, they're not, and Hopkins is a very good receiver that if you're going to PAY him like a #1, you're going to NOT pay the role players you have, like MVS, and you're going to throw the ball to Hopkins 100+ times a season. Just like you did Tyreek. You HAVE to, because you're PAYING FOR THAT PRODUCTION.

Otherwise, it's a waste of cap space.

So, you're back to stars and scrubs, and with a lesser WR in Hopkins-who's very, very good, but not Tyreek Hill. Teams sit in two deep and take him away and you've paid a very expensive decoy.

I get what you are saying here but...

They arent Paying D Hop anywhere near what Tyreek got. His contract is very reasonable for the next two years, well below his talent level.

Depending on what JuJu gets, estimates are 12-18/year. D Hop is in that range, heck he could be cheaper! 19 and 14 the next two years so 16.5 average.

If they got Hopkins then JJSS isnt coming back. That isnt much more money for a HUGE upgrade.

So this isnt Stars and Scrubbs. Its upgrading one position, a very important one, for not much more money.

He doesnt have to feed Hopkins, unless hes open, which he usually is. Hopkins wants to WIN.

DRM08 03-09-2023 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846597)
Not to quibble with your logic, but we also lost to BUF 24-20 and CIN 27-24 in 2022. Not to put too fine a point on it, we lost those games because we couldn't score points, because we were fielding those same role players. And if not for the Damar thing, we might not have gotten the 1-seed.

So the fact that that it worked once, well, let's be honest and admit there was a few mitigating factors that helped us out along the way.

I get that acquiring DHop would probably mess up the careful architecture of what Veach's put together the last three or so years. I get that it would probably mean letting some good players go earlier than expected, like Sneed/Gay/Bolton. It might. It's even likely.

But again, I'm not necessarily hung up on DHop or bust. He's just convenient as an example.

But Parris? Come on, we can't do better than that? One step up in class isn't worth a look? Maybe just peek at a good WR2 (WR between 33 and 42?)?

Toney goes out for any significant length of time, which is somewhat likely, and it's:

MVS

Skyy

Watson (if he comes back)

Ross (if either is healthy enough)

Kemp/Powell/Fryfogle???

And what happens if Kelce misses any time? That's the crew you want to roll with? How much can Pat carry?

Here's the thing: You seem to see 2022 as a blueprint for how to move forward. I see it as something of an aberration. A lot of lucky things happened. Like a 7th round rookie suddenly becoming a top-tier RB1. Another 7th round rook being thrust into a starting role, and not only playing well enough, but making a few big plays.

And so on. That doesn't make it the only best way. it just means we have incredible coaching, generational talents at both QB and TE, and a few things just bounced in our favor.

Simply putting some better quality pieces out there means needing less luck. They don't have to be Elite, but they shouldn't have to be JAGs either.

It's a thin margin between winning and losing. Luck is a factor in every championship season. I can go through the Patriots 6 rings and show you a TON of lucky moments for them, starting with Brady's fumble in the snow against the Raiders. Similar bizarre stuff happened in many other championship years for them too.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846648)
We lost those games because no one got open before Pat had to scramble or otherwise pull it down. You can watch him raise the ball, then pull it down on multiple snaps, sometimes more than once during a single play, because our role players couldn't get open in time. Now, yes, that's because those guys get paid too, but it's also because JAGs rarely get open vs. good defenders.

And I mentioned Thielen last season during the IND circus GDT, so I'm aware that he's a likely target for Veach. At least he's probably a better overall WR than JJSS, but the difference isn't much, if any.

You can also see a wide open RB in the flat on most of those. But keep dreaming. And MVS got them for 6/116 and a TD when it mattered. Our number one offense sucks, and we need to throw.money and picks at DHop. You win.

chiefforlife 03-09-2023 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846674)
You can also see a wide open RB in the flat on most of those. But keep dreaming. Our number one offense sucks, and we need to throw.money and picks at DHop. You win.

Not sure why you are getting so riled up about this.

No one is saying our #1 offense sucks. Everyone including Mr. Veach, Andy and Patrick will say, theres always room for improvement.

Getting Hopkins is a long shot, we know that but it would certainly be an improvement.

We dont have to sacrifice all of our young guys to do this either, we just saved a shit load of cap space on our LT. This is a unique opportunity to get a true #1 WR at a very reasonable salary.

Megatron96 03-09-2023 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846674)
You can also see a wide open RB in the flat on most of those. But keep dreaming. Our number one offense sucks, and we need to throw.money and picks at DHop. You win.

Look man, this isn't a pissing contest. I'm not mad at you, and I really see no reason for you to be angry with me. We simply have opposing points of view. Hell, I'm not even being an ass to you, bud. I've poked a bit of fun, but that's it.

Here's my final thought on this: I just don't believe in the idea that the best course is to surround Pat with the least talented weapons that money can buy. In no part of my life's history have I seen that work for an extended period of time, mostly because no one does that. Buy the best you can afford, and you can probably afford more than you think, as one of my mentors used to say.

If we're on a budget, fine. But then maximize the value. Forget JJSS/Thielen/Parris. Combine those resources and get one great player. Or two good ones. Or even just one good one. Especially if we aren't signing OBj to some massive overpriced contract. Get one real weapon, even if it isn't DHop, so Pat has something more than a handful of pea shooters, that's all.

Maybe then we can beat CIN in the regular season as well. And we won't need Skyy to pull a last minute great return out of his ass in the playoffs.

It's just a thought, bud.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 09:26 PM

It's not going to happen, and I've explained in the most reasonable terms possible the myriad of reasons why. You guys have fun.

chiefzilla1501 03-09-2023 09:28 PM

Dude you gotta stop with this nonsense that we’re worse with a WR1. Or that our stalls with tyreek is proof of that. Mahomes evolved as a qb. He’s not going back to hero hall. The chiefs planned to bring back tyreek and have juju with him - they probably add Pacheco and Watson too. They likely get the same dominant year out of Jet. Do not act like tyreek with an actual running game and with WRs clearly better suited for efficiency than mecole, drob, Pringle wouldn’t absolutely slay.

I’m fine with losing tyreek but I’m tired of hearing the overdone myth that we are better off without that kind of talent.

Now… back to reality. We get away with worse WRs because kelce is flat out dominant and we cannot put the entire game on his back. People seriously understate how big a loss that is if kelce misses time or regresses. Juju is NOT going to carry us without kelce. Secondly, our defense was flat out dominant late in the season and it is going to get harder and harder to expect that. We HAVE to lean our offense more than we lean on balance. We annihilated cincy on defense and yet barely eked out a win after yet another lukewarm second half vs them. We looked awful against buffalo earlier in the year. Our offense still looks flat against the chargers and broncos. I know our offense was great but people need to recognize that it’s actually capable of being better. Way better.

That doesn’t mean you panic. I don’t know if DHop is healthy enough or if he’s regressed too much. But who in their right mind doesn’t think that if he’s anywhere near his prime level that this offense wouldn’t be flat out unstoppable?

chiefzilla1501 03-09-2023 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846692)
It's not going to happen, and I've explained in the most reasonable terms possible the myriad of reasons why. You guys have fun.

You keep saying it’s not gonna happen and yet we PLANNED to give tyreek big $s. We traded two thirds for Toney. Yet we still pursued obj. And these rumors seem to point to the chiefs legit going after DHop. If the chiefs had no interest in a WR1 why are they one of the top contenders for so many WR1 moves?

And Reid obviously would not even entertain these kinds of ideas if he didn’t believe this made our offense much better. We are very much interested but we wisely aren’t going to give in to absurd demands to get it.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16846697)
Dude you gotta stop with this nonsense that we’re worse with a WR1. Or that our stalls with tyreek is proof of that. Mahomes evolved as a qb. He’s not going back to hero hall. The chiefs planned to bring back tyreek and have juju with him - they probably add Pacheco and Watson too. They likely get the same dominant year out of Jet. Do not act like tyreek with an actual running game and with WRs clearly better suited for efficiency than mecole, drob, Pringle wouldn’t absolutely slay.

I’m fine with losing tyreek but I’m tired of hearing the overdone myth that we are better off without that kind of talent.

Now… back to reality. We get away with worse WRs because kelce is flat out dominant and we cannot put the entire game on his back. People seriously understate how big a loss that is if kelce misses time or regresses. Juju is NOT going to carry us without kelce. Secondly, our defense was flat out dominant and it is going to get harder and harder to expect that. We HAVE to lean our offense more than we lean on balance. We annihilated cincy on defense and yet barely eked out a win after yet another lukewarm second half vs them. We looked awful against buffalo earlier in the year. Our offense still looks flat against the chargers and broncos. I know our offense was great but people need to recognize that it’s actually capable of being better. Way better.

That doesn’t mean you panic. I don’t know if DHop is healthy enough or if he’s regressed too much. But who in their right mind doesn’t think that if he’s anywhere near his prime level that this offense wouldn’t be flat out unstoppable?

Perhaps I've been unclear. Paying a big cap number plus draft capital dictates that you must get value for the investment. It also means you go lean in other areas. If you pay all of that for a guy, you need to get a return. This price is unwise, in my opinion, considering the guy is over 30 and finished the last two seasons on IR.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter, and just about guarantee you will not see Hopkins in a Chiefs uniform.

jerryaldini 03-09-2023 09:36 PM

Plus it would be a blast to watch Mahomes with that kind of talent to throw to again, and let him put up insane numbers. Let's make these prime Mahomes years as good offensively as they can be. Also takes pressure off the OL.

dlphg9 03-09-2023 09:37 PM

Dude, I'd take Parris Campbell in a heart beat. 4.31 speed and has been on a bad team. Only thing I don't like is the injuries in years 1-3, but last year he played in every game. I love the speed.

Campbell at 4.31
Toney at 4.39
MVS at 4.37
Skyy at 4.41

Draft another burner and we are good to go at WR. Pacheco is a burner as well. Speed speed and more speed.

Chris Meck 03-09-2023 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16846705)
Dude, I'd take Parris Campbell in a heart beat. 4.31 speed and has been on a bad team. Only thing I don't like is the injuries in years 1-3, but last year he played in every game. I love the speed.

Campbell at 4.31
Toney at 4.39
MVS at 4.37
Skyy at 4.41

Draft another burner and we are good to go at WR. Pacheco is a burner as well. Speed speed and more speed.

The straight speed was why I think he might still have some upside, but better football minds apparently know that he's just a jag and basically Juju, so what do I know?

chiefforlife 03-09-2023 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16846705)
Dude, I'd take Parris Campbell in a heart beat. 4.31 speed and has been on a bad team. Only thing I don't like is the injuries in years 1-3, but last year he played in every game. I love the speed.

Campbell at 4.31
Toney at 4.39
MVS at 4.37
Skyy at 4.41

Draft another burner and we are good to go at WR. Pacheco is a burner as well. Speed speed and more speed.

Id be down with that too! What is he expected to get on the open market?

Megatron96 03-09-2023 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16846712)
The straight speed was why I think he might still have some upside, but better football minds apparently know that he's just a jag and basically Juju, so what do I know?

To parrot Alibaba, he's never broken 1,000 yds. What I mean by that is that in four years he only has 933 yds to his credit. Less than 250 yds per season average. Now, that's a bit misleading (here's where i deviate from the AllaBabba narrative), because in 2022 he caught fire (kind of) and snared 63 balls for 623 yards and 3 TDs, in 16 games played.

For comparison, DHop went 717 yds with 64 catches and 3 TDs. In 9 games. Receiving passes from four different QBs, three of which have no business starting an NFL game.

Parris averages 3.0 catches/game.

36.6yds/game

6.8yds/tgt.

5 TDs in four years

So, maybe I'm wrong, but that looks like JAG to me. Certainly, if i were AB, I'd be telling you he's as good as DHop, if not better.

RunKC 03-09-2023 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16846705)
Dude, I'd take Parris Campbell in a heart beat. 4.31 speed and has been on a bad team. Only thing I don't like is the injuries in years 1-3, but last year he played in every game. I love the speed.

Campbell at 4.31
Toney at 4.39
MVS at 4.37
Skyy at 4.41

Draft another burner and we are good to go at WR. Pacheco is a burner as well. Speed speed and more speed.

The just added John Ross on a futures deal. 4.22 speed.

Possible Hardman replacement

dlphg9 03-09-2023 10:14 PM

It's amazing that people don't see a problem giving up draft picks and paying a guy that'll be 31 when he;

Missed multiple games with a hamstring injury in 2021

Blew out his knee just a few games after he got back from the hamstring injury

Missed the first 6 games of 2022 because he was steroid boy

****ed up that same knee that he blew out in 2021 and missed the final 2 games of the season.

This happens literally all the time in the NFL. These guys bodies break down and it's clear as day that is what is happening with Hopkins.

You guys want to bring up all these guys that had good careers after turning 30 and you know what's different between those guys and Hopkins? Those guys didn't get injured. They all stayed healthy.

Jerry Rice - missed almost the entire season at age 35, but no injury history outside of that.

Tim Brown - only injuries were in his 2nd season

Jimmy Smith - missed 4 games in one season, but healthy in all the others

Charlie Joiner - missed 7 games at age 35. Healthy in the rest.

Irving Fryar - healthy

Terrell Owens - missed 9 games at age 32, but pretty much healthy all other years.

Rod Smith - Healthy

Marvin Harrison - missed 11 games at age 35 and retired after the next season, but pretty much healthy.

Steve Smith - missed 9 games at age 36 and retired next year, but pretty much healthy.

Tony Gonzalez - healthiest mother****er known to man

That's the top 10 in receiving yards after age 30. I went through 25 of them and none of them had anywhere close to the amount of injuries and games missed as DHop. What's more likely is that he's going to go the route of Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, AJ Green, T.Y. Hilton, Dez Bryant, Antonio Brown. All guys that were top 10 WR at one point, but got hurt and/or age caught up to them and they sucked right around 30.

Megatron96 03-09-2023 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16846735)
It's amazing that people don't see a problem giving up draft picks and paying a guy that'll be 31 when he;

Missed multiple games with a hamstring injury in 2021

Blew out his knee just a few games after he got back from the hamstring injury

Missed the first 6 games of 2022 because he was steroid boy

****ed up that same knee that he blew out in 2021 and missed the final 2 games of the season.

This happens literally all the time in the NFL. These guys bodies break down and it's clear as day that is what is happening with Hopkins.

You guys want to bring up all these guys that had good careers after turning 30 and you know what's different between those guys and Hopkins? Those guys didn't get injured. They all stayed healthy.

Jerry Rice - missed almost the entire season at age 35, but no injury history outside of that.

Tim Brown - only injuries were in his 2nd season

Jimmy Smith - missed 4 games in one season, but healthy in all the others

Charlie Joiner - missed 7 games at age 35. Healthy in the rest.

Irving Fryar - healthy

Terrell Owens - missed 9 games at age 32, but pretty much healthy all other years.

Rod Smith - Healthy

Marvin Harrison - missed 11 games at age 35 and retired after the next season, but pretty much healthy.

Steve Smith - missed 9 games at age 36 and retired next year, but pretty much healthy.

Tony Gonzalez - healthiest mother****er known to man

That's the top 10 in receiving yards after age 30. I went through 25 of them and none of them had anywhere close to the amount of injuries and games missed as DHop. What's more likely is that he's going to go the route of Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, AJ Green, T.Y. Hilton, Dez Bryant, Antonio Brown. All guys that were top 10 WR at one point, but got hurt and/or age caught up to them and they sucked right around 30.

Why on Earth would you bring up the steroid thing? THat's not an injury.

go Google DHop's games missed due to injury. He's played in 145. Out of a possible 160.

dlphg9 03-09-2023 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846727)
To parrot Alibaba, he's never broken 1,000 yds. What I mean by that is that in four years he only has 933 yds to his credit. Less than 250 yds per season average. Now, that's a bit misleading (here's where i deviate from the AllaBabba narrative), because in 2022 he caught fire (kind of) and snared 63 balls for 623 yards and 3 TDs, in 16 games played.

For comparison, DHop went 717 yds with 64 catches and 3 TDs. In 9 games. Receiving passes from four different QBs, three of which have no business starting an NFL game.

Parris averages 3.0 catches/game.

36.6yds/game

6.8yds/tgt.

5 TDs in four years

So, maybe I'm wrong, but that looks like JAG to me. Certainly, if i were AB, I'd be telling you he's as good as DHop, if not better.

Colts were the 30th worst offenses in the league and 27th by yards. Cardinals were 21st in pts and 22nd in yards. Cardinals also threw the ball the 4th most in the NFL.

When Hopkins was healthy or not being suspended for steroids he was being force fed the ball. 96 targets in 9 games and Campbell only had 91 targets in 17 games. It was Hopkins lowest yards per reception of his career.

I'd take Campbell at 26 years old, won't cost draft picks, and will only cost $8 mil a year.

This argument doesn't matter anyway, because Veach isn't going to get a 30+ year old coming off 2 seasons in which he had 2 season ending injuries.

dlphg9 03-09-2023 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16846742)
Why on Earth would you bring up the steroid thing? THat's not an injury.

go Google DHop's games missed due to injury. He's played in 145. Out of a possible 160.

IDC that he was healthy when he was young. I care about that he's had 3 significant injuries in 2 years now that he's old.

When bringing up those other guys I meant they weren't injured later in there careers. Sure they might have missed some games in the first couple of years, but they were healthy after age 27.

Bring up the steroid thing because he was using it for a reason. It's banned for a reason.

mnchiefsguy 03-09-2023 10:38 PM

DHOP got busted for PEDS last year and is 30.....he was taking PEDS for a reason.

Hard pass for me, but if Veach does it then he has his reasons and he has earned my trust.

I don't think he wants to commit that much cap to a 30 yr old WR though.

chiefzilla1501 03-09-2023 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 16846750)
DHOP got busted for PEDS last year and is 30.....he was taking PEDS for a reason.

Hard pass for me, but if Veach does it then he has his reasons and he has earned my trust.

I don't think he wants to commit that much cap to a 30 yr old WR though.

One thing to consider is that a veteran on a short term deal, like thielen or DHop, are two guys you can bring in without breaking the bank on bandaid deals. You can sign guys like these and work like hell to find a wr in the draft of value market who will hopefully put these guys out of a job sooner rather than later.

bigjosh 03-09-2023 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 16846750)
DHOP got busted for PEDS last year and is 30.....he was taking PEDS for a reason.

Hard pass for me, but if Veach does it then he has his reasons and he has earned my trust.

I don't think he wants to commit that much cap to a 30 yr old WR though.


Its common practice to use PEDs for recovery.


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dlphg9 03-09-2023 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 16846768)
Its common practice to use PEDs for recovery.


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Especially, when youre old and need that little extra boost because your body can't keep itself healed without the roids.

It's also not common practice, because a lot more guys would be getting popped for it.

dlphg9 03-09-2023 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16846757)
One thing to consider is that a veteran on a short term deal, like thielen or DHop, are two guys you can bring in without breaking the bank on bandaid deals. You can sign guys like these and work like hell to find a wr in the draft of value market who will hopefully put these guys out of a job sooner rather than later.

DHop isn't cheap though. Thielen would be though if that's an option.

Rainbarrel 03-10-2023 05:16 AM

This fanboy, masturbate at the water-cooler, signing names on the verge of brokedickism. Is so Al Davis & not Burp Snatch

dtrain 03-10-2023 08:06 AM

To everyone stating D Hop is a broke dick I'm pretty sure before any trade is consummated he will be given a thorough physical and maybe even worked out. I have no doubt after seeing the Veachanator not over pay for OBJ and Clark that he wouldn't get into a bad contract in this situation.

Balto 03-10-2023 09:36 AM

I really don't get the hate by Chris Meck and others for Hopkins. We can of course have our own opinions if he is washed, not as good as MVS and JuJu and such.

BUT even last season when he came back from suspension he looked great. Have the Hopkins haters gone and watched any playback from this past season?

I keep seeing....Hopkins will cost so much. His cap for next season is like $19M. You cut/trade MVS and don't resign JuJu and you would actually be saving money going Hopkins over MVS/JuJu.

I think thats what Veach is thinking. Reid himself said that BOTH Toney and Moore will have much bigger roles this upcoming season. If true, and why would Andy lie, that plays perfectly inline with going after Hopkins!

Last season MVS and JuJu both had about 66% snap count with Justin Watson coming in 3rd with about 43%. Now with Reids quote about Toney and Moore having bigger roles that means more snaps. Who's snaps go down with Toney and Moore taking more? Just makes perfect sense that Veach/Reid go after a guy like Hopkins that takes 70% of snaps while Toney/Moore are your #2 and #3 wide receivers. Could easily keep Watson and what ever rookie Veach drafts.


Hopkins
Toney
Moore
Watson
Rookie/One of the IR or practice squad guys from last year.

Over

JuJu
MVS
Hardman/Toney
Watson
Moore

I think this is a much better WR group with a Elite #1 and perfect #2 in Toney over JuJu and MVS.

Well what about cap? Like I said MVS saves $7M if cut/traded.....JuJu is reported to be getting $12-$15M. Now who knows, JuJu could agree to $10M but I think $12M is the low end and will probably get offered more by another team. So MVS $7M+ JuJu $12M = $19M....exactly what Hopkins will cost. Even IF Hopkins wants a new deal that means that Veach can turn that $19M into something even lower! Cap won't be an issue and have no impact on other things Veach wants to do! In my mind its Hopkins for MVS/JuJu and I 'm more than ok with that because of the fact Toney and Moore are moving up and CHEAP!

Makes to much sense not to happen!

chiefzilla1501 03-10-2023 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16846777)
DHop isn't cheap though. Thielen would be though if that's an option.

DHop wouldn’t cost much. I’m not crazy about giving up picks if the goal is to develop his replacement. Thielen could be a great fit.

RunKC 03-10-2023 09:43 AM

I don’t think we’re in on this unless Brown Jr comes back. They will probably want to keep their picks for a potential trade up for LT assuming that they don’t find that option this month

BryanBusby 03-10-2023 09:44 AM

It's hard to see them on this no matter what happens to OBJ. I mean like if they did it I would be all let's ****in' go but not expecting it.

Balto 03-10-2023 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16847037)
I don’t think we’re in on this unless Brown Jr comes back. They will probably want to keep their picks for a potential trade up for LT assuming that they don’t find that option this month

I don't see Veach moving up far enough to get one of the top 3 tackles because of the cost. I see more of a #31 to mid 20's kinda thing. Like what Veach did with last year with McDuffie.

Pats got:
#1.29
#3.94
#4.121

Chiefs got:
#1.21-McDuffie

So Veach could use our #31 plus a 3rd and 4th to get up into the mid 20's to get his tackle PLUS send out that late 2nd for Hopkins.

Mile High Mania 03-10-2023 09:54 AM

My two cents... KC is in a nice position with Mahomes and he has the ability to make average WRs produce in that offense. I believe their success in the passing game will allow them to do really well without paying big $ for a 'star' WR as long as Kelce is there.

Kelce is 33 and 10 years in the league... no real signs of slowing down, but the window will start soon and KC needs to look 2-3 years down the road and prepare for life without him as the stud. At that point, if KC does not find the next great TE, then yeah they will need a stud WR.

I don't think they need to overpay for a WR right now, not sure I would be a fan of the getting OBJ or Hopkins unless the price were right. KC can find guys like MVS and JJS every year for a relative bargain. And, with Pacheco, he adds the dimension they've missed since moving on from Hunt.

Rainbarrel 03-10-2023 09:58 AM

The Super Bowl win with Juju and Toney just isn't good enough. I need to talk down to other team fans with more "names" to puff my chest about

Chiefshrink 03-10-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 16847052)
My two cents... KC is in a nice position with Mahomes and he has the ability to make average WRs produce in that offense. I believe their success in the passing game will allow them to do really well without paying big $ for a 'star' WR as long as Kelce is there.

Kelce is 33 and 10 years in the league... no real signs of slowing down, but the window will start soon and KC needs to look 2-3 years down the road and prepare for life without him as the stud. At that point, if KC does not find the next great TE, then yeah they will need a stud WR.

I don't think they need to overpay for a WR right now, not sure I would be a fan of the getting OBJ or Hopkins unless the price were right. KC can find guys like MVS and JJS every year for a relative bargain. And, with Pacheco, he adds the dimension they've missed since moving on from Hunt.

Excellent analysis MHM !! And there's the rub 'in bold'. IF Kelce goes down we really don't have a serious threat at WR in the red zone. Juju is coming along knowing the offense better but not quite there yet and Toney is just beginning. You make a great point about Pacheco BUT if Kelce goes down defenses will stack the box even moreso. I'm all for DHop IF he plays ball financially!!

carcosa 03-13-2023 02:28 PM

Does the Taylor signing make trading for Hopkins more or less likely???? Sound off in da comments

staylor26 03-13-2023 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16852875)
Does the Taylor signing make trading for Hopkins more or less likely???? Sound off in da comments

Neither.

Reerun_KC 03-13-2023 02:36 PM

Still a nope from me.

Chris Meck 03-13-2023 03:29 PM

That's a no from me, Dawg.

Megatron96 03-13-2023 06:47 PM

Now with the Taylor signing, instead of OBJ, there's a chance. Not much of one still, but now at least it's gone from complete fantasy to a long shot possibility. Especially if ARI comes down off their ridiculous idea that they can get a 2nd. The longer teams go without freaking out and overpaying WRs during this cycle, the more the door ajars for KC to steal Dhop.

dlphg9 03-13-2023 07:25 PM

I can find multiple examples of guys that got hurt at an old age and were never anywhere close to the same. I can find multiple examples of elite guys that fell off when they turned 30+. I can find multiple examples of 30+ year old receivers that continued producing at a high level for several years, but in all of those examples that player didn't have back to back season ending injuries at 29 and 30 years old. So here's an exercise for someone that wants DHop

Please find me an example of a WR who produced under those same scenarios. Guy that's over 30, so 31 or older and had multiple injuries between 27 and 30.

Also I keep reading that he had 700 yds in 9 games and how good he was, but how good was he really? Let's compare Hopkins and Juju from last year.

Hopkins

9 games - 96 targets/64 receptions/717 yds/11.2 ypc/3 TDs

Juju

16 games - 101 targets/78 receptions/933 yds/12 ypc/3 TDs

11.2 ypc is the worst of Hopkins career

Juju only had 5 more targets and greatly out performed the dude.

The only thing impressive is that Hopkins was able to fit in almost a full years worth of targets into 9 games. Hopkins numbers last year are the result of a shitty QB and no other person to throw the ball to. Hopkins led them in receiving and played just over half the season. Marquise Brown isn't a bad number 2, but he and Hopkins only played 4 games together.

This would be such an incredibly bad trade that I know it isn't even realistic. Brett Veach isn't a fan hoping a guy can come here and regain his former glory. He's extremely smart and a realist.

.

Megatron96 03-13-2023 07:30 PM

How many yards/receptions/TDs/etc. do you think JuJu would have if he were the one catching balls from 4 of the worst QBs in the NFL, instead of the best QB ever? Point being, JuJu basically underperformed in spite of having it as easy as he did in 2022.

Chiefshrink 03-13-2023 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16853619)
I can find multiple examples of guys that got hurt at an old age and were never anywhere close to the same. I can find multiple examples of elite guys that fell off when they turned 30+. I can find multiple examples of 30+ year old receivers that continued producing at a high level for several years, but in all of those examples that player didn't have back to back season ending injuries at 29 and 30 years old. So here's an exercise for someone that wants DHop

Please find me an example of a WR who produced under those same scenarios. Guy that's over 30, so 31 or older and had multiple injuries between 27 and 30.

Also I keep reading that he had 700 yds in 9 games and how good he was, but how good was he really? Let's compare Hopkins and Juju from last year.

Hopkins

9 games - 96 targets/64 receptions/717 yds/11.2 ypc/3 TDs

Juju

16 games - 101 targets/78 receptions/933 yds/12 ypc/3 TDs

11.2 ypc is the worst of Hopkins career

Juju only had 5 more targets and greatly out performed the dude.

The only thing impressive is that Hopkins was able to fit in almost a full years worth of targets into 9 games. Hopkins numbers last year are the result of a shitty QB and no other person to throw the ball to. Hopkins led them in receiving and played just over half the season. Marquise Brown isn't a bad number 2, but he and Hopkins only played 4 games together.

This would be such an incredibly bad trade that I know it isn't even realistic. Brett Veach isn't a fan hoping a guy can come here and regain his former glory. He's extremely smart and a realist.

.

I get your point. DHop has had only one decent QB ever throw to him and that was Watson. That tells you how good this guy is and can only imagine what a Mahomes could do for his career(He made Brian Hoyer look like a real starter). He still has decent mileage left on his wheels IMO. We still only have one feared threat in the red zone and that is Kelce. Throw DHop in there we score "every time" in the red zone. Now does DHop have the desire and aptitude to learn what Andy wants? Who knows?

New World Order 03-13-2023 07:38 PM

Just saw Hopkins at the Best Buy near Tiffany Springs.

He was bargain hunting in the $2 DVD bin.

Wisconsin_Chief 03-13-2023 07:39 PM

Jawaan Taylor’s cap hit this year is only 6 million.

Just saying.

Megatron96 03-13-2023 07:44 PM

As a group, the Chiefs WRs caught just 13 TD passes.

For the sake of comparison, DEN had 10, LAC had 14. ANd as we know, LAC's WRs were injured most of the season.

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LoneWolf 03-13-2023 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16853619)
I can find multiple examples of guys that got hurt at an old age and were never anywhere close to the same. I can find multiple examples of elite guys that fell off when they turned 30+. I can find multiple examples of 30+ year old receivers that continued producing at a high level for several years, but in all of those examples that player didn't have back to back season ending injuries at 29 and 30 years old. So here's an exercise for someone that wants DHop

Please find me an example of a WR who produced under those same scenarios. Guy that's over 30, so 31 or older and had multiple injuries between 27 and 30.

Also I keep reading that he had 700 yds in 9 games and how good he was, but how good was he really? Let's compare Hopkins and Juju from last year.

Hopkins

9 games - 96 targets/64 receptions/717 yds/11.2 ypc/3 TDs

Juju

16 games - 101 targets/78 receptions/933 yds/12 ypc/3 TDs

11.2 ypc is the worst of Hopkins career

Juju only had 5 more targets and greatly out performed the dude.

The only thing impressive is that Hopkins was able to fit in almost a full years worth of targets into 9 games. Hopkins numbers last year are the result of a shitty QB and no other person to throw the ball to. Hopkins led them in receiving and played just over half the season. Marquise Brown isn't a bad number 2, but he and Hopkins only played 4 games together.

This would be such an incredibly bad trade that I know it isn't even realistic. Brett Veach isn't a fan hoping a guy can come here and regain his former glory. He's extremely smart and a realist.

.

I hope the mods ban you from this thread.


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